Just the same, I was glad when, for his senior year, Jake proposed taking an English course at the local community college. Come September, he and a buddy drove to the college every Monday night and sat for three hours in English 101 — where they never once read a book. They watched movies instead.
Jake got an A- in the course.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2982899/Are-smartphones-making-STUPID-Googling-information-making-mentally-lazy-study-claims
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/feature-is-it-just-us-or-are-kids-getting-really-stupid/
New generations (born after 1997 or so) are going to be much dumber on average than older generations, and most of it is thanks to smart phones. Instead of reading a book, they'll play a simple phone game that initiates a positive loop in their monkey brain but stimulates their thinking not at all. Instead of learning to write properly, they use lol txt chat in Whatsapp as their primary means of communication. Instead of learning entire bodies of knowledge, they'll Google whatever they need; for example, instead of understanding why and how WW2 started, they'll just Google a specific piece of information about it. And then forget it. Even PC games have gotten ridiculously simple, requiring very little independent thought. The youngsters these days play CoD: 14 instead of Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear or Baldur's Gate 2. And even though the games are so simple a monkey could play them, there's still so much hand holding in them that it'd be insulting if everyone wasn't so used to it. They can't even use computers because they're so used to just pressing buttons without understanding what goes on in the background: OS's like Windows 8 have been moving this trend to the PC, simplifying everything. Now parents are the ones who know how computers work, when it used to be the other way around.
And schools are only making matters worse:
O tempora, o mores.
the best generation of kids were the ones around 2.000.000 BC, from there it goes only downwards.
Yes, they "thought" that because they did not understand those games. Are you telling me you don't understand those stupidly simple mobile games?
Our parents thought we were dumber because we played Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear or Baldur's Gate 2 on our PCs instead of playing outside.
Every gen thinks the younger one is shit.
only prehistorik kidz will get this
the only game that taught me anything useful was Typing of the Dead 1I am pretty sure there are many games that have positive effects on your fine motor skills and cognitive capacity, solving complex problems, solving them fast, creative thinking, planning et cetera. Also, video games taught me a lot of English, history and geography in a fun way. That said, I have always been drawn to complex video games, which current triple AAA development simply does not develop anymore.
all the remaining time I spent playing computer games is close to wasted - still better than watching tv or wasting it in other ways though. well maybe i got better reflexes, thats why some pedestrians are still alive and with unbroken legs.
I think that as with many things, some kids will be attracted to dumb stuff and others will be attracted to intelligent stuff, that doesn't change (or ever so slowly). Intelligent stuff never disappears. And if you look back, dumb people were just as dumb as they were today, but additionally did not have the tools to cope with it. In the meantime, society also evolved to require far more cerebral skills and far less physical skills than before.If only it worked like that. Tablets aren't a replacement for football, they're replacement for stuff like books.
So no, I don't think kids are becoming dumber, they just play some dumb game on the tablet instead of playing some dumb game with a ball. That makes them fatter, not dumber.
Related to the mouse experiment, the real problem nowadays is that our brains are designed for a hunter-gatherer environment and are actually very easy to please. Simple mobile apps, among other things, take advantage of this fact. It doesn't matter how intelligent someone is, their pleasure center still works the same way. Why read a book when they could be getting much more rewarding chemicals from pressing a couple buttons on a phone?
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Ive seen the Mensa group i visit, also dwindling away.. We used to have great discussions or contributed to scientific topics. But as of lately we gotten alot of new members, wich are not interested in putting their gifted minds into productive activities.... but rather play Magic the gathering card games all day.
Let alone the admission tests have been drasticly simplified.
Its always been the 2% , but the 2% of the newer generations score much lower then the older ones.
Related to the mouse experiment, the real problem nowadays is that our brains are designed for a hunter-gatherer environment and are actually very easy to please. Simple mobile apps, among other things, take advantage of this fact. It doesn't matter how intelligent someone is, their pleasure center still works the same way. Why read a book when they could be getting much more rewarding chemicals from pressing a couple buttons on a phone?
I'm currently replaying one of the best and hardest of the classic RPGs, Ultima VII from 1992 (through Exult), and looking at the Witcher 3 forums at the same time, except totalwarcenter probably the only modern, mainstream gaming forum I've occasionally glanced at, and it's a case study in how at least the consumer base have changed. I often gawk at the inane things some players find challenging or as 'broken mechanics' today.Your post reminded me of this video:
But there's also something about it among adults. Today's adults consume entertainment that would most likely be considered childish or stupid before the 1960-70s.
It's also pretty evident if you read classic literature, and compare the language use with most of today's popular literature, and remember that what we call the classics were at their time for popular consumption (though of course for a smaller market).
There hasn't been Dwarf Fortress or Aurora 4x in the 90s. Any kid growing up with this will get smart, autistic or most likely both.
the best generation of kids were the ones around 2.000.000 BC, from there it goes only downwards.
If only it worked like that. Tablets aren't a replacement for football, they're replacement for stuff like books.
while 90s was golden age etc etc bla bla.
Your expectation of dumb kids reading books suggests to me you haven't been near dumb kids much. Or at least not with the perspective to appreciate how dumb they really are.No, that is not my expectation. I am talking about averages here.
Unlike now where for the first time in human history it's a totally legitimate complaint and it's only a real issue this time around... in our lifetime... said every grumpy old man ever about the following generationsYour reading comprehension is as good as ever.
If only it worked like that. Tablets aren't a replacement for football, they're replacement for stuff like books.
HOw many of your age-mates read books on regular basis? I mean more than 2 or 3 per year.
My favorite food is glue.
You blame kids but look at who raised us? Not saying 100% of blame should be on parent but cmon. Also people are getting stupider because there is no competetion. No real life of death competition. Every large country is more or less peaceful and there hasnt been a real war in over half a decade. Your average person always becomes the lowest common denominator so if nothing forces them to fight to make themselves better then they never will
Your country is pretty much constantly at war with someone and yet it produced you, perfect example of dumb human. So much for your theory.
You blame kids but look at who raised us? Not saying 100% of blame should be on parent but cmon. Also people are getting stupider because there is no competetion. No real life of death competition. Every large country is more or less peaceful and there hasnt been a real war in over half a decade. Your average person always becomes the lowest common denominator so if nothing forces them to fight to make themselves better then they never willBlame's got nothing to do with whether kids are getting dumber or not.
The main reason why kids today are stupid is the fact that they lack concentration and passion to develop decent skills. Books got nothing to do with it. Reading books does not necessarly increase intelligence. Majority of books do not develop your brain. Only certain books do. I think one could get all the info and general understanding from Wikipedia about WW2 IF and IF one would just concentrate and bother to read a lot about it, instead of reading about a single event or fact. It doesnt matter if you throw a textbook or a smartphone filled with the same info infront of their face, if they dont want to read it and nobody is there to force them to read it, they will not read it and continue to be dumb.
Every gen thinks the younger one is shit.
And with that this thread should be already done. Or do you believe that old people thought that kids from the 80ies were smart? Or even looked smart?Because looks have nothing to do with anything? Why did "old people" think that "kids from 80s" weren't smart? Can you name the reason? If so, do you think that reason has any credibility? No?
Because looks have nothing to do with anything? Why did "old people" think that "kids from 80s" weren't smart? Can you name the reason? If so, do you think that reason has any credibility? No?Because what I did was generalizing a specific group of people based on a specific part of that group, which yet does not represent the whole group after all.
Instead of learning to write properly, they use lol txt chat in Whatsapp as their primary means of communication.
The youngsters these days play CoD: 14 instead of Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear or Baldur's Gate 2.That´s even better than the old grandpas saying that video games make "these kids" dumb, although they spent their whole life in front of TVs themselfes. Now we got old people claiming that video games back then were smarter than those of today.
Because what I did was generalizing a specific group of people based on a specific part of that group, which yet does not represent the whole group after all.No, it's nothing like that. You're completely avoiding my question and your answer has nothing to do with anything. Okay, you're generalizing, so what? What is the point of your "generalization"? How is it similar to what I said? I provide a reason for why kids are having a harder time writing properly, you provide nothing but a straw man about old people not liking how 80s people looked.
Generalizing.
It´s like saying
Why did you make a thread then when you knew the answer to this topic all along :/This is argument by assertion and you provide no reasoning to back it up, only circular logic.
The youngsters have always been stupid through the ages, it´s just the way they´re being stupid that changes.
I became dumber playing EU1 battle shitlord gankfest mode. Dear devs, pls apply the new map rotation made by Teeth, so some people could play siege (and not conquest) again. Thank you.
No, it's nothing like that. You're completely avoiding my question and your answer has nothing to do with anything. Okay, you're generalizing, so what? What is the point of your "generalization"? How is it similar to what I said? I provide a reason for why kids are having a harder time writing properly, you provide nothing but a straw man about old people not liking how 80s people looked.
This is argument by assertion and you provide no reasoning to back it up, only circular logic.
Instead of reading a book, they'll play a simple phone game that initiates a positive loop in their monkey brain but stimulates their thinking not at all.The average child (I repeat, average child) doesn´t really read books, maybe rather comics. Instead of watching TV a lot, they now toy around with tablets and smart phones. I have no idea yet if that is better or worse for them, since they´re now able to decide what kind of stuff they want to spend their time into. Could change to the better or the worse.
Instead of learning to write properly, they use lol txt chat in Whatsapp as their primary means of communication.This could actually become a problem, but it´s simply too early to fall to conclusions yet. We´ll have to wait and see if this affects the kids in their grammar and spelling.
They can't even use computers because they're so used to just pressing buttons without understanding what goes on in the backgroundthat´s why there´s stuff coming up like win8: it´s for "casual pc users". I know a lot of people who barely work with the pc and that´s why they can´t really get along with it. For people like us who use the pc nearly everyday it´s a trivial thing, but "casual users" can have a really hard time figuring their system out. So having an OS which is simple and similar to smartphones or tablets makes their work with it easier, they don´t necessarily have to understand it, they only want to know how to work with it and that´s it. Think of it like a car owner who wants a car because he wants to drive with it, but isn´t really interested in repairing all by himself (excessively spoken of course). They just use it for basic functions, not like an advanced working system like we do.
Just the same, I was glad when, for his senior year, Jake proposed taking an English course at the local community college. Come September, he and a buddy drove to the college every Monday night and sat for three hours in English 101 — where they never once read a book. They watched movies instead.And that´s just a shitty school :D
Nah, that's not true. Books, and especially books for very young children that you read to them are very healthy for your brain because you automatically start using your imagination.
the guys who basically got around a lot, had a lot of colorful people as friends, did a lot of different shitty summerjobs etc, had the best minds
Absolutely everything you do influences very young children.
I totally agree sure, at young age its true, books play a positive influence, but at some point most books wont. The reason im even debating is because I dont understand the general logic of books = smarts and imagination. Which, when I look at from my viewpoint is completely fucking false. Books do improve your mind, but only certain books, definately not most of them. My old schools principal couldnt keep repeating that enough. In my class the dumbest prick was somehow also the biggest bookworm. The ones who studied the most obviously got the best grades and the guys who basically got around a lot, had a lot of colorful people as friends, did a lot of different shitty summerjobs etc, had the best minds, that grasped logic with no effort whatsover. And they never read a single book. Now if they would have read a book once in a while, they would have been even smarter.
"Kids becoming dumber"Your mother is a prime example.
The OP is a prime example of that
Your mother is a prime example.
Your mother is a prime example.
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meh.
I´ll keep that in mind
Your mother is a prime example.
Incorrect, my mother is 54.That's funny, because the prime number I was thinking of when I wrote that was 53.
That's funny, because the prime number I was thinking of when I wrote that was 53.
Those kids are geniuses compared to us, playing a dead mod.
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Not mad, but kinda disappointed :/It's a hardball world, kid.
It's a hardball world, kid.
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There also seems to be a current of anti-intellectualism in modern popular culture. Anyone who've turned on the TV for 5 minutes will know what I mean.I don't know why anyone with a computer and internet access would even own a TV in this day and age.
I don't know why anyone with a computer and internet access would even own a TV in this day and age.
though I've lived a few years with another girl who had one and it drove me insane.