Just do something about that crap, there are like 8 xbowmen on eu1, with 30 players. Add power draw requirements to crossbows, or do ANYTHING so it doesn't turn into a fucking sniping simulator. People complain a lot about throwing, but I guess being able to camp and fight well in melee plus having a shield and the ability to wear an armor without a lot of penalties is way more game breaking.Carry a shield. Problem solved.
Its annoying when 2h spammers complain "Waaaa arrows kill me waaaa they must be unfair..."
Its annoying when 2h spammers complain
2h spammers
Shielders are fine. There are plenty of really good one handed swords/maces/axes, and the shield bashes are broken. But having lots of ranged players is really bad for the game.
Why did they put down EU4 on the first place? A non-ranged server was such a nice place to go...cuz it was empty all day, all week :lol:
Found it! Yes. Nerf xbows. :evil:
I cannot stand being shot by bolt chopping off 70-85% HP (if not one shot) by a guy standing still in his corner. Heavy crossbows with steel bolts do 82 pierce, seriously. 2H does twice less with cut damage. And save the arbalest, loomed stuff...
I have tried playing with a crossbow to make up my mind. It is too easy to use. Even with 1 WPF it is usable.
Honestly archers and throwers do need skills to make something. Crossbows require little skill and are way too powerful. The upkeep is a bit higher than average but nothing prohibitive.
Obviously the only thing that does not make them used by all is their boredom factor.
...THIS right here is why arbalest is not a viable option in the battle servers with low population. You can only shoot once maybe twice... which IF you are lucky might kill one person.that´s why I switch to 1h/practice shield when polupation is low, arbalest is a weapon for battles with 20+ population. The bigger the population on a server, the longer a round lasts, the more shots you can fire. With 20-, you´re more useful without slow xbows since the rounds are pretty short and you turn out to be more effective if you just run with your team and help it in melee.
...the only real problem with crossbow currently is being used as a side arm rather than a primary weapon, pure builds have few benefits (arguably no benefits) over hybrids.somebody take this quote, put a frame around it and put it at the top of a sticky thread, thank you. The worst example for those hybrids is currently a tincan str build with maul/heavy xbow/wooden bolts. Quite a successful no brainer build.
And this problem arose because bolt was made 0 slot
You should collect some actual facts about the class before getting frustrated and wishing for the class to be nerfed; the only real problem with crossbow currently is being used as a side arm rather than a primary weapon, pure builds have few benefits (arguably no benefits) over hybrids.
Dont nerf it... make it go through people with low enough armor an hit others, let it explode and deal Area damage... Let it spew fountains of blood forth upon the battlefield... JUST ... Dont ... NERF... iT!
If anything, Horses need a HP Buff.
Arbalest +3 with Steel bolts +3 is 100 (one hundred) pierce damage... Putting on heavy gear and beefing up IF does not change anything
There is no comparable way to do 80-100 pierce damages melee weapon.
I am not very good at this game, I rarely reach the top of the table score, and I quite don't care. I played with crossbow to make my opinion before judging (appreciate the diligence). I could have a K>D ratio with not too much because xbow is about camping.
I am not advocating a full damage nerf though. Crossbows should play their role of tincan opener after all. A reasonable bit with like normal bolts at 6 Cut and steel bolts at 1 Pierce (like bodkin arrows). I would see a higher upkeep (more frequent and more expensive, these are fragile toys), higher weight, unsheathable feature for the bigger ones.
And this problem arose because bolt was made 0 slot
The problem of crossbow is not so much the damage but the fact that everzone picked it up and now the first team to charge lose so everzone camps and shoots.
Just add a power draw requirement for crossbows aswell, it`s the only ranged class that doesnt have a similar requirement.
Having to go against shielders who can spam a pick or a military hammer after they shoot you to pieces is really annoying.
If anything, Horses need a HP Buff.
I dont know why im typing in my favorite colour... i thought it was against the rules.. but i guess not!Everyone pick a colour, some rainbow pride on the crpg forums! Perhaps more colours will widen the spectrum of the black and white thinking balancers!(click to show/hide)
The actual reason I type in purple has nothing to do with my favorite color or whatever you think I'm trying to do. It is really as simple as TurmoilTom and I, once upon years ago decided to start forum posting in color; I just simply never stopped and If it upsets you that is just an added bonus.
Imo, out of the 3 ranged classes, crossbows are the least deserving of a nerf.
You are kidding right? Full melee build 1h, 2h... Whatever the fuck you want to use plus the ability to 1 shot someone across the map, it's pretty lame. Also make them where not just any random can pick one up and shoot it, that is also bullshit. If you can't pick up throwing weapons or ride a horse with no skill in it, why pick up a 1 shot xbow and get lucky with it...When are you oneshotting people with any crossbow? I dont even one hit you with a headshot
You are kidding right? Full melee build 1h, 2h... Whatever the fuck you want to use plus the ability to 1 shot someone across the map, it's pretty lame. Also make them where not just any random can pick one up and shoot it, that is also bullshit. If you can't pick up throwing weapons or ride a horse with no skill in it, why pick up a 1 shot xbow and get lucky with it...
When are you oneshotting people with any crossbow? I dont even one hit you with a headshot
Shot by crossbow in-game => rage-post on forums
I don't play crossbowman and I dislike getting shot/targeted by them when I play. However, in my opinion it's throwers > archers > xbows
If xbow is so easy to play for you, good for you. It doesn't necessarily mean it's better than the other ranged classes, maybe you're bad at archery/throwing.
Can't fight for shit unless they are some crappy hybrid that does minimal damage, they then are not really much of a thrower...
Also when you play in strat it is even more of a pain in the ass, defenders all grabbing arbs that they should not be able to use because no skill in it and killing people 1 shotting them, not all the time but does happen. Should they also let people be able to pick up bows and throwing weapons and use those two? Nah
I can guarantee you that all of us would rather go 5 v 5 against a bunch of throwers or archers over xbow hybrid/whatever weapon they want to use build.
The point of crossbows has always been a weapon that can be used with minimal training.
is like saying today everyone can use a gun or a rifle without or with a minimal training
Need more xbow wpf to be a good crossbowman than you need to be a good thrower, and as a thrower the best throwing weapon is also the best melee weapon. You can even change immediately between throwing mode and melee mode, giving you loads of free (high-damaging) hits.
I can see how that is frustrating (though they don't one-shot), but strat is dead.
Not a chance, I'd take the xbows unless they're holding some sort of fort.
Against 5 archers => kited and dead
Against 5 throwers => kited and dead
Against 5 xbows => pray that they miss their bolt and then they're just a shittier melee build with a worse weapon. They won't be able to reload
#Murrica?
Requirements are not here for realism, they are here for the gameplay and for the game balance.
Maybe that's the problem. Maybe it's a misconception that everyone has to be a hero and have an equal chance 1v1. Maybe the mod is too balanced.
go play mercenaries or native if you don't want balance.
Against 5 archers => kited and dead
Against 5 throwers => kited and dead
Against 5 xbows => pray that they miss their bolt and then they're just a shittier melee build with a worse weapon. They won't be able to reload
You got archer and xbow backwards. Archers can't kite (try to make a 9 or 10PD build with any athletics). Xbows can kite - almost all of them as xbow requires mostly agility, not strength.
Currently all ranged is overpowered, archery being by far the strongest in terms of DPS and xbow arguably the weakest. Still I find xbows to be the lamest of the bunch due to the fact that they can have 9-10 athletics or a shield. Xbows don't really need to be nerfed, just give them some sort of requirement to slow them down a bit and then buff cavalry - the natural counter for any ranged.
xbows can only kite away but if you stay on them they won't be able to reload.
Then you have not seen Akbar and Veselov on EU1. They are the cRPG equivalent of Forrest Gump - if it wasn't for the fact that instead of just being adorable, they shoot you in the face.
xbows can only kite away but if you stay on them they won't be able to reload.
CHINASERF1 and CHINASERF2 say otherwise.
Here's my suggestion(after 22 gens as an xbower): Make Steel Bolts 1 slot again, nerf damage of regular bolts, and make the crossbow 2 slot. Increase the weight of arb/heavy xbow but give them a slight damage buff and also make them slightly more inaccurate to encourage more WPF dump into them.
I have to say I pretty much disagree with everything you just said except make them more inaccurate and encourage more WPF investment.
...agi crossbows...who can run like cheetahs...only if they´re carrying a normal crossbow or lighter crossbows and then they wouldn´t be a threat :lol: crossbows aren´t fast runners (anymore), unless they drop their xbow
only if they´re carrying a normal crossbow or lighter crossbows and then they wouldn´t be a threat :lol: crossbows aren´t fast runners (anymore), unless they drop their xbow