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Title: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 21, 2015, 10:53:22 am
Today I witnessed Jona banning a user for 1 hour in the dtv server. For leeching multiple times on multiple maps, he was reluctant at first and asked Rando to ask a different admin to do it. I'd like to bring up this point because Jona banned Saint for 4 hours due to one tk. Concluding line -

biased badmins.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: karasu on June 21, 2015, 12:43:45 pm
I find most intriguing the definition of leeching these days, specially when a server gets at max 20 players.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Macbeth3 on June 21, 2015, 02:51:24 pm
I find most intriguing the definition of leeching these days, specially when a server gets at max 20 players.

Leeching is leeching, no matter how many players are on the server. A leeching player is a player that only increases the amount of bots, and does not contribute to killing them.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: XyNox on June 21, 2015, 03:02:14 pm
Since you have access to banhistories as an admin, it may be that some people are already known to be repeated rule breakers ( including "secret" alts ), thus get longer bans. Also you never know what is going on in I chat between admins ingame that may lead to a ban decision. Without this insight some bans may appear erratic.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Sharpe on June 21, 2015, 03:14:01 pm
Since you have access to banhistories as an admin, it may be that some people are already known to be repeated rule breakers ( including "secret" alts ), thus get longer bans. Also you never know what is going on in I chat between admins ingame that may lead to a ban decision. Without this insight some bans may appear erratic.

What you're saying sounds reasonable, but please try to leave reason out of it. Jona is clearly a badmin for having banned best NA after teamhits and or teamkills.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: mcdeath on June 21, 2015, 03:49:23 pm
Wait, hold up, you mean to tell me that Jona actually banned someone? This is literally the first time I've heard of Jona actually banning anyone.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: karasu on June 21, 2015, 04:59:05 pm
Leeching is leeching, no matter how many players are on the server. A leeching player is a player that only increases the amount of bots, and does not contribute to killing them.

Oh believe it, you don't need to tell me that.  :lol:
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Jona on June 21, 2015, 05:13:24 pm
Salah_Huddin had a crystal clear record thus far. The only reason he was banned at all instead of simply being kicked was so that he couldn't instantly rejoin to continue leeching. Your butt buddy Joan had quite a muddy record.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: mcdeath on June 21, 2015, 05:14:29 pm
Salah_Huddin had a crystal clear record thus far. The only reason he was banned at all instead of simply being kicked was so that he couldn't instantly rejoin to continue leeching. You butt buddy Joan had quite a muddy record.

What are you talking about? Joan is a saint!
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: SP1N on June 21, 2015, 06:22:24 pm
What are you talking about? Joan is a saint!

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Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Tristan_of_Erzoth on June 21, 2015, 07:41:18 pm
Bias is something everyone haves and it is incredibly(read impossible) to avoid. The best way I have come up with to avoid it is delegate to people without bias. I try to not take any actions against people in my clan/strat faction to avoid "being biased for letting them off too easy" and avoid banning my foes to avoid "badmin getting rid of enemies". However this just makes you an admin who doesn't do shit and annoys the other ones by asking them to handle it.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Palurgee on June 21, 2015, 07:48:15 pm
yeah, the guy who Jona banned was salah_huddin, who I'm pretty sure doesn't even speak english so I doubt there was a bias there, but there was a conflict over some other guy who seemed to have not been contributing at all prior to salah_huddin being banned.

aka literally no bias here
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: mcdeath on June 21, 2015, 07:48:43 pm
Bias is something everyone haves and it is incredibly(read impossible) to avoid. The best way I have come up with to avoid it is delegate to people without bias. I try to not take any actions against people in my clan/strat faction to avoid "being biased for letting them off too easy" and avoid banning my foes to avoid "badmin getting rid of enemies". However this just makes you an admin who doesn't do shit and annoys the other ones by asking them to handle it.

Smoothrich was the best admin of all time. When he permabanned Kesh back in the day I fell in love.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Jona on June 21, 2015, 08:03:39 pm
but there was a conflict over some other guy who seemed to have not been contributing at all prior to salah_huddin being banned.

Right, I forgot about that. Rostam_of_Mithrim had recently retired and was kinda just chilling as a level 1 peasant while we were up against the latter waves of DTV, and as a result had a KDR of 0-4 or something. A select few people were saying he was leeching and yet every time I looked he was active and jumping round inside the fence (where someone should be if they can't do much else to contribute). I was getting flack from good ole Rando since Rostam was "in my strat faction and I was going too easy one him." A) He's not in my strat faction, as if that matters, and B) he wasn't deserving of any punishment, in my eyes. That is when I told Rando to take up the issue with any other admins in the server to see if it was "my bias" or simply the fact that no rules were being broken that was the reason he hadn't be booted yet.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Mae. on June 21, 2015, 08:19:00 pm
oh shut up, Jona has been doing fine. One of the only ones that made sense receiving adminship.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: karasu on June 21, 2015, 08:51:31 pm
In case of doubt, ban everything.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Nightingale on June 21, 2015, 09:01:56 pm
In case of doubt, ban everything.
That's what I do and I'm still around so i must be doing something right.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Kalam on June 21, 2015, 09:10:51 pm
Bias is inevitable. As anyone who used to be in old FCC could tell you, I simply overcompensated for it. Not the best reaction, but it suited me at the time.

If I knew you well, you could expect a harsher sentence.

Now, well, now I don't know who any of you guys are, so feel free to let me know when you need a third opinion. On top of that, we have log access, ban history, etc...things that we didn't have in the past.

This allows for more informed decisions.

Of course, that's what the NSA and FBI would tell you, too.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: HappyPhantom on June 21, 2015, 09:19:44 pm
On top of that, we have log access, ban history, etc...things that we didn't have in the past.

Well, some of us do...
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Nightingale on June 22, 2015, 01:22:50 am
Schoi I'm starting to believe you are biased against admins?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Rando on June 22, 2015, 02:50:27 am
Salah_Huddin had a crystal clear record thus far. The only reason he was banned at all instead of simply being kicked was so that he couldn't instantly rejoin to continue leeching. Your butt buddy Joan had quite a muddy record.

You purposefully ignored my complaints about Rostam_of_Mithrim leeching, because he's a part of your alliance.

Right, I forgot about that. Rostam_of_Mithrim had recently retired and was kinda just chilling as a level 1 peasant while we were up against the latter waves of DTV, and as a result had a KDR of 0-4 or something. A select few people were saying he was leeching and yet every time I looked he was active and jumping round inside the fence (where someone should be if they can't do much else to contribute). I was getting flack from good ole Rando since Rostam was "in my strat faction and I was going too easy one him." A) He's not in my strat faction, as if that matters, and B) he wasn't deserving of any punishment, in my eyes. That is when I told Rando to take up the issue with any other admins in the server to see if it was "my bias" or simply the fact that no rules were being broken that was the reason he hadn't be booted yet.

You successfully managed to tell me to "ask another admin" when I had no idea there was even another admin in the server, because the admins smurf far too fucking much.

1. He is in your strat faction, Wardens of the North. Don't give me some bullshit about how "durrr we split up ;^)" You're still closely allied, nothing has changed.
2. He was dicking around inside the fence doing absolutely nothing. After leeching over 4 rounds of max bonus from DTV, he could've easily grabbed a weapon and helped, but chose not to. Probably because he knew you wouldn't touch him.

I don't know why I bother continuing with this complaint, it's been proven time and time again that admins have absolutely no accountability for their actions in this mod. I don't feel like giving up, however.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 22, 2015, 02:52:02 am
Schoi I'm starting to believe you are biased against admins?  :rolleyes:

I am, nothing good has come out of them from my experience.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: gallonigher on June 22, 2015, 04:09:59 am
Those who can't do, criticize.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Jona on June 22, 2015, 04:20:36 am
Those who can't do, criticize.

Quote time? Quote time.

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Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do.

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Anyone can negatively criticize - it is the cheapest of all comment because it requires not a modicum of the effort that suggestion requires.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 22, 2015, 04:24:33 am
Those who can do, whilst others cannot, abuse and act upon emotions. Rather than common sense.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: StonedSteel on June 22, 2015, 04:34:24 am
Quote time? Quote time.

"everyones hates gingers, even other gingers" - some fuckin ginger
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 22, 2015, 04:35:38 am
"everyones hates gingers, even other gingers" - some fuckin ginger

Orange haired people are fine, but ginger ale fucking sucks.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Sharpe on June 22, 2015, 04:40:37 am

What if players are biased against admins? Would explain why admins are biased against players. Now heres the big mindfuck question. Do biased players make biased admins?
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 22, 2015, 04:49:36 am
What if players are biased against admins? Would explain why admins are biased against players. Now heres the big mindfuck question. Do biased players make biased admins?

Yes, because even an admin, is a player.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: mcdeath on June 22, 2015, 06:23:18 am
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Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 22, 2015, 06:56:23 am
Admins should be criticized for the things they do and the way they handle others.

I think there's a bit of a price that comes with authority, even if we are talking about something that's more akin to volunteering at the soup kitchen than CZAR OF CRPG.

But I also believe admins I like shouldn't be criticized because they're pretty good dudes. I pretty much only like pretty good dudes.

So can we all pack up this thread, lock it up, and get some Nashringa hate going on back at the feedback thread?

no fuku 9/11 swag
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Voncrow on June 22, 2015, 09:23:01 am
The funniest part is Rando complaining about a level 1 character leeching.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 22, 2015, 11:02:58 am
The funniest part is Rando complaining about a level 1 character leeching.

Apparently sitting on top of a rouncey with a lance and full set of gear is level one.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Rando on June 22, 2015, 12:28:56 pm
The funniest part is Rando complaining about a level 1 character leeching.

Already addressed that. He had been leeching for many rounds at max XP reward, plenty of levels to pick up a weapon and be useful. Fuck off if you're just going to disagree with me without even looking at the situation objectively, retard.

Also, Jona - great job throwing around irrelevant quotes to draw away attention from your shitty admining. This community gets what it pays for by allowing shit like this to slide.

"wahh stop being so negative!!! heres a quote 'if ur negative criticism UR DUM' hah gott'eem!!!! (+420 forum upvotes)"

Here's an idea: Stop giving players things to be negative about, and do your fucking job right. I tried real hard to think up something positive about the cRPG admins, but I can't come up with anything except for Nashringa - at least he pays for the ability to abuse his powers by working on the game in some technical way.

Regardless of all forum dickriders, ad hominems, and "dank memes", cRPG admins are definitely biased. Fine, be biased - it's only human. But have the guts to do your job properly anyways.

Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Sharpe on June 22, 2015, 12:57:04 pm
Already addressed that. He had been leeching for many rounds at max XP reward, plenty of levels to pick up a weapon and be useful. Fuck off if you're just going to disagree with me without even looking at the situation objectively, retard.

Also, Jona - great job throwing around irrelevant quotes to draw away attention from your shitty admining. This community gets what it pays for by allowing shit like this to slide.

"wahh stop being so negative!!! heres a quote 'if ur negative criticism UR DUM' hah gott'eem!!!! (+420 forum upvotes)"

Here's an idea: Stop giving players things to be negative about, and do your fucking job right. I tried real hard to think up something positive about the cRPG admins, but I can't come up with anything except for Nashringa - at least he pays for the ability to abuse his powers by working on the game in some technical way.

Regardless of all forum dickriders, ad hominems, and "dank memes", cRPG admins are definitely biased. Fine, be biased - it's only human. But have the guts to do your job properly anyways.

Fuck, let's just make you an admin, but then you would continue bitching about how you're the only righteous admin doing their job, and since you would be cRPG admin you would ultimately be biased.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Rando on June 22, 2015, 01:22:26 pm
Fuck, let's just make you an admin, but then you would continue bitching about how you're the only righteous admin doing their job, and since you would be cRPG admin you would ultimately be biased.

Tell us more, wise fortune teller Sharpe.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Voncrow on June 22, 2015, 01:23:39 pm
This community gets what it pays for by allowing shit like this to slide.
This is true.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Sharpe on June 22, 2015, 02:06:52 pm
Tell us more, wise fortune teller Sharpe.

You will transform from a 12 year old making a wish, into a 30 year old; life will be hard but through perseverance you can make it.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: gallonigher on June 22, 2015, 08:18:42 pm
Jona is doing absolutely fine; no better or worse than a dozen admins that came before him.  Why some of you choose to sit there stewing like idiots angry over nothing, I'll never know;  don't care.  It is what it is.  Now actually contribute to this community by building a bridge and getting the fuck over it.


Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Jona on June 22, 2015, 09:09:06 pm
Also, Jona - great job throwing around irrelevant quotes to draw away attention from your shitty admining.

I see no need to continue responding to you since you don't care to even read what I write. See this explanation:

Right, I forgot about that. Rostam_of_Mithrim had recently retired and was kinda just chilling as a level 1 peasant while we were up against the latter waves of DTV, and as a result had a KDR of 0-4 or something. A select few people were saying he was leeching and yet every time I looked he was active and jumping round inside the fence (where someone should be if they can't do much else to contribute). I was getting flack from good ole Rando since Rostam was "in my strat faction and I was going too easy one him." A) He's not in my strat faction, as if that matters, and B) he wasn't deserving of any punishment, in my eyes. That is when I told Rando to take up the issue with any other admins in the server to see if it was "my bias" or simply the fact that no rules were being broken that was the reason he hadn't be booted yet.

Which came before this tirade:

You purposefully ignored my complaints about Rostam_of_Mithrim leeching, because he's a part of your alliance.

You successfully managed to tell me to "ask another admin" when I had no idea there was even another admin in the server, because the admins smurf far too fucking much.

1. He is in your strat faction, Wardens of the North. Don't give me some bullshit about how "durrr we split up ;^)" You're still closely allied, nothing has changed.
2. He was dicking around inside the fence doing absolutely nothing. After leeching over 4 rounds of max bonus from DTV, he could've easily grabbed a weapon and helped, but chose not to. Probably because he knew you wouldn't touch him.

I don't know why I bother continuing with this complaint, it's been proven time and time again that admins have absolutely no accountability for their actions in this mod. I don't feel like giving up, however.

It's almost like I'm psychic and had an answer for all your accusations before you even typed them up, or you're just a broken record repeating the same things over and over thinking that you've won some e-argument by continually getting the last word. Either way, it's clear that there is no further use explaining myself to an illiterate. If you can come up with something new, that isn't completely made up, then maybe I will bother to come back here and make another reply.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Bronto on June 22, 2015, 10:33:43 pm
I'm biased against people who are biased. This entire thread is biased. Admins biased against players, players biased against admins. I think we should just remove all admins and players and just be able to log in and watch bots fight in spectator mode. Then we should make threads about how bot 1 is so biased against bot 2. Pick sides and then bring bot strategus into the argument. Biased bot clan 1 just totally item bombed biased bot clan 2's village and the biased bot admin didn't even do anything. Look at bot 2 leeching...he won't get banned because the admin is bot 22 and they both have 2 in their names. fucking biased. This biased action has to stop. Quit being biased.

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Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Rando on June 22, 2015, 11:04:52 pm
I see no need to continue responding to you since you don't care to even read what I write. See this explanation:

Which came before this tirade:

It's almost like I'm psychic and had an answer for all your accusations before you even typed them up, or you're just a broken record repeating the same things over and over thinking that you've won some e-argument by continually getting the last word. Either way, it's clear that there is no further use explaining myself to an illiterate. If you can come up with something new, that isn't completely made up, then maybe I will bother to come back here and make another reply.

Right, because being 0-4 and jumping around in a fence while making no attempt to help your team isn't being a leech. You didn't fucking explain anything, in my eyes you only spewed some diarrhea at me. Diarrhea that I will continue to ignore, because in my eyes, you should've taken action. "I didn't think he was doing anything wrong!" isn't good enough when it was plainly obvious to multiple people that he was.

I disagree with the way you handled the situation, that's the whole point of this. You're right, why do you bother responding to me? Just fuck off and let whoever keeps an eye over the admins make his decision. The sooner whoever that is comes in and drops a knowledge bomb on us all, the sooner I can abandon this thread and stop talking to all of you.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Gurnisson on June 23, 2015, 12:05:33 am
How helpful can you be to your team at that low level though? The best way to help is to stay alive to not lower the rewards, while avoid being afk as that's certainly leeching.

You also ask why he responds to you. You quote his posts, telling him how he's wrong. Why shouldn't he front his own views of the situation?
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: gallonigher on June 23, 2015, 12:08:05 am
you wouldn't see the point if it stabbed you in the eye
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Bronto on June 23, 2015, 12:53:05 am
you wouldn't see the point if it stabbed you in the eye

It's randohg so you'd have to stab both his eyes. He'd use the eye you weren't stabbing to see the point and then make a thread about how you missed both eyes.
Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: mcdeath on June 23, 2015, 01:16:19 am
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Title: Re: Biased admins?
Post by: Schoi on June 23, 2015, 07:19:09 am
Let's again get back to the main points, a full geared player on a rouncey holding both a lance, and a shield was afk leeching multiple times. That is proof he is not low level. A low level should not go afk, instead they should use a ballista, which he did not.

RandoHg? More like RetardHg amirite!

I don't need autism like this, try club penguin if you continue to make horrible memes. My autism is already enough for this thread. But seriously, whether someone has a bad ban record, or they do not. You should look at each player equally, if I tk someone, nobody gives a shit, if I leech, nobody gives a shit. If Saint tk's Jona, Jona gets mad and rage bans. If poophammer is a troll and tw's as an admin, nobody gives a shit. Tristan asked for an admin to deal with the original problem to avoid any biased punishment. Obviously, the wrong admin took the role.

I'm locking the topic, there is no need to continue shit posting in this mod if nobody and nothing will do shit. What's truly sad is Garry's Mod has admins under the age of 13 that better respond to events like this, and post like mature adults.