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Title: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Gnjus on May 01, 2015, 08:03:47 am
....and his style of posting, I love how he went full berserk lately, he broke all my records of a maximum number of insults, swear words and curses in a single post ages ago and continues to do so in his own special ways, he's fucking mad as a Hell Bovine and just now he's on the same level as Olwen and myself, something that he clearly wasn't all those years ago.
I reclaim this: http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/bloberyn/

...without any fear and yes: I say Krems are a bunch of moronic griefers too.
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Long live Bloberyn Martell and his appreciation thread !!!
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: pepejul on May 01, 2015, 12:59:58 pm
I love him for IRL reasons but I love krems in game more than him.

I think he's best cav with Royanss...

I love potatoes too.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: the real god emperor on May 01, 2015, 03:51:49 pm
Meh, he completely has my full support on the Krems issue, I don't care if they like trolling a lot but Fin should stop looking to the other side.

But bloberyn becomes a giant ass when it comes to discussing thing cus he think everybody except him are shits.

Heil oberyn
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Thomek on May 01, 2015, 08:33:43 pm
He is a great poet. Perhaps a little hard on Krems, although I am glad someone can translate the frustration into words.

Reminds me somehow a bit of this:

Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Prpavi on May 01, 2015, 09:45:41 pm
Oberyin is the greatest poet cRPG forums have seen, his posts make my day every time.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Falka on May 02, 2015, 09:23:14 am
....and his style of posting, I love how he went full berserk lately,

"Lately"??? I think he always was like that  :wink:

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Nah, he's like Sgt Dignam - or whatever his name was, the guy played by Mark WHalberg - from The Departed  :)
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: F i n on May 02, 2015, 02:33:08 pm
Meh, he completely has my full support on the Krems issue, I don't care if they like trolling a lot but Fin should stop looking to the other side.

But bloberyn becomes a giant ass when it comes to discussing thing cus he think everybody except him are shits.

Heil oberyn


Im not looking the other way you fucking ignorant cunt!
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Utrakil on May 02, 2015, 06:21:38 pm
No, you only state that if enough people on the server are breaking the rule at the same time it is all right.
this is even worse.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: the real god emperor on May 02, 2015, 08:25:13 pm

Im not looking the other way you fucking ignorant cunt!

Seriously dude, I am not playing anymore but I can understand the frustration of people, I am aware that the game is not fun anymore and only way of enjoying it is to troll somehow but you can't just keep disregarding the enjoyment of people who likes being a tryhard , I know you are only trolling each other , not third party people but it still fucks the game up and ruins everyone s game experience except you , meaning no offense but you guys are one of the several reasons i quit cRPG

Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Gnjus on May 02, 2015, 10:39:13 pm
This is Bloby appreciation thread so please keep it civil have a go at each other as if you were the man himself !
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Leshma on May 03, 2015, 12:02:07 am
Go suck a dick Gnjus, you're not the one who helped the butterfly come out of his cocoon :P
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Admerius on May 06, 2015, 12:24:56 am
You're dismissing a very important aspect of this situation out of hand just like any spoiled brat would. You're dimwitted attempt to praise Oberyn is surely not appreciated, leading by example doesn't mean he wants blind followers, but then again you are all just a bunch of immature insincere imbeciles.

Let's make this absolutely clear, I'm not judging "you" I'm judging your actions, <-- I'm certain you will ignore that. This will most likely turn out as a e-peen contest about who can insult the other and win over the rest of this so called community. I won't participate any further in this thread unless you start making sense and deal with the subject matter at hand.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: [ptx] on May 06, 2015, 01:04:08 am
Only an insincere, ignorant, anglo-centric and hypocritical imbecile-cunt could dislike Oberyn.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Tagora on May 06, 2015, 06:42:35 am
Oberyn was always a loud reactionary.  I remember getting xenophobic flames pm'd to me years ago.  When he visits NA it's actually pretty beautiful.  You get to watch this Frenchman relate to USA rednecks on a diverse number of subjects such as A) anti-multiculturalism, B) anti-multiculturalism, OR C) anti-multiculturalism.

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Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Gnjus on May 06, 2015, 08:31:21 am
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Oberyn was always a loud reactionary.  I remember getting xenophobic flames pm'd to me years ago. 

It's hard to believe that piTagora......Bloby was always a gentleman when it comes to ladies, hell - he's French after all, you know: slimy manners, "quality" wine, Paris at night, french kissing, je t'aime and all that stuff.......  :wink:
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Oberyn on May 06, 2015, 10:33:03 am
As a "loud reactionary", I would get along perfectly well with "brown" people (I'm going to guess Heskey means muslims, and being an ironically racist dumbass calls thems "brown"). I mean, I've yet to see any people as openly, unashamedly reactionary and conservative as the average muslim. Not even the farthest right wing christian neo-reactionary is anywhere as plainly honest about it. Talk about feminism? Degenerate western idiocy that is killing their families and countries, Islam will cure it. Abortion? Oh my, more degeneracy. Homosexuality? Don't even get me started. The real fun part comes when talking about jews. So many of them are basically fucking neo-chocolate chip cookies on the subject, spouting decades old "jews control the entire world and banking system crap", thinking the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is some sort of historical document. The average muslim is basically the flip side of the western reactionary, they are much, much closer than you think.
 Heskey, do you really think they vote Labour because they side with leftist dogma on these issues? Or because of one very specific issue, namely immigration? Can't fucking wait until they become an innevitable majority and naive cuck stains such as yourself finally get their eyes open. It's almost as if I didn't give a shit about their "race", just their culturally backwards bullshit. Of course Heskey knows absolutely nothing about me, it pleases him to call me a white supremacist because in his retarded fucking mind only an evil racist could ever be against noble Islam enriching our inferior western cultures. Just like Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a racist kkk grandmaster.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Molly on May 06, 2015, 10:47:50 am
Praz Oberyn!  :lol:
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Tagora on May 06, 2015, 10:50:00 am
For someone who says they've never read Soumission...
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Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Oberyn on May 06, 2015, 10:55:26 am
Maybe it's far enough away from you that the only possible way to reach these conclusions is through abstract intellectual endeavours such as books, but this is just my fucking reality. Even fucking "élite" muslims who come to France to study in the Grandes Ecoles are blatantly open about it, much less the average ghetto racaille. I don't need a fucking book to reach these conclusions, just years of personal anecdotes and experience.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on May 06, 2015, 11:00:44 am
As a "loud reactionary", I would get along perfectly well with "brown" people (I'm going to guess Heskey means muslims, and being an ironically racist dumbass calls thems "brown"). I mean, I've yet to see any people as openly, unashamedly reactionary and conservative as the average muslim. Not even the farthest right wing christian neo-reactionary is anywhere as plainly honest about it. Talk about feminism? Degenerate western idiocy that is killing their families and countries, Islam will cure it. Abortion? Oh my, more degeneracy. Homosexuality? Don't even get me started. The real fun part comes when talking about jews. So many of them are basically fucking neo-chocolate chip cookies on the subject, spouting decades old "jews control the entire world and banking system crap", thinking the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is some sort of historical document. The average muslim is basically the flip side of the western reactionary, they are much, much closer than you think.
 Heskey, do you really think they vote Labour because they side with leftist dogma on these issues? Or because of one very specific issue, namely immigration? Can't fucking wait until they become an innevitable majority and naive cuck stains such as yourself finally get their eyes open. It's almost as if I didn't give a shit about their "race", just their culturally backwards bullshit. Of course Heskey knows absolutely nothing about me, it pleases him to call me a white supremacist because in his retarded fucking mind only an evil racist could ever be against noble Islam enriching our inferior western cultures. Just like Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a racist kkk grandmaster.

On this, he's not totally wrong, a bit too much generalisation for my taste but the fact is that immigrants are often more conservative than the local conservative. However if the immigrants mix up with others and that their children go to school with others than migrants, in a matter of one generation, the descant of immigrants have the same opinions than most of the population and are not at all conservative like their parents were.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Oberyn on May 06, 2015, 11:03:51 am
Bullshit, who do you think is going to Syria by the hundreds? Who do you think is going to the mosques to get radicalized by wahhabist and salafi preachers from Saudia Arabia and Qatar? You think it's the recently immigrated workers who came here for a better life for themselves and their children? No, it's their children and grandchildren, the ones that have been for 2 or 3 generations already. It's insane arrogance to think your values are just so self-evidently right that merely being exposed to them guarantees automatic adherence. Not only is it arrogance it's just plain wrong.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 06, 2015, 11:24:07 am
Bullshit, who do you think is going to Syria by the hundreds? Who do you think is going to the mosques to get radicalized by wahhabist and salafi preachers from Saudia Arabia and Qatar? You think it's the recently immigrated workers who came here for a better life for themselves and their children? No, it's their children and grandchildren, the ones that have been for 2 or 3 generations already. It's insane arrogance to think your values are just so self-evidently right that merely being exposed to them guarantees automatic adherence. Not only is it arrogance it's just plain wrong.

No, it is not wrong. He didn't say that every Muslim of 2nd or more generations becomes a western values saint. There are examples of muslims changing their moral views, but I agree they are sadly too few.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Xant on May 06, 2015, 11:28:56 am
I know a Muslim who's an engineer and very "not-physical" in every way, despises violence and in general is very mellow and crap, the last guy you'd think of when someone says "terrorist." He was asked as a joke in a bar (because of his appearance and how he carried himself) what he'd do if a guy (can't remember who it was, one of the cartoonists I think) walked in through the door, and the Muslim guy got very uncomfortable but said that he'd have to at least try to kill him, because of the fatwa.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Gnjus on May 06, 2015, 11:41:08 am
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...while Bloby types posts like this is exactly how I imagine a poetry in motion would look like......  :wink:




Btw piTagora why do you have that anorexic chick for your avatar, if I may ask ?  :twisted:
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Admerius on May 06, 2015, 11:43:09 am
Hear Hear!

I just want to point one flaw out in your confrontational argumentation style, Oberyn. It is not suited for internet forums such as this. The level of proficiency and terminology you apply here can easily, and wrongly, be generalized to "xenophobia, racism, misogynism etc. etc. etc." by the average forum visitor.

With that said... I find it hard to disagree with any of your statements that I've read the last year or so.

The "loud reactionary" part I agree with, and I put myself in the same camp, perhaps not the "loud" subcategory ;)
In this case however i choose to interpret the reactionary part as wanting to go back to the enlightenment values, where we as a society accept or reject people based on their expressed ideas/beliefs we do not tolerate everyone unconditionally. Before anyone misunderstands me completely, the focus should be on "ACCEPTANCE" and "NOT UNCONDITIONALLY" not on "reject people based on their expressed ideas/beliefs".

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IMO: This is not only Unacceptable in Norway, It's Un-TOLERABLE even criminal! <---Can anyone argue the case that this is a good example of "enriching western societies?"

We, as in liberal-minded people, are currently poisoned by relativism, turn the other cheek syndrome, Carrots and no sticks and all those modern self-delusional cultural redemption attitudes.

"We are the victims of our governments actions that makes us complicit in their actions. Anyone that has been wronged by us has the right to special treatment because they are victims. now look at me: am I not a good person for making myself a martyr for "justice and goodness"
This is going full retard and giving special treatment beyond what's reasonable, undermining the very values you want to stand for.

To all you extreme right-wingers out there who might want to claim this statement as reinforcing their point of view: This is a war of ideas. That means we stand and fall with our arguments and adopt those ideas that we were "defeated"(educated) by, so if you want to react violently go watch a football game and bash each other's brains out with the mantra: "My team best! You no good, I hit you for believing the same thing about your team as I believe about mine!"

In true rhetorical style I can't end on a complete downer: Counter extremism and "real" moderation by muslims for muslimshttp://www.quilliamfoundation.org/ (http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/)
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Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Prpavi on May 06, 2015, 12:37:06 pm
I know a Muslim who's an engineer and very "not-physical" in every way, despises violence and in general is very mellow and crap, the last guy you'd think of when someone says "terrorist." He was asked as a joke in a bar (because of his appearance and how he carried himself) what he'd do if a guy (can't remember who it was, one of the cartoonists I think) walked in through the door, and the Muslim guy got very uncomfortable but said that he'd have to at least try to kill him, because of the fatwa.

Best made up story 2015
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Siiem on May 06, 2015, 12:46:19 pm
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Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Gnjus on May 06, 2015, 01:15:34 pm
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...this just gave me a good idea for a poll......  :wink:
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on May 06, 2015, 02:03:01 pm
Bullshit, who do you think is going to Syria by the hundreds? Who do you think is going to the mosques to get radicalized by wahhabist and salafi preachers from Saudia Arabia and Qatar? You think it's the recently immigrated workers who came here for a better life for themselves and their children? No, it's their children and grandchildren, the ones that have been for 2 or 3 generations already. It's insane arrogance to think your values are just so self-evidently right that merely being exposed to them guarantees automatic adherence. Not only is it arrogance it's just plain wrong.

Yep but that's the fault of shitty education in your country and putting all the muslims together in the same place, so they don't get integrated. Half of my muslims friends gave up islam at 18-21 years old, saying this is bullshit. And they were not only moderate muslims from balkan, some were also from afghanistan and pakistan. The other half that stayed muslims are still conservative on society matter but not more than any catholic.

But there is clearly a difference between muslims living in France and others. All of my muslims friends despise the one from France. They say the one in France are pretending to be strict and conservative but are huge hypocrite, it's alll about showing off. And that's the thing that happens when they are all put together at the border of the city. The go into big-dick competition between each other.

And yeah the preachers form Saudi Arabia are definetly a major problem. As religion are nothing but a tool to control the mind of people, western countries better be forming their own preacher just like they did for christianity rather than let saudi arabia do it.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Thomek on May 06, 2015, 03:42:48 pm
I agree with Brokar generally..

A few hundred islamists is not that great a number when muslim population in France probably numbers in the millions.

I'm not going to excuse them though, but you have to realize this is a problem of the masses and of politics. It's a matter of taking in too many, which in the case of France/Britain has to do with a past as colonial powers.

Countries that are not able to care for those they invite, just stash them in Ghettos, get what they sow. Same problem in Sweden, where the intellectual hypocrisy is staggering. They stash them out of sight, out of mind, appealing to "goodness" etc etc, while their own kids go to all white schools. It's completely retarded. I also first hand witnessed 2nd and 3rd generation muslim immigrants being completely cool kids. It mostly has to do with the environment they are brought up in. If mostly norwegian, they become practically norwegian. If mostly immigrant, they more often reproduce bad or incompatible attitudes.

I'm not for having super closed borders, but I think reducing immigration by 80% or so should be sustainable, and this is the important word: Sustainable. It's about treating both native and immigrant population with respect and dignity. Too often, most of the time, neither is the case.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Molly on May 06, 2015, 04:33:01 pm
Simple questions (and I guess you'll get the Noble Prize if you manage to figure it out :wink:):

What are we supposed to do with the thousands of people fleeing war and radical muslims to Europe just on a single weekend?

Personally, I don't think that anyone has the power to even reduce immigration when a huge region is riddled by war and terror. So, how will you reduce immigration?

Questions seem simple enough. The answers are probably the hardest thing to come by for next 1 or 2 decades.


On a side note: I agree with Brokar on the ghetto outskirts sentiment. Easily observable in Germany with the Turkish people. Those who grow up in well-mixed classes in school from an early age integrate just fine (mostly). Those growing up in a local region of the city with exaggerated 90% immigrants suddenly lack language and education, integrate barely.
For that simply observation I think blaming religion only or mostly is the actual dumb thing to do.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Admerius on May 06, 2015, 04:57:22 pm
Integration is the problem:

Solutions:
-Decrease immigration(be labeled: nat.socialist/racist/nationalist)
-Improve integration efforts so that it is more effective, and thus partly compulsory(be labeled: Close-minded/Anti-multiculturalist/Cultural Imperialist)
-Stuff them in ghettos and blame it on previous government's policies(Be labeled: Open minded/compassionate/a role model)
-Don't give a shit and mind your own business(Be labeled: nothing at all)

I say fuck party politics regarding this problem...
Party politics<Long term "National"(EU/World) interests

My idea of a good solution is to improve the integration process to that degree that it matches the immigration level. During this process a TEMPORARY cutback to the immigration MUST be done unless some billionaires want to donate to this effort. After all... it needs funding, but who wants to pay MORE taxes and at the same time not getting any real immediate benefits for themselves or their "financial kin"(their business/family/golf clubs etc.)?

I do love Oberyn, but from what I've read I don't know his exact stance on this.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Panos_ on May 06, 2015, 06:31:28 pm
Funniest thing is that you northener europeans think that you actually have a real immigration problem.

Everyday, 4000 immigrants "invade" Greece from the Turkish coast lines, with the blessing of the Turks of course, and they already cause way to much trouble here.

WhatS even funnier than my previous statement, is that the rest of the european nations, point their fingers towards Greece and Italy, because we don`t "treat" the immigrants nice, but when Greece wants to give european asylum to the aliens, the German government refuses it, and now Greece has more than 2 mil. aliens.

I don`t know, but if my country was attacked , I`d prefer to stay and fight, rather than flee...
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Molly on May 06, 2015, 06:50:53 pm
I agree that the current immigration policy of "They stay where they entered the EU" is bullshit.
That is leaving Greece and I believe Italy even more just alone with the issue. That is not okay.

Even distributing the immigrants equally all over Europe - maybe even by lottery - seems more fair to everyone involved than how it is handled now.
That is probably something Panos and I can agree upon.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: the real god emperor on May 06, 2015, 07:13:03 pm
Funniest thing is that you northener europeans think that you actually have a real immigration problem.

Everyday, 4000 immigrants "invade" Greece from the Turkish coast lines, with the blessing of the Turks of course, and they already cause way to much trouble here.

WhatS even funnier than my previous statement, is that the rest of the european nations, point their fingers towards Greece and Italy, because we don`t "treat" the immigrants nice, but when Greece wants to give european asylum to the aliens, the German government refuses it, and now Greece has more than 2 mil. aliens.

I don`t know, but if my country was attacked , I`d prefer to stay and fight, rather than flee...

Meh, we dont need visa to get on the aegean islands.Besides, everyday hundreds of Greeks are getting caught by coast guards :D
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Tore on May 06, 2015, 07:35:17 pm
I still don't understand the point of immigration. We don't need them and they don't need us. It's just a game, you might get to immigrate to an European country where you can work in an illegal workplace with your fellow countrymen for slave wages. Of course you want your children to be brought up by the same morals as you did, so you send them to a school with pupils from all over your home country where they learn your language, culture and morals. And then, where is the multiculturalism? Multiculturalism can only exist if the immigrant population is a very small and they assimilate to the main population. People will naturally seperate, just like the European immigrants did in America.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on May 06, 2015, 07:40:54 pm
Simple questions (and I guess you'll get the Noble Prize if you manage to figure it out :wink:):

What are we supposed to do with the thousands of people fleeing war and radical muslims to Europe just on a single weekend?

Personally, I don't think that anyone has the power to even reduce immigration when a huge region is riddled by war and terror. So, how will you reduce immigration?

Questions seem simple enough. The answers are probably the hardest thing to come by for next 1 or 2 decades.

What I would do but that is just day-dreaming:
As hope is the thing driving people to try to cross the border at the risk of their own death.

The EU should instore a lottery where you can gain an access to Europe with facilitated naturalisation (like a bonus, the naturalisation would not be granted). The price of a ticket would be approximately based on the price of what they would pay to smugglers (around 700 euro). The money would not be spent on smugglers and it would pay for a help to settle in their own country and to send back illegal immigrants. The chance of winning would be very small (less than those of successing with illegal immigration but there is no risk of dying). The ticket would be sold only near the area of crisis, so no migration movement. People can try it many times, so they have to work in their own country to pay it and eventually they settle where they work and decide to stop trying.

On the other hand, the reason immigrants try to go to Europe and not any other country in the world is because they receive better treatement in Europe. So those who would still be coming by illegal immigration would be put in jail while waiting for being sent back with the lottery money.

However this plan should be applied only to economic immigrants not war victims. There should be an international agreement on war victim where they are spread equaly in every country.

This is cold and harsh but as you said there is not many solutions. And however it will never be applied, too cold for any politician to propose it.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Siiem on May 06, 2015, 08:30:53 pm
...this just gave me a good idea for a poll......  :wink:

Well, you are bundle of sticks. my old friendgit
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Tagora on May 06, 2015, 09:31:52 pm
Maybe it's far enough away from you that the only possible way to reach these conclusions is through abstract intellectual endeavours such as books, but this is just my fucking reality. Even fucking "élite" muslims who come to France to study in the Grandes Ecoles are blatantly open about it, much less the average ghetto racaille. I don't need a fucking book to reach these conclusions, just years of personal anecdotes and experience.
He's hardly an intellectual.
Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Molly on May 07, 2015, 10:26:21 am
Whoa whoa whoa, leave Britain out of this. Cant comment on France because some of the descriptions here sound like an entirely different reality to anything I've ever seen in Britain.

There are a lot of immigrants from all manner of places in Britain, but if we're on Islam there's still not enough to even dent the native population (even in places like Birmingham). I posted the demographics elsewhere in response to the 'There are some places in Britain where non-muslims simply don't go' idiot Fox-news guy who later apologised for inventing facts, but we're still a predominantly Christian nation.

Integration works both ways, but it doesn't have to be a scary thing. In some parts of the country we're reaping the benefits of the tolerance of our forebears 20-30 years ago with all the sexy mixed-race girls around today, we don't get sexy mixed-race girls if we crack down on immigration or put them in slums/insular communities. Think of it as an investment.
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Title: Re: I love Oberyn.....
Post by: Kafein on May 07, 2015, 07:22:24 pm
Personally, I don't think that anyone has the power to even reduce immigration when a huge region is riddled by war and terror. So, how will you reduce immigration?

First off, the immediate solution to the immediate problem of people actually fleeing is not to bring them back to whatever they are fleeing from.

The solution to the long term matter of immigration is that it will largely solve itself with time. Differential growth has been running heavily against Europe for around 20 years now. We're already seeing emergent countries holding most of the flow of immigrants (think Arab Peninsula). That and the fact that a near absence of social security and regulations greatly helps making those countries resistant to the burden of immigration, much like the US in the 18th and 19th centuries.