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Title: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Nessaj on February 02, 2015, 01:13:53 pm
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Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Krex on February 02, 2015, 03:55:55 pm
TBH,thats not too special compared to what we have now.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Bittersteel on February 02, 2015, 04:00:32 pm
Is everything supposed to be special?
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Krex on February 02, 2015, 06:56:48 pm
Quote from: Bittersteel on February 02, 2015, 04:00:32 pm
Is everything supposed to be special?
Nah,but if they create an extra thread to show them off,I would expect it to be a little special.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Micah on February 02, 2015, 07:20:20 pm
I like the texture work on the helmets ... they look pretty lively :]
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: MeevarTheMighty on February 02, 2015, 10:50:01 pm
Nice colours, the mail seams under the arms and at the back of the leg are strange though.

The one at the back of the leg also leads me to wonder how he gets those leggings on, unless they're assembled ring by ring in situ.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Rico on February 03, 2015, 01:44:15 am
Quote from: Krex on February 02, 2015, 03:55:55 pm
TBH,thats not too special compared to what we have now.
omg amateurs

you have no idea how hard it is to make realistic colored metal textures, and this is just spot-on perfect

please, finish at least one item for any game before you spill such nonsense
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Leshma on February 03, 2015, 01:56:17 am
Like the quality of maile texture, dislike the fact its flat like in Warband. Like it is leather with maile print, not the actual ringed maile armor over gambeson.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 03, 2015, 02:13:35 am
The little nicks and scratches on the helmets are perfect. The body armor could use a little bit of wear and tear to match.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Teeth on February 03, 2015, 01:15:48 pm
Seems like the little nicks and scratches on the helmets are all perfectly diagonal, not that I find this an issue, I am just curious as to why that is? Can you not just draw a scratch in any direction?
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Krex on February 03, 2015, 05:37:39 pm
Quote from: Panuru on February 03, 2015, 01:44:15 am
omg amateurs

you have no idea how hard it is to make realistic colored metal textures, and this is just spot-on perfect

please, finish at least one item for any game before you spill such nonsense
omg,someone that dislikes my opinion,lets call zhe police...

bla bla,I can imagine how hard it is-trust me,Ive tried it before...they look very nice,thats true,but you didnt understand what I wanted to say: We already have similar ones in cRPG,so these arent "special" and i would like to see something that we dont have here already...

and,if you really want me too,I can sure create some crappy minecraft item for you when Im at my PC later...
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Rico on February 04, 2015, 01:15:00 pm
Quote from: Krex on February 03, 2015, 05:37:39 pm
We already have similar ones in cRPG,so these arent "special" and i would like to see something that we dont have here already...

The item selection in M:BG is gonna be more narrow than in cRPG anyways, because Asian items are most likely not going to be included (cf. weeaboo armors, ninja stuff, Da Song mod items, -dao family). Not saying there will be less items overall, but nothing will stand out like a sore thumb. In cRPG, Tydeus is already careful about the 15th-16th century policy. Zimke is even more concerned about historical accuracy.

Zimke makes insanely high quality models, but don't expect him to reinvent the wheel. I am happy with items that are high resolution, rich in detail and overall well-made. Filtering out stuff which doesn't fit makes the playing experience more consistent. If you want to see something you haven't seen anywhere before, take a closer look at the 360-combat system, how the physical weapon does the blocking rather than a matching attack/block direction combination and the Stronghold mode.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Golem on February 04, 2015, 05:05:28 pm
Quote from: Teeth on February 03, 2015, 01:15:48 pm
Seems like the little nicks and scratches on the helmets are all perfectly diagonal, not that I find this an issue, I am just curious as to why that is? Can you not just draw a scratch in any direction?
I believe it's because of the shape of the helmet. The scratches are in the direction the helmet would deflect the weapon.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Micah on February 04, 2015, 05:27:24 pm
btw, are those PBR textured models ?
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: matt2507 on February 04, 2015, 07:32:39 pm
Quote from: Rico on February 04, 2015, 01:15:00 pm
I am happy with items that are high resolution, rich in detail and overall well-made.

By this you mean that now you have your deadline to get a new pc, right ?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Rico on February 04, 2015, 07:38:08 pm
Quote from: matt2507 on February 04, 2015, 07:32:39 pm
By this you mean that now you have your deadline to get a new pc, right ?

 :lol:

Not yet :wink:
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Thomek on February 05, 2015, 10:44:09 am
Quote from: Micah on February 04, 2015, 05:27:24 pm
btw, are those PBR textured models ?

Everything we make, since late summer should be PBR. :) Also, zimke does textures, not so much models. Though textures also has a kind of shape to them in the form of normal maps, which can come from high poly models, other 2d tricks and/or both. Usually both.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Nordwolf on February 05, 2015, 11:34:02 pm
Never asked that question. are you going to have any norse/viking stuff?

I know they were on a decline in 13th century but they were still there. Also they share quite a bit of similarities with northern Rus states.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Nessaj on February 06, 2015, 03:48:18 pm
Quote from: Nordwolf on February 05, 2015, 11:34:02 pm
Never asked that question. are you going to have any norse/viking stuff?

I know they were on a decline in 13th century but they were still there. Also they share quite a bit of similarities with northern Rus states.

There's a few things on the drawing board, weapons & armor pieces that still persisted throughout the 13th.

More snippets from Zimke's book of faces account:

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Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: MeevarTheMighty on February 06, 2015, 11:07:21 pm
Are there plans to make heraldic versions of all of these items? Maybe with more pattern options than in c-rpg, so players can choose which elements of their arms are displayed and to some extent how.

eg. I'm blazoning a red donkey on a black and white background, my surcoat could be just black or just white or both of them as on the shield or as above but tiled, then I could have a big donkey or lots of little donkeys or no donkeys. Looking at knights arrayed in heraldic armour, they had quite a bit of artistic freedom, so it would be nice to see that in the game.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on February 07, 2015, 02:50:11 am
Quote from: MeevarTheMighty on February 06, 2015, 11:07:21 pm
Are there plans to make heraldic versions of all of these items? Maybe with more pattern options than in c-rpg, so players can choose which elements of their arms are displayed and to some extent how.

eg. I'm blazoning a red donkey on a black and white background, my surcoat could be just black or just white or both of them as on the shield or as above but tiled, then I could have a big donkey or lots of little donkeys or no donkeys. Looking at knights arrayed in heraldic armour, they had quite a bit of artistic freedom, so it would be nice to see that in the game.

I think this is a really good idea. Being able to customize your armor within the constraints of ~your heraldry~ or ~your king's banner~ would let people be unique while still pretty historically accurate. People love to customize the shit out of their little fighty sword man. Being limited by your heraldic icons/colors would also prevent people from making rainbow/porn/unrealistic banners like what has happened with crpg clan banners.

Obviously you want to have most of the armor done before you start making a heraldry system to slap onto the armor, but it would be awesome to see something like this show up in the finished game.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Nessaj on February 07, 2015, 07:34:32 pm
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Quote from: MeevarTheMighty on February 06, 2015, 11:07:21 pm
Are there plans to make heraldic versions of all of these items? Maybe with more pattern options than in c-rpg, so players can choose which elements of their arms are displayed and to some extent how.

eg. I'm blazoning a red donkey on a black and white background, my surcoat could be just black or just white or both of them as on the shield or as above but tiled, then I could have a big donkey or lots of little donkeys or no donkeys. Looking at knights arrayed in heraldic armour, they had quite a bit of artistic freedom, so it would be nice to see that in the game.

We have something around those parts in mind. It'll all be very simple and basic to begin with (if even implemented at Alpha, might just be some super basic thing), but otherwise that's about what we're thinking of, plus possibly having dyes for armor pieces, the latter is still on the drawing table.

For the end result, customization is going to be a big big feature for the game :)
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Nessaj on February 14, 2015, 02:29:40 pm
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Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Nessaj on February 16, 2015, 09:02:33 pm
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Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Jona on February 16, 2015, 10:14:47 pm
Quote from: Nessaj on February 16, 2015, 09:02:33 pm
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They call him... the mail man.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Micah on February 16, 2015, 10:42:59 pm
Looking sweet :D
I always loved the face mail helmets ... good job on not making them look like a penis head :x
Oh, and while we're at it ... Can we hope to see some cool female armors in not to far future too ? I mean, there where alot of real medival female warriors ... thats pretty much confirmed :3
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: 722_ on February 16, 2015, 11:12:40 pm
That helmet is badass
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Algarn on February 16, 2015, 11:27:12 pm
I actually can't wait for the oldmy old friends to meet again into MBG, put those armors on, and rebuild from ashes all the epicness of the massive cRPG battles at the time it had 200 players. I'm even ready to bet some armors will look like some current armors, and these players will recreate their old armor set  :)
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Micah on February 16, 2015, 11:49:26 pm
^so much this :D
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: pogosan on February 17, 2015, 12:03:57 am
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Krave on February 17, 2015, 08:41:06 pm
And lederhosen!
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Beauchamp on February 19, 2015, 06:12:44 pm
some parts (metal plates, helmets look great), some textile parts and especially chainmail (ultra clean) imho need a bit of additional touch.
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: Maestro on February 19, 2015, 06:15:49 pm
mail and clothes will be dirty if you fight or kill someone  :P
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Nessaj on February 28, 2015, 08:11:04 pm
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Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Prox on April 26, 2015, 01:57:19 am
The models and textures are all looking fabulous, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on April 26, 2015, 11:08:06 am
These look really good. The mangonel looks amazing.

Quick question, are you guys going to be supporting resolutions above 1080p?
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Guray on April 26, 2015, 01:29:45 pm
Are there going to be heraldic versions of these lances?
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Thomek on April 26, 2015, 07:20:37 pm
Quote from: Guray on April 26, 2015, 01:29:45 pm
Are there going to be heraldic versions of these lances?

Right now Zimke has made a selection of historical flags, but I'm pretty certain that down the road we will support heraldries in one form or another, since player and faction customization is important.
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Rebelyell on April 26, 2015, 09:44:25 pm
I hope you have place there for red cross
Title: Re: Armor Sneak Peeks
Post by: ArysOakheart on April 30, 2015, 10:04:33 am
Quote from: pogosan on February 17, 2015, 12:03:57 am
The armor I'm interested the most is straw hat. Please?

You could suck my dick and act like it was your original idea.
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Panos_ on April 30, 2015, 10:11:17 am
In Zimke we trust!
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: SayAttack on May 05, 2015, 09:27:22 am
why is there no flags and banners in crpg? naps have it, if im not mistaken
it will be great
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Imperious on May 06, 2015, 09:40:10 pm
Quote from: SayAttack on May 05, 2015, 09:27:22 am
why is there no flags and banners in crpg? naps have it, if im not mistaken
it will be great
EVEN i dont wanna think Krems have some thing like that :(  :cry: :cry:
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Thomek on May 07, 2015, 12:28:57 am
I also animated those flags that zimke made back in February:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/486399/flagtest_2015_20001-0062.avi (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/486399/flagtest_2015_20001-0062.avi)

For now they will be these simple (But simulated) looping animations. But eventually we want to have a more advanced system, perhaps incorporating wind direction and strength, and a very different way of animating them.

And they will of course not be all waving in sync like there. That's just from Blender as a test presentation. It works in game, but not imported yet though.
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: matt2507 on May 08, 2015, 01:06:37 am
Quote from: Thomek on May 07, 2015, 12:28:57 am
I also animated those flags that zimke made back in February:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/486399/flagtest_2015_20001-0062.avi (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/486399/flagtest_2015_20001-0062.avi)

For now they will be these simple (But simulated) looping animations. But eventually we want to have a more advanced system, perhaps incorporating wind direction and strength, and a very different way of animating them.

And they will of course not be all waving in sync like there. That's just from Blender as a test presentation. It works in game, but not imported yet though.

You can't use the physic engine for this ?
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Thomek on May 08, 2015, 01:24:39 am
Quote from: matt2507 on May 08, 2015, 01:06:37 am
You can't use the physic engine for this ?

Well thats the plan eventually, but physics in waving flags is not high on the priority list, so I made this so we have something in between. (Grass and trees moving are done with other tricks. Not physics.)
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Maestro on May 08, 2015, 09:44:07 pm
What happened to livestreams?
I would like to see the map
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Thomek on May 09, 2015, 01:29:54 am
Ok, I'll try to livestream to showcase new things. For 3 months I'll be "out of the loop" due to making my masters movie on my school. Still, If I can i'll try to livestream k? :)
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Maestro on May 09, 2015, 09:03:32 am
ok but announce day of streaming
Title: Re: Founder alpha tests starts today!!!
Post by: Rebelyell on May 11, 2015, 11:21:02 am
hue hue hue
Title: Re: Founder alpha tests starts today!!!
Post by: FleetFox on May 11, 2015, 03:19:52 pm
Quote from: Rebelyell on May 11, 2015, 11:21:02 am
hue hue hue

Damn it Bobby, you had me there  :lol:
Title: Pay attention to this or M:BG will be a huge failure
Post by: Moncho on May 11, 2015, 04:34:18 pm
Nice pics
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: MacX85 on June 28, 2015, 07:56:22 pm
A general thought about armor/player models:
it appears to me that the armor is too tightly fitting especially around the ankles and wrists. I think it should be way bulkier to look realistic.
You have to realize that they wore padding underneath the chain mail.

compare:
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and even more so:
http://medieval-crusader.de/Mittelalter/Ankleiden.html
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: Byrdi on June 28, 2015, 11:13:28 pm
Quote from: MacX85 on June 28, 2015, 07:56:22 pm
A general thought about armor/player models:
it appears to me that the armor is too tightly fitting especially around the ankles and wrists. I think it should be way bulkier to look realistic.
You have to realize that they wore padding underneath the chain mail.

compare:
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and even more so:
http://medieval-crusader.de/Mittelalter/Ankleiden.html

To me the "real versions" look a bit silly.
Also who cares about if something looks realistic or not. You don't see people in mail armour every day, no one knows what is realistic and not :D
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: MacX85 on June 28, 2015, 11:32:25 pm
Armor should look like armor and not like skin tight leggings. To me this is immersion breaking.
Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on July 23, 2015, 02:55:24 am
Quote from: MacX85 on June 28, 2015, 11:32:25 pm
Armor should look like armor and not like skin tight leggings. To me this is immersion breaking.

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Title: Re: Sneak Peeks [Lots of images]
Post by: MacX85 on July 23, 2015, 11:22:53 am
Quote from: WITCHCRAFT on July 23, 2015, 02:55:24 am
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Proves my point. Compare the ankle width.

Also this photo isn't even realistic. He doesn't wear any padding underneath the mail. A strike to the leg would simply break his bones.