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Title: Total War Attila
Post by: FleetFox on November 25, 2014, 12:24:13 am
This looks pretty damned cool if you haven't already seen it, kind of like what barbararian invasion was to Rome Total War back in the day.

Also the Viking Forefathers Culture pack where you can play as the Norse factions has sold it for me (obviously), cant bloody wait :) This and the new Warband viking DLC have got me sorted till the new vikings series 3 heh.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: lombardsoup on November 25, 2014, 12:25:30 am
I want to believe its not a Rome 2 copy and paste, desperately

Unfortunately reality is cruel.  At least family trees are back
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on November 25, 2014, 11:54:22 am
Looks cool? Really? After Rome 2? Fuck them. The fact they're making a copypaste of Rome 2 with a few features that were supposed to be in Rome 2 and charging full price of it, while Rome 2 was a broken piece of shit for a year after release, maybe more... fuck them.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Tibe on November 25, 2014, 12:06:04 pm
Rome 2 was such a giant flop. Theres no redemption for it. And offering gamefixes as full-priced dlc-s is just shameful dispray.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Leesin on November 25, 2014, 02:50:26 pm
This is to Rome 2 as what Napoleon was to Empires just on a much larger scale, except that this time they don't admit that and will sell this shit like it's a brand new game. I was massively disappointed when I saw this announced a while ago tbh, sure I'll play it but I am more looking forward to seeing what the Warhammer game they're working on is going to be like.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: FleetFox on November 25, 2014, 04:10:22 pm
While I say it looks cool, I'll probably wait to a decent steam sale in a years time.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Smoothrich on November 25, 2014, 04:17:59 pm
I still play Rome 2 a bunch. Its a much better game with all the patches and DLC content. Multiplayer matches are really fun and its decently balanced outside of chariot abuse that most people don't do but boy is it glorious to get 500+ kills per chariot and steamrolling entire infantry blobs with pullthrough abuse.

This game Atilla isn't even full price its 45 dollars I think. Bound to be 30 USD or less on cd key sites at launch. Using the fully patched Rome 2 as a foundation for a new era and all the new scripting they are doing will probably produce a much better product at release.

Yeah we all know Rome 2 sucked for 6 months but it got rushed out the door by Sega while needing a lot more work. Go play a campaign now if you don't believe me, they overhauled the pace of combat to be slower and more balanced, revamped all the buildings and economy trees, some modders make really high quality UI additions or unit packs to keep it interesting too but the base game is polished enough now that it's not necessary for total overhauls.

Give MP a shot too. Real fun battles without the AI bogging shit down by blob charging the center of your line, but even battle AI has seen much improvement and flanks or sieges properly.

CA makes great unique games and the amount of patching and support in Rome 2 over the past year or two has been impressive for what its worth.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Andswaru on November 25, 2014, 04:25:42 pm
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Yes, but after they promised us in a patch the siege combat was fixed and it was even worse than first time when sega made them dump it out of the door they lost me as a customer. I'll buy it on 75% sale if I ever actually pay them a cent for it, they owe me a game.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Smoothrich on November 25, 2014, 04:34:03 pm
Yes, but after they promised us in a patch the siege combat was fixed and it was even worse than first time when sega made them dump it out of the door they lost me as a customer. I'll buy it on 75% sale if I ever actually pay them a cent for it, they owe me a game.

Its all fixed now. Even shitty unwalled settlements the AI will hold reserves and block every useful chokepoint with holding units and maybe flank you with spares. Like the battle AI is better then ever in any Total War game, despite it breaking a couple patches ago. Shogun 2 still plays better though but its simpler. I gave up on Rome 2 for a year and barely played it on release but came back around the "Emperor Edition" rebranding which finished all the polish the game lacked. Give it a go on Grand Campaign mode Hard or Very Hard difficulty and you'll have fun.

Yeah it sucks that Rome 2 was real fucked up after all the hype and a lot of customers got burnt but CA turned it around with time and effort. Why I think they will get Attila right and are prob real eager to not disappoint their fans again.

Also, cd key sites! I haven't payed full price for a game in years with sites like Kinguin being legit and fast.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 06:57:55 pm
Yes, but after they promised us in a patch the siege combat was fixed and it was even worse than first time when sega made them dump it out of the door they lost me as a customer. I'll buy it on 75% sale if I ever actually pay them a cent for it, they owe me a game.

I'm with Smoothrich; the game was a broken mess upon release but they've sorted out most of the kinks now.  After the recent patches + workshop downloads, it's one of the best TW you can buy. 

(Oh, and here's a friendly tip for fighting on the walls because I hear how much it sucks) Select whichever units you have fighting on the walls and turn off their "fight in formation" button.  It helps a lot.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Sparvico on November 25, 2014, 07:11:46 pm
When did become even remotely acceptable for any purchased-product to be unusable at release on the thin promise of patches or after market changes? Why in gods name anyone would ever buy anything produced by SEGA or CA while they continue that kind of shoddy business practice is fucked.

I agree that Rome 2 is decent now, but CA and SEGA have been in a downward spiral with their Total War games for a long time now, the sooner you all stop supporting them the sooner they'll be forced to clean their act up. Or they'll stop making the games and someone competent will pick up the concept.

Literally since Empire they've been releasing betas as a finished product, it is not acceptable, they are a AAA game development studio, professionalism in their business practices is literally required. Or should be, were it not for all the people that are willing to take their shit.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Smoothrich on November 25, 2014, 07:48:09 pm
Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai is one of the best PC strategy games period and has the smoothest most polished gameplay of any Total War game and was released all functional and good. Rome 2 made everyone hyperbolic shitposting idiots yet admittedly was botched on release. But Rome 2's patches shows CA listens to the internet and will prob approach Attila with more accountability. I'll judge the game when its out not rant about a company's ethics over a buggy overhyped rushed release a couple years ago that they've ended up fixing and I now regularly enjoy.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 08:04:17 pm
When did become even remotely acceptable for any purchased-product to be unusable at release on the thin promise of patches or after market changes? Why in gods name anyone would ever buy anything produced by SEGA or CA while they continue that kind of shoddy business practice is fucked.


Uh... I'm not sure if you've noticed but every game publisher/developer is doing this; not just SEGA and CA.  It really sucks but if I refused to support any shady practices stemming from this business, I'd have like no games to play.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: lombardsoup on November 25, 2014, 08:12:15 pm
Uh... I'm not sure if you've noticed but every game publisher/developer is doing this; not just SEGA and CA.  It really sucks but if I refused to support any shady practices stemming from this business, I'd have like no games to play.

Main reason why I buy maybe five or so games a year, and pirate the rest.  Why should I reward bad business practices?

Hopefully CA gets their shit together, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on November 25, 2014, 08:25:36 pm
Uh... I'm not sure if you've noticed but every game publisher/developer is doing this; not just SEGA and CA.  It really sucks but if I refused to support any shady practices stemming from this business, I'd have like no games to play.
Nope. Just a few of the biggest, gayest ones that push out copy+paste games out every year.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Sparvico on November 25, 2014, 08:29:25 pm
Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai is one of the best PC strategy games period and has the smoothest most polished gameplay of any Total War game and was released all functional and good. Rome 2 made everyone hyperbolic shitposting idiots yet admittedly was botched on release. But Rome 2's patches shows CA listens to the internet and will prob approach Attila with more accountability. I'll judge the game when its out not rant about a company's ethics over a buggy overhyped rushed release a couple years ago that they've ended up fixing and I now regularly enjoy.

The problem is that it's one step forward and two steps back. Empire launched as a bug ridden beta, then they squeaked Napoleon by with minimal success. They learned from the mistakes of the Empire release for Shogun 2, but then promptly forgot just about everything for Rome 2, and now they are squeaking by Attila in a very similar way as Napoleon, all the features that should have been in Rome 2, with (maybe) less of the bugs. I just cannot understand how a company that doesn't retain a lesson past the next mildly successful release can maintain such a patient fan base.

Shogun 2 is a decent game if you enjoy extremely fast paced rock paper scissors type arcade strategy, and Fall of the Samurai is a great expansion on that concept, but a company must be judged on it's entire body of work, not just the one time they managed release something in a mostly finished state. On the whole CA has been on the decline in quality since they released Empire, and one mildly enjoyable game doesn't change that.

I put 3500 hours into Rome and Medieval 2, mostly because of mods (same reason I've put nearly 4000 in Warband by now), yet these new Total War titles can't even hold my attention long enough for me to finish a short campaign. The only redeeming factor that Rome 2 has going for it is the mod community, which CA only put in tools for because they knew they weren't going to be able to finish the game in time for release, and even after a year of patches would not be able to fully flesh out all the features and mechanics that should have been there from the beginning.

The only thing SEGA (and to a lesser extent CA) understands long term is sales; until Total War sales go down we're going to keep getting pretty lackluster (if not unplayable) games with a few gems sprinkled (accidentally) in the mix.

Uh... I'm not sure if you've noticed but every game publisher/developer is doing this; not just SEGA and CA.  It really sucks but if I refused to support any shady practices stemming from this business, I'd have like no games to play.

They really have you by the balls don't they? Tell me what is it like being a bitch?

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Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 08:33:18 pm
I guess I should've specified that every AAA publisher/developer is doing this.

And I'm the bitch because I actually enjoy what I payed for??  You're doing all the bitching here.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Sparvico on November 25, 2014, 08:46:12 pm
I guess I should've specified that every AAA publisher/developer is doing this.

And I'm the bitch because I actually enjoy what I payed for??  You're doing all the bitching here.

T'was only a joke ol' buddy. Though I do hope you bought that shit on a mega sale.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Lt_Anders on November 25, 2014, 08:52:26 pm
Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai is one of the best PC strategy games period and has the smoothest most polished gameplay of any Total War game and was released all functional and good. Rome 2 made everyone hyperbolic shitposting idiots yet admittedly was botched on release. But Rome 2's patches shows CA listens to the internet and will prob approach Attila with more accountability. I'll judge the game when its out not rant about a company's ethics over a buggy overhyped rushed release a couple years ago that they've ended up fixing and I now regularly enjoy.

I pay to play my games now, not 1 year from now, even if they are good 1 year from now.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 09:00:00 pm
T'was only a joke ol' buddy. Though I do hope you bought that shit on a mega sale.

I found the spoiler tag, now I feel a little bad; just ignore my last comment and downvote. 

I actually bought it on release, played it for like 2 weeks, got bored and a little disappointed, went a whole year without touching it while I played other games, booted it up a few weeks ago with new patches and hundreds of mods, now I'm quite content with it and I'm enjoying a campaign as Scythia atm.  It was a sound investment, that's the way I look at it.

Of course it would've been nice to have all that at the start but I've got it now and that's my point
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 09:03:44 pm
I pay to play my games now, not 1 year from now, even if they are good 1 year from now.

I apologize.  I had to

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Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Banok on November 25, 2014, 09:31:51 pm
Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai is one of the best PC strategy games period and has the smoothest most polished gameplay of any Total War game and was released all functional and good. Rome 2 made everyone hyperbolic shitposting idiots yet admittedly was botched on release. But Rome 2's patches shows CA listens to the internet and will prob approach Attila with more accountability. I'll judge the game when its out not rant about a company's ethics over a buggy overhyped rushed release a couple years ago that they've ended up fixing and I now regularly enjoy.

I agree with this, except I actually think shogun 2 main campaign with dlc >>>> fall of sam. but thats cause gun based total bores me.

I think Attila might be really good, but yeah I'm not pre-ordering after rome 2's release state.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 11:05:39 pm
I agree with this, except I actually think shogun 2 main campaign with dlc >>>> fall of sam. but thats cause gun based total bores me.

I think Attila might be really good, but yeah I'm not pre-ordering after rome 2's release state.

I would refrain from pre-ordering anything these days.  It's a marketing gimmick
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 25, 2014, 11:06:27 pm
*double post* accidently quoted myself
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on November 26, 2014, 12:04:24 am
*double post* accidently quoted myself
How could you.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 26, 2014, 12:59:40 am
when you try to modify a previous post but unknowingly select quote instead; irrelevant but since you asked.

Was that question legitimate?  I can't tell.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on November 26, 2014, 01:36:28 am
Meh will wait for it to come out as I have the last 2.

Fall of the samurai for me I didn't enjoy at all. Wasn't a fan of the pew pew to be honest. Thought it lacked depth and it definately (for me) had limited re-play value. I much preferred the Vanilla Shogun 2, as to me I could keep playing that for ages.

Napoleon was a joke and I could never understand how people could enjoy it. Empire was similar, I liked it, but it got boring after a while of using the same tactics time and time again.

The alst 2 TW games i've enjoyed is that of Medieval and Rome, so now i'm overly dubious about anything they can pull off now.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on November 26, 2014, 02:23:33 pm
Napoleon was a joke and I could never understand how people could enjoy it.
Shit singleplayer, great and balanced multiplayer.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 26, 2014, 04:49:27 pm
I'll probably end up getting it but it won't be on release.  I think it'd be smarter to wait a few weeks after the initial patches and maybe gauge everyone else's opinion first.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Nightmare798 on November 26, 2014, 04:51:53 pm
No ammount of DLC or expansions can save Rome 2 from being such a trainwreck it is.

Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: LordBerenger on November 26, 2014, 04:58:23 pm
I like Rome 2. It's good after patches. And mod to change it so all these mini vassal states nobody gives a damn about gets merged with Egypt, Rome, Seleucid Empire etc...


But Rome 1, Medieval 2 and Empire are the best TWs IMO.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Banok on November 26, 2014, 07:49:33 pm
I would refrain from pre-ordering anything these days.  It's a marketing gimmick

Your right, I didn't actually pre order it but I did buy it at release. Which is what I regret.

Even starting to regret buying ds2 now there is a GOTY version coming. Always better to just wait for all patches/dlc to come out.

Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: LordBerenger on November 26, 2014, 09:25:06 pm
Your right, I didn't actually pre order it but I did buy it at release. Which is what I regret.

Even starting to regret buying ds2 now there is a GOTY version coming. Always better to just wait for all patches/dlc to come out.

Wuts wrong with Dungeon Siege 2
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: gallonigher on November 26, 2014, 09:38:15 pm
I could be wrong but I think he means Dark Souls 2 goty
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Smoothrich on November 27, 2014, 09:05:21 am
No ammount of DLC or expansions can save Rome 2 from being such a trainwreck it is.

Funny how the opposite is actually true. Its a real fun campaign and multiplayer game now. Think of a bullshit gimmick army using things like elephants, scythed chariots, camping with pikes and artillery + archers on a mountain's narrow pass, and use it effectively in a multiplayer match with a teammate and you will lol hard.

Everyone assumes its still shit and all the fans are CA shills. Probably half true.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Nightmare798 on November 27, 2014, 06:07:28 pm
Funny how the opposite is actually true. Its a real fun campaign and multiplayer game now. Think of a bullshit gimmick army using things like elephants, scythed chariots, camping with pikes and artillery + archers on a mountain's narrow pass, and use it effectively in a multiplayer match with a teammate and you will lol hard.

Everyone assumes its still shit and all the fans are CA shills. Probably half true.

It did not deliver half of things it promissed. Even if you squash bugs here and there, this game is still dissapointment. CA needs to get a grip of themselves ASAP.

Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: darmaster on December 01, 2014, 05:23:39 pm
wow chill out, it's 1 bad game (S2TW) and a shitty game (R2TW), their still on the right rails imo, just going backwards. they'll come back with medieval 3 total war visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 and surely attila will be an extremely optimized rome 2 total war, which means it'll be good. i hope. :l
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Sparvico on December 01, 2014, 06:03:19 pm
wow chill out, it's 1 bad game (S2TW) and a shitty game (R2TW), their still on the right rails imo, just going backwards. they'll come back with medieval 3 total war visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 and surely attila will be an extremely optimized rome 2 total war, which means it'll be good. i hope. :l

Ye gawds the faith this one has. I cannot fathom.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Smoothrich on December 03, 2014, 09:16:27 am
wow chill out, it's 1 bad game (S2TW) and a shitty game (R2TW), their still on the right rails imo, just going backwards. they'll come back with medieval 3 total war visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 and surely attila will be an extremely optimized rome 2 total war, which means it'll be good. i hope. :l

Shogun 2 owns. I played the shit out of its Avatar Conqest MP and I miss it in Rome 2. Shogun 2's lack of unit variety and gimmicks and crap made it surprisingly balanced and competitive in a multiplayer game, and they had all sorts of grindy but fun hooks to keep leveling up your vets and general in RTS matches that didn't require macro'ing a base and unit production and shit that gets stupid and stressful.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Leesin on December 03, 2014, 05:37:34 pm
I liked Shogun 2 until guns ruined it lol. Total War Arena is the reason why they went back to their old basic Multiplayer modes.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Nightmare798 on December 03, 2014, 09:19:26 pm
I liked Shogun 2 until guns ruined it lol. Total War Arena is the reason why they went back to their old basic Multiplayer modes.

Well, one of the themes of shogun 2 is the death of traditions, including death of warfare traditions and of old martial arts. That is the way our world evolved over the course of our history.

Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: lombardsoup on December 03, 2014, 09:37:23 pm
I liked Shogun 2 until guns ruined it lol. Total War Arena is the reason why they went back to their old basic Multiplayer modes.

Hated Shogun 2 single player but loved the multiplayer to death, CA should have made a similar mode for Rome 2.  Arena is garbage, and so is that new Total War Battles tablet crap CA just announced.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Leesin on December 04, 2014, 01:00:53 am
Hated Shogun 2 single player but loved the multiplayer to death, CA should have made a similar mode for Rome 2.  Arena is garbage, and so is that new Total War Battles tablet crap CA just announced.

Yeah I played quite a bit of Shogun 2 MP, the singleplayer was pretty shite. I cant say Arena is shit until I get to play it myself
Well, one of the themes of shogun 2 is the death of traditions, including death of warfare traditions and of old martial arts. That is the way our world evolved over the course of our history.

Yeah I know, but it doesnt mean Fall of the Samurai didnt make the game shit for me personally, if I wanted to play Total War with guns I would play Napoleon. I got bored of waiting for matches without FotS armies.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Smoothrich on December 05, 2014, 07:39:05 pm
Hey if any of you scrubs wanna play some Shogun or Rome MP sometime hit me up on http://steamcommunity.com/id/Smoothrich (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Smoothrich)

I haven't played Shogun really in years tho and now that I'm not endlessly grinding MP games I still enjoy Rome 2's quick matches without OP retainers and crap. Just got the Black Seas unit DLC which has enhanced by "abuse Thueros Spears" meta with Picked Peltasts and elite Thueros Spears called Agema Spears. 420 throw javs every day
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Molly on January 19, 2015, 04:08:41 pm

I am very sceptic...
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2015, 05:10:41 pm
Why?
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Molly on January 19, 2015, 05:22:33 pm
I dunno... this whole horde idea seems just weird.
And there seem to be so many new tactical things in, it won't run on release. It just has to be a complete bug fest on release if former releases are any indication...
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Leesin on January 19, 2015, 06:20:39 pm
It's not really what I would consider a "fully new" TW game thus I don't expect it to be THAT buggy. Sure it will probably have some bugs but I doubt anything game breaking , it's being built on the foundations of Rome 2 which is actually a pretty solid now after all the patching they had to do to that, so they would have been able to focus a lot more on the new features they have added. It's going to be a far smoother release than any other of the major titles, more similar to what Napoleon is to Empires I imagine.

Still, personally I was hoping they were working on something else rather than this lol.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2015, 07:01:37 pm
Give us Medieval 3 Total War OR a World War 1-2 - Vietnam War Total War (could function like Company of Heroes during combat and Hearts of Iron but less complicated and easier learning curve during world map/non-combat part.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: darmaster on January 19, 2015, 07:21:45 pm
Medieval 3 and empire 2; that's all I'm asking, for now at least
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2015, 08:32:26 pm
Medieval 3 and empire 2; that's all I'm asking, for now at least

They should have all land available though. All continents and Islands. From whole America to Africa to Europe to all Asia to Australia etc...
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: darmaster on January 19, 2015, 09:02:42 pm
maybe for empire, yes, for medieval i don't really mind; i just love kicking pope's ass
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Christo on January 19, 2015, 09:17:16 pm
Mix Europa Universalis elements with Total War RTS combat.

Win.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on January 19, 2015, 09:32:44 pm
Napoleon Total War still has a multiplayer scene, and it's great.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: LordBerenger on January 19, 2015, 11:21:59 pm
Napoleon Total War still has a multiplayer scene, and it's great.

NTW is pretty boring. Only ONE good reason to buy it over ETW (besides some upgraded gameplay features) and that's the epic World War 1 Mod.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Molly on January 20, 2015, 09:45:20 am
Yes, Medieval 3 plix!
Wanted that even before Rome 2.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Xant on January 20, 2015, 10:20:57 am
NTW is pretty boring. Only ONE good reason to buy it over ETW (besides some upgraded gameplay features) and that's the epic World War 1 Mod.
NTW is boring in singleplayer, but ETW is a broken POS in multiplayer, while NTW has the most balanced, fun and skilled multiplayer out of any TW game. I did like ETW's SP campaign though, when it came out.
Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on January 21, 2015, 06:22:18 am
I hated NTW, just could not bring myself to enjoy it at all. Graphics were awful, gameplay was slow and the campaign map...fuck that.

Shogun 2 I thought was awesome even if the troops were practically the same. Wasn't a major fan of the fall of the samurai but it wasn't too bad.

Rome 2 is pretty decent now, actually really liking it, so I may buy Attila but medieval 3 or empire 2 would be amazing.

Title: Re: Total War Attila
Post by: Leesin on January 21, 2015, 01:40:09 pm
Medieval 3 and interested to also see what the Warhammer fantasy game is they will be making.