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cRPG => General Discussion => Topic started by: Hirschblte on January 08, 2011, 09:39:12 pm
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decided to write down results after 2 rounds, so 1, 2 are not complete.
- armor: Black Lamellar Vest, Leather Gloves, Leather Boots
- horse: Sarranid
- arms: hvy lance, plain cav shield
as you can see, all of it is pretty mediocre, except for the horse, maybe
start: > 11200 gold end: 7177.
1: lost; horse (1024) + more (idnr)
2: lost: horse (1024), black lamellar vest(?), long hafted blade(?) (dropped after this)
3: lost: horse (1024), heavy lance (239), plain cav shield (56)
4: lost: heavy lance (239), plain cav shield (56), leather gloves (14)
5: lost: leather boots (18), leather gloves(14)
6: WIN; horse(1024), leather gloves (14)
7: lost; horse(1024) [x2]
8: WIN; none
9: lost; none [x2]
10: lost; heavy lance (239), plain cav shield (56), black lamellar vest(?), leather gloves (14), leather boots (18)
11: win; none;
12: FREEZE of PC [x2]
i will continue until i am broke. i'd liked this mod so far and i just wear gear i enjoy, but it seems i can't afford my gear anymore; i am still wondering, though... is this working as intended?
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4% means 4%.
What are you complaining about? Need some money? Strip naked for one map.
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4% means 4%.
What are you complaining about? Need some money? Strip naked for one map.
Is this intended? I think neither my team nor i would have much fun, would they?
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I wrote it in suggestions and I will write it again. Current system is based to much on LUCK, U cant rely on unstable income which is based on luck, simple as that. I've been whining about upkeep and someone told me to chnage the armour from plate to lower, so I changed freaking armor to lamear and gues what, I nearly ended up as a broke. When I was lucky enough to have x5 miltiplayer for serveral rounds I could upkeep plate with result 0 so no income but no lose. Then I spent 3k on lamear armour and was unlucky to have modifier x1 for a long time and from 9.5k I have 700 gold left. It is not about if u can or can't upkeep ur items, its all about luck. Thats why i dont like the idea, being able to upkeep something is knowing how much I earn and how much I can spend, the problem is I never earn the same amout of money so how can we even talk about upkeeping?
What are you complaining about? Need some money? Strip naked for one map.
lol, advice of the year. So u suggest to me that I will run naked for about one hour to earn enough money to wear plates for another hour??? how does it differ from grindind now then??? I have more interesting things to do than runing naked and dying just to get some money. I dont play that much and it seems like I cant just enter for an hour have fun and log off like before...
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I think my set is medium as well and i don't even think about wearing a blade or ar helmet anymore (hope to reduce the chance), but even at medium you'll lose gold. I don't want an upkeep to support everything at max; i understand this intention; the problem is: it seems to support either a horse OR a lance, but not both. this is pretty strange.
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there needs to be some small bonus based on how Your actions helps Your team
like these
+damage done (biggest bonus based on amount of total dmg delivered)
+kills (small bonus)
+objectives taken / defended (medium bonus)
+VIP killed (small bonus e.g. owner of some castle from Strategus)
+highest rank enemy killed (small bonus)
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Stop losing so much?
Red tunic over mail, leather boots, mail guantlets, klappvisor, sarranid horse, lance, heater shield, nordic champ sword.
*edit for gear total*
48459g Gear cost total.
Over the course of around 30 maps yesterday averaging about 6 rounds per map I went from 32k to 43k. Today I've played 3 maps so far, averaging around 6 rounds per map and have made a 2k profit so far.
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Stop losing so much?
Red tunic over mail, leather boots, mail guantlets, klappvisor, sarranid horse, lance, heater shield, nordic champ sword.
*edit for gear total*
48459g Gear cost total.
Over the course of around 30 maps yesterday averaging about 6 rounds per map I went from 32k to 43k. Today I've played 3 maps so far, averaging around 6 rounds per map and have made a 2k profit so far.
how? there is no 'i' in 'team'. oh, and i would be interested in a data row like mine.
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lies or u just had incredible luck to have x5 multiplayer for a loooong time. Stop losing u say?? well, give me a power of jedi knight and I ensure u that my team will stop losing. Any other briliant adivces?
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Ok
Starting now (starting gold 43081):
*saved*
Round 1: x4m 4.5 mins (won) Repaired Red tunic over mail: 173g
Round 2: x5m 4.0 mins (won) Repaired Heater shield 153g
Map Change
Round 3: x5m 4.0 mins (lost) 0 repairs
Round 4: x1m 3.6 mins (won) 0 repairs
Round 5: x2m 4.1 mins (won) Klappvisor: 201g
Round 6: x3m 4.8 mins (won) Mail Guantlets 171g, Red Tunic over mail 173g
Map Change
Round 7: x4m 4.2 mins (won) Klappvisor: 201g
Round 8: x5m 4.8 mins (won) Heater Shield 153g, Leather boots 18g
Round 9: x5m 3.6 mins (won) Heater Shield 153g, Sarranid horse 1102g, Red tunic over mail 173g
Ending gold (current) 50576.
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thx.
*saved for 2nd row*
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Bump with 9 round data sheet. Going out for a smoke break.
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Thats a nasty losing streak Hirschblüte, but in the long run you should able to pay your bills, even with the long hafted blade as backup weapon.
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I suppose I should note that except for 3 rounds, ManOfWar_Takeda, Balboroth and I were on the same team all the time. :mrgreen: So that might be part of why the large winning streak was happening.
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As someone said, I don't mind upkeep but I woudn't mind seing it removed. Too lazy to switch gear, if there were one button to switch between gear combos maybe I wouldn't mind upkeep at all.
Also I think that all money we pay for upkeep (tax money) goes directly to chadz char so he can play as black armor tincan whenever he likes it and therefore have fun he said he didn't have before patch.
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there is something wrong with repairs because
i had N gold
enough to make all repairs
i repaired manually items
result
0 gold left
nothing repaired ...
bit sad ...
also 500 repairs on bow and 200 on each arrow ... ouch ...
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There is a way. All he has to do to is to remove time multiplier (minutes x 4% breaking chance) but then upkeep won't serve it's purpose and there would be even more tincans than before this patch.
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there is another problem in the damage system
you not die
you not get damaged
all your items become damaged ...
what the hell is this
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Please stop these useless threads. Look for old threads with all the math done, one guy even did a simulation of 1000 rounds, you don't need to play 7 rounds and post the results here, we have data of 1k rounds already. Results are:
Assuming you lose every round, you can afford 25k gold worth of equipment. If you have more at 1x, you lose gold. This is very simple math if you cannot do it (linear equation) then go back to school, don't waste your life on videogames without getting a proper education. Waste it later.
Assuming you win half the rounds you can afford 48500 gold worth of equipment.
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there is another problem in the damage system
you not die
you not get damaged
all your items become damaged ...
what the hell is this
If you don't get damaged you're a hiding leecher and that's your punishment. Otherwise it's simply logical to have battledamage whether you win or lose. Armor gets beat on, it'll need to be fixed.
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Please stop these useless threads. Look for old threads with all the math done, one guy even did a simulation of 1000 rounds, you don't need to play 7 rounds and post the results here, we have data of 1k rounds already. Results are:
Assuming you lose every round, you can afford 25k gold worth of equipment. If you have more at 1x, you lose gold. This is very simple math if you cannot do it (linear equation) then go back to school, don't waste your life on videogames without getting a proper education. Waste it later.
Assuming you win half the rounds you can afford 48500 gold worth of equipment.
something is wrong then cause i can even loose money with only <20k equip while winning half the rounds on siege ...
maybe the game should not pushing with repairs for
1. winning round with <25% damage
2. no death / damage obtained both win/loss round
3. round where you were teamkilled
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something is wrong then cause i can even loose money with only <20k equipemnet while winning half the rounds on siege ...
Siege is just terrible. I played on the siege server for about 2 hours last night and all it was is a constant drain of gold.
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so because we like the game mode we deserve this punishment :shock:
the system needs lot of fixing and tweaking that's all
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[quoteAssuming you lose every round, you can afford 25k gold worth of equipment. If you have more at 1x, you lose gold. This is very simple math if you cannot do it (linear equation) then go back to school, don't waste your life on videogames without getting a proper education. Waste it later][/quote]
I rly dobout. explain to mehow did I lose 6k wearing 12k worth armour?? Im playing a serius number of hours the same set and I made 4k so far as I was lucky to have the x5 multiplayer but still I have 2k lost. with such maths I cant upkeep plates not to mention buy one if I wouldn have one already. There is to much LUCK involved to play with upkeeping stuff...
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Upkeep is a nice idea :) realy. BUT cRPG is a game, and players (me too) enjoy playing what they LOVE, some like to play as a cav, some like to play as plate, some like to play as ninja, some are str player and some are agi player. Playing agi give more wpf, speed, parade rapidity and BY that do not need heavy armor, the way they play don't requiered body protection, their best protection IS their agi. For them, upkeep is not a problem..
BUT some players enjoy playing str char, who are slower, realy slower, do less dmg but are in front of melee, fight face to face with enemy, they strike 1 time when they agi friends strike 3 times.
THIS IS A WAY TO PLAY.
mail / agi build is good AS plate/str character.
Reducing the possibility for players to play with the stuff they worked hard for earning is stupid, let's PLATE COME BACK, IT's JUST A CLASSE,A WAY TO PLAY, not a sort of overpowerd item we use.
Now, for wearing plate, we're oblige to play many many many round in realy light gear. It's a pitty and for what mh? what's the aim? Creating a peasant fight mod?
PLEASE look at Donjons and dragons rules, two way to play a warrior, heavy (plate and slow) and light (light armor and fast) . Both are deadly, both are cool, both are nice, why can't we get this here? (and plz dont answer me : go play dnd with your nerd friend)
AGI /STR , two way, two classes of warrior, two different kind of stuff.
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[quoteAssuming you lose every round, you can afford 25k gold worth of equipment. If you have more at 1x, you lose gold. This is very simple math if you cannot do it (linear equation) then go back to school, don't waste your life on videogames without getting a proper education. Waste it later]
I rly dobout. explain to mehow did I lose 6k wearing 12k worth armour?? Im playing a serius number of hours the same set and I made 4k so far as I was lucky to have the x5 multiplayer but still I have 2k lost. with such maths I cant upkeep plates not to mention buy one if I wouldn have one already. There is to much LUCK involved to play with upkeeping stuff...
That math is based on the data we have and until yesterday it was accurate. Today i have to play a few more rounds to tell, i got a bad repair streak as well. But since it was correct and there has been no new patch, i assume it's just bad luck.
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Siege is just terrible. I played on the siege server for about 2 hours last night and all it was is a constant drain of gold.
I only play siege and I made 50K gold since the patch release.
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I only play siege and I made 50K gold since the patch release.
Well right on then, see even that has no issues.
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I hated the first patch, but this second one is fan-tastic.
If anyone complains just offer them some cheese.
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I only play siege and I made 50K gold since the patch release.
Me too. Siege is sweet. I even bought a heraldic transitional, because why the fuck not, I have all the money in the world - used it only once since then.
Really man, just switch to weaker gear once in a while. Change your horse to sumpter or palfrey, keep some shitty leather armor or something. Also, you REALLY hit a losing streak, had to (this phrase still sound stupid) repair your horse way more often than normal.
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Please stop these useless threads. Look for old threads with all the math done, one guy even did a simulation of 1000 rounds, you don't need to play 7 rounds and post the results here, we have data of 1k rounds already. Results are:
Assuming you lose every round, you can afford 25k gold worth of equipment. If you have more at 1x, you lose gold. This is very simple math if you cannot do it (linear equation) then go back to school, don't waste your life on videogames without getting a proper education. Waste it later.
Assuming you win half the rounds you can afford 48500 gold worth of equipment.
well, that's nasty. thanks for wasting *your* life reading this post. next time i would be thankful for some real data instead of just raging a little.
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Me too. Siege is sweet. I even bought a heraldic transitional, because why the fuck not, I have all the money in the world - used it only once since then.
Really man, just switch to weaker gear once in a while. Change your horse to sumpter or palfrey, keep some shitty leather armor or something. Also, you REALLY hit a losing streak, had to (this phrase still sound stupid) repair your horse way more often than normal.
i understand. thx. but is this the intention? i thought, my set is allready crappy. so i expected it to last a little longer.
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Yes, that is intentional. Your set is not crappy at all, it's well above average gear. The basic concept of the patch was that you should be able to constantly upkeep around 20-25k worth of equipment. Your horse alone is worth slightly more than 20k.
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a black lamellar vest, a heavy lance and a plain cav shield is above the average gear?
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It's all been said. Don't bring your horse to every single map - including ones where horses don't do well like Port Assault, Unfair Castle* and that XP Tower on EU4 - and you will gain money enough to offset the money you lose on the rounds where you do want your horse.
*it's not officially called that, but you know which one I mean
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ah. so why are so many naked ppl out there?
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Because they grinding Money, go naked and farm money.
I dont played months to upgrade good items and then to wear peasant stuff.
I dont heirloom a Straw hat.
I am not a Tin can i am a agi builded player with maximal 15 Strenght. I cannot wear my Lordly Tabard mail, my Gauntlet or my helmet.
Shields are nerfed again. 10 k costs for a Steel shield.
But i dont wanna play a peasant set, thats so boring. And i have no fun to farm 2 hours to play 30 min my style.
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Unfair Castle*
*it's not officially called that, but you know which one I mean
There's plenty. Which one are you talking about? The one with the flag directly at the gate (grass map), the one with the ladderspam capabilities (desert), the wooden castle with the big house next to the flag, or the new unbeatable snowy one?
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Because they grinding Money, go naked and farm money.
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this is the intention?
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this is the intention?
The intention is to wear 25k in gear and lose every game. You can have a top tier weapon with this limit and good armor and still afford it. If you want more then that, win some games or farm.
You have wine tastes on a beer wallet my friend.
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Why do people keep saying to win more games? That was taken out with the hotfix. And we all know teamwork is not the answer because it won't happen. Those winning teams aren't using teamwork. They have a stacked team. I bet everyone who joins a server, first checks the scores and who's on the teams. Then tries to get on that team. Its ALL about stacking now and the luck of the autobalancer. On top of that, now it seems like every other round is a draw. There goes the ONLY reason to win a round, the multiplier. Because there are no other incentives to win. There's no k/d benefit. No assist benefits. Nothing.
So I use shitty equipment, hoping my team wins, hoping the autobalancer doesn't fuck me, hoping I don't have to repair everything at once. There's a lot of hoping and luck there. And that is my problem.
PS: I do like the patch overall. I do not like the roll of the dice determining my income.
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And we all know teamwork is not the answer because it won't happen. Those winning teams aren't using teamwork. They have a stacked team.
You're wrong. Teams consisting of Mercs and Shogunate members are winning not because their members are gods on the battlefield (although they are above average and some of them are among the best players), they are winning because they have tactics and sense of teamwork. Random folks don't and that's why they lose. But sometimes even random guys can organize and wipe the team full of organized clannies.
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I cant afford my horse. :?
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well, that's nasty. thanks for wasting *your* life reading this post. next time i would be thankful for some real data instead of just raging a little.
Just look it up it's in this forum, you can find the code for the simulation a guy did and run it yourself if you want. The math behind the 25k at 1x is in this same post, just read it then stfu.
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Why do people keep saying to win more games? That was taken out with the hotfix.
No, because when you win your chance of item degredation is reduced (50% of the losing teams % I believe) AND you get the multiplier. Winning a few games here and there lets you wear quite a bit of gear above the 25k mark. I wear on average 43k worth of gear and I'm making a profit.
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Just look it up it's in this forum, you can find the code for the simulation a guy did and run it yourself if you want. The math behind the 25k at 1x is in this same post, just read it then stfu.
no deal. but i am impressed by your deep insight in this matter, especially the "code from someone else"-part. why don't you simply put on the equation you're so proud of 3 posts ago? as you might have not realized, i did not doubt any figures or equations of [how it would be meant to be...] i just put on my dataset and ask, if it is working as intended? since you still did not say anything really useful you might have another try?
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Ok then, i played alot of rounds since the patch, it is working as intended. If you paid more than average, it was just bad luck.
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Simple, want to earn money? Want to help your team to victory?
Train, become better at what you're doing, get a nice weapon, blocking skills, and 5 powerstrike.
BAM!
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NAHHH Shits still fucked up a little. Working as intended maybe but there has to be some code to prevent bad streaks. Why allow someone to go through that. And dont tell me its all as it should be. Patch was update first day to QQing so dont call it perfect.
And these draws are starting to get stupid. I doubt that was put into calcs.
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NAHHH Shits still fucked up a little. Working as intended maybe but there has to be some code to prevent bad streaks. Why allow someone to go through that. And dont tell me its all as it should be. Patch was update first day to QQing so dont call it perfect.
And these draws are starting to get stupid. I doubt that was put into calcs.
I had some bad streaks myself, i can undestand how someone who hasn't alot of gold will get broke (i did several times). What i did was just farm naked a few rounds to get a little more gold, but i've always looked at the gold at the start of each gaming session and by using 40k equip i slowly gain gold, i can even afford to buy an item every 2 days. Just like the calculation suggested. I'm all for reducing upkeep a bit, but the good players are already adapting (especially by playing on small servers where skill counts and income is still the same) so there will be less qq and a really limited number of players able to get to level35+ and play with high end equip (not happened yet, they're still grinding).