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Title: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Rebelyell on October 15, 2014, 11:41:38 am
It will meake that pach even more awesome.

pls pls pls pls pls.

I know that you dont really want to do that but at that point there is no way it will harm game at any lvl.

Quote from: Harpag the 100 CD key masta on October 15, 2014, 12:33:42 pm
if you make a revolution, make it complete.
Title: Re: Give us option to respec looms with new uba patch.
Post by: Erzengel on October 15, 2014, 11:44:26 am
+1
Title: Re: Give us option to respec looms with new uba patch.
Post by: Umbra on October 15, 2014, 11:44:57 am
Quote from: Harald on October 14, 2014, 10:17:08 pm
The required XP to level up will be considerably lowered. Less grind for new players, more options for old ones. You will keep your current XP and your level is adapted accordingly. If you have a retirement title it will be grandfathered. Every character gets a free respec without penalty.
Title: Re: Give us option to respec looms with new uba patch.
Post by: Erzengel on October 15, 2014, 11:46:29 am
Quote from: Umbra on October 15, 2014, 11:44:57 am


Read the title again...  :P
Title: Re: Give us option to respec looms with new uba patch.
Post by: Rebelyell on October 15, 2014, 11:50:04 am
Quote from: Umbra on October 15, 2014, 11:44:57 am

loom
we need to get rid of that 23 456 MW DGS
and around 9 953 sets of kuyak hero

Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Umbra on October 15, 2014, 11:57:04 am
Ah looms, my bad  :oops: :oops: :oops:
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Nessaj on October 15, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
Maybe, if it can be done as a one time offer. I don't think enforcing it would be good since a lot of people would lose looms in their armory from the inactive.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: WarLord on October 15, 2014, 12:08:00 pm
Do it!
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Man of Steel on October 15, 2014, 12:17:58 pm
Quote from: Nessaj on October 15, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
Maybe, if it can be done as a one time offer. I don't think enforcing it would be good since a lot of people would lose looms in their armory from the inactive.
Can't you manage to select just the loomz of the players, which were even once in the last month online?
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Rebelyell on October 15, 2014, 12:22:38 pm
Quote from: Nessaj on October 15, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
Maybe, if it can be done as a one time offer. I don't think enforcing it would be good since a lot of people would lose looms in their armory from the inactive.
Well I know it sound as selfish and greedy, but it will really help, and yes I agree that offer will be better option.
I would give fave reasonable reasons but I really suck and writing down my thoughts.

I will try to keep that as simple as possible.

From what I understand you wanto give us awesome pach that will bring players back in to game.
You give us cool shiet
new level system
new items
new respec optios(Really good move I am proud of you guys)
new item refroge option(witch is good)


But you still force peoples to invest time in to that game, and most of us dont want to grind that much anymore and we still want to play that game and try new items.
We want to try them so we have to trade them, but on day one they are super expensive and some are unaccessible for weeks or months.

So we are forced to buy LP or trade your looms for lover value to get that new items(and cut on that is high), that put peoples in strange position where they want to do something but they have to sacrifice a lot of old items=time they spend to get them.

On that point that may throw some players back away from the mod, it may be that final stroke.

That game is all about fun( not including strat) and I think  that old hard grind mentality have to go.


I think If you give us option to reset our looms every 6, 2, 1 months it iwll not harm game, marketplace will still be usable and it will work good for the game, but that is just my dream.

Give us full loom respec option I beg you.



dramaingrish me bat but me mus si tat

Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Aprikose on October 15, 2014, 12:33:37 pm
ok if they really gonna do it i should buy thousands of cheap +3 peasant things :)
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Harpag on October 15, 2014, 12:33:42 pm
I agree, if you make a revolution, make it complete.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Erzengel on October 15, 2014, 01:17:06 pm
Quote from: Nessaj on October 15, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
Maybe, if it can be done as a one time offer. I don't think enforcing it would be good since a lot of people would lose looms in their armory from the inactive.

Would be really nice. Otherwise most people won't be able to use the new items. :)

There are so many loomed shitty old items that nobody uses. Time to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Tzar on October 15, 2014, 01:20:45 pm
Fuck... I recently bite the dust and pressed respect.... FML!!  :?

But yeah... give people the respect plz.. hitting that respect button made me wanna play again :)

:EDIT GIEF ME MY LVL 34 BACK BEFORE GIVING RESPEC PATCH  :lol:
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Kalp on October 15, 2014, 01:21:33 pm
Quote from: Erzengel on October 15, 2014, 01:17:06 pm
There are so many loomed shitty old items that nobody uses. Time to get rid of them.
You should know that marketplace is a strange place where miracles happen  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Utrakil on October 15, 2014, 01:31:14 pm
+100 for loom respec.
If you are not in a clan with access to a lot of loomed items You have to think twice about respecing your character because the loomed Items you have match only a certain playstyle.
So it would be awesom if I could respec my 1h weapon into a a twohand+3 and my light armour into some heavy stuff.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Prpavi on October 15, 2014, 01:39:01 pm
it would crash the marketplace  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Rebelyell on October 15, 2014, 01:41:04 pm
Quote from: Prpavi on October 15, 2014, 01:39:01 pm
it would crash the marketplace  :mrgreen:
for moment maybe, then all marketwhores will use situation to gain even more
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Moncho on October 15, 2014, 02:15:34 pm
Quote from: Nessaj on October 15, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
Maybe, if it can be done as a one time offer. I don't think enforcing it would be good since a lot of people would lose looms in their armory from the inactive.
What about a system where you get as many points as looms you currently have, then each time you respec an item the counter goes down (by the lps needed to get that loom lvl) and from the first usage after a week/month/other period the remaining points disappear?
Would allow to respec the same item various times, but only for a limited period and with the unability to respec other stuff. Maybe even make respeccing an already respecced item cost twice as much.
That way you can decide when to use the first one, but once you start you need to do all the changes in a limited timeframe (to prevent respeccing into FoTM when buffs/nerfs happen), and inactive people can do it when they return, not affecting armories.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Keshian on October 15, 2014, 05:56:44 pm
Only problem with this is i know with my clan at least we have like 5-10 guys no longer playing EVER again with 40+ MW looms in the armory.  If they respec all those looms permanently lost.  So if they are going to do it it should be voluntary.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Utrakil on October 15, 2014, 06:16:59 pm
Maybe it is a possibility to gain one loomrespec every 10,000,000 XP.
those loomrespecpoints could be traded in the marketplace as well.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Molly on October 15, 2014, 07:30:10 pm
Why would you need to loom stuff just to try it?

I'd like to see the marketplace handle this, tbh. Would be fun to watch :D

Besides, maybe it will force some of those old my old friend full +3 guys to actually use un-loomed armour. Or force them to consider retirement and get of their... I dunno... lvl 38 chars of w/e they would be.

I say: No loom reset!
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Angantyr on October 15, 2014, 11:23:32 pm
Some kind of loom respec would be reasonable with so many new items all at once.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: stickher on October 16, 2014, 12:05:40 am
It would be nice to do this but it ruins the new thing they add where you can exchange any +3 for 2 points at any time. What i think would be ok is if they gave everyone 1 free heirloom exchange. The others that you dont want just trade them in the market place or get 2 looms right away for them when patch hits.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: woody on October 16, 2014, 12:13:21 am
Items which no longer exist people should get loom points for.

Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 16, 2014, 12:14:00 am
What a shitty idea.  If they took your +3 plated charger away and gave you 3 LPs, you'd still have to buy a plated charger from the store.  That's 60k gone!
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Tuetensuppe on October 16, 2014, 12:15:18 am
Quote from: Nessaj on October 15, 2014, 12:06:49 pm
Maybe, if it can be done as a one time offer. I don't think enforcing it would be good since a lot of people would lose looms in their armory from the inactive.
Quote from: Keshian on October 15, 2014, 05:56:44 pm
Only problem with this is i know with my clan at least we have like 5-10 guys no longer playing EVER again with 40+ MW looms in the armory.  If they respec all those looms permanently lost.  So if they are going to do it it should be voluntary.

this!


Quote from: Molly on October 15, 2014, 07:30:10 pm
Why would you need to loom stuff just to try it?

I'd like to see the marketplace handle this, tbh. Would be fun to watch :D

Besides, maybe it will force some of those old my old friend full +3 guys to actually use un-loomed armour. Or force them to consider retirement and get of their... I dunno... lvl 38 chars of w/e they would be.

I say: No loom reset!

this!
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Aprikose on October 16, 2014, 12:18:58 am
Quote from: Utrakil on October 15, 2014, 06:16:59 pm
Maybe it is a possibility to gain one loomrespec every 10,000,000 XP.
those loomrespecpoints could be traded in the marketplace as well.

HOLY are you serious?
loompoint price would be 80k.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Utrakil on October 16, 2014, 12:31:24 am
Quote from: UrukHai on October 16, 2014, 12:18:58 am
HOLY are you serious?
loompoint price would be 80k.
So??
I aint see no problem there.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Aprikose on October 16, 2014, 12:35:41 am
Quote from: Utrakil on October 16, 2014, 12:31:24 am
So??
I aint see no problem there.

U could remove +0,+1,+2 items and make everything +3. woulda be the same :P
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Utrakil on October 16, 2014, 11:05:18 am
Quote from: UrukHai on October 16, 2014, 12:35:41 am
U could remove +0,+1,+2 items and make everything +3. woulda be the same :P
no it would not.
You still need to grind to get (or buy) your loompoints.
It wouldn't even change too much. As now If I trade a +3 for an other +3 I eiter wait o lot or I add +-80k to speed the trading up.
So the Respecpoint will just eliminate the waiting for a good offer. And it will make live harder for the greedy marketpace twellers.
As I see this patch it aims to make the game more enjoyable for casuals. Taking some power from the marketplace billionaires would be a step into that direction as well.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Teeth on October 16, 2014, 01:47:55 pm
I thought grinding for looms was fun and a reason to play?

Remove looms 2k14
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 16, 2014, 02:42:16 pm
I'd say do that at least for loomed armors. There will be some awesome new pieces and we will most likely all be drooling over them. Maybe make it possible to refund looms for like 3 pieces of +3 armor (or maybe 4 for full gear) and everyone will still be hella happy.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Rebelyell on October 16, 2014, 03:04:55 pm
Quote from: Teeth on October 16, 2014, 01:47:55 pm
I thought grinding for looms was fun and a reason to play?

Remove looms 2k14
was fun for first 40 gens
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: darmaster on October 16, 2014, 03:42:58 pm
Quote from: Teeth on October 16, 2014, 01:47:55 pm
I thought grinding for looms was fun and a reason to play?

Remove looms 2k14

my old friends use looms
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Harpag on October 16, 2014, 04:07:05 pm
Quote from: Teeth on October 16, 2014, 01:47:55 pm
Remove looms 2k14

listen to this guy, and mod will be killed in a few days  :rolleyes:

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Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Rebelyell on October 16, 2014, 04:10:52 pm
Quote from: Harpag on October 16, 2014, 04:07:05 pm
listen to this guy, and mod will be killed in a few days  :rolleyes:

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whith no looms there is no diffrence anyway...
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Harpag on October 16, 2014, 04:14:48 pm
Remove looms from people, and will be hate like from Moscow to Lisbon. Stupid idea.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: karasu on October 16, 2014, 05:07:22 pm
I doubt Lisbon will give a damn.  :lol:
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Camaris on October 16, 2014, 05:21:00 pm
1. Looms are one of the things i actually dont like. It was awesome back then when i could grind for them to get full +3.
Now i am full +3 and the only thing it does is somehow limiting me in my game.

Ok someone could say just use nonloomed stuff... but why should i abandon hundreds of hours of work just to get a new style.
It just doesnt feel right when i play with other stuff.... and i do offer new players a lot of my stuff from time to time in armory.

It goes so far that it limits me in my choice if i had to chose a new clan... fuck those use byzantine stuff... i dont fit there... fuck those are vikings... i will look silly with my shit up there.... fuck ninja??? plateninja?? fuckydifuckfuck!!!!!

So i have to choose: either lose hunderds of hours of work OR stay the style i´ve been forever now and that became boring to play in. (or play the market for weeks that doesnt bring any fun to me).
Why cant i chose every 2 weeks to reforge one loomed item. That would be enough.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Bittersteel on October 16, 2014, 05:21:39 pm
Remove looms and alot of people are gonna quit and never come back, stupid Idea.

If you're gonna go trough with Bobby's Idea, only make it an item or two, otherwise, you're giving the option for all oldmy old friends to be even stronger.

Or you could leave it like it is, most of us wouldn't care.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Tydeus on October 16, 2014, 05:34:06 pm
Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not the type of person who fits into what I'm about to say anyway, but I have found myself to be the minority. There are certainly players who enjoy crpg for what it is (not the grind/levels/looms). I would consider myself among that group but any conversation I have had with others on this topic, even among those who I'd normally think would be most likely to agree with me, I have found myself to be in the minority. For a large number of players, the "grind" is what keeps them playing and one thing that is for sure, is that instant gratification is never an option that leads to sustainability.

Allowing such easy access to heirloom respecs completely removes that grind and thus, removes a major factor that keeps a large number of players on the servers. Even if you don't want to retire your main, you can still retire an alt and experience a much faster and easier leveling process. What before would only get you to level 21, will now get you to level 31. Low levels will pass by in a breeze. With that in mind, it's very hard for me to think that these loom respecs will be better for crpg's health in the long run. To the people that enjoy cRPG for what it is (not looms or levels), what's most important to keep them around, is to have people on the servers(thus they need those grinders).

Feel free to explain to me where and how I am wrong. If I am wrong, then I won't have to continue opposing this idea, so please explain how, for sustainability, this will be helpful.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Camaris on October 16, 2014, 05:35:07 pm
Or just give us one free reforge-point every 1-3 million we earn on servers...
You get loom points if you retire and you get reforge points just by playing. That would be awesome.
This way even older players would get motivation out of the loom-system to get their new items without retiring all the time.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: jtobiasm on October 16, 2014, 05:35:43 pm
Why do you rely on looms so much?
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: darmaster on October 16, 2014, 05:36:10 pm
wipe
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Camaris on October 16, 2014, 05:46:57 pm
Quote from: jtobiasm on October 16, 2014, 05:35:43 pm
Why do you rely on looms so much?

I dont rely on them. I acutally think my score wouldnt change a lot if i didnt use them.
But it just feels wrong not to use them. I invested so much time. It feels wrong. Its a brainthing.
I wouldnt mind if they delete all of them and there wouldnt be any looms. But other people do.
So i search for solutions i´d be happy too.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: woody on October 16, 2014, 06:07:24 pm
I'd prefer if the effect of looms was to change only appearance in standard crpg. While some would not use I like the idea of dressing up like Uhtred to go to battle. Trade loom points for gold arm warrior rings - I would. Then get owned by a peasant archer.
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Ubba_Ragnarsson on October 16, 2014, 07:07:06 pm
Definitely a great idea for a one time type deal. Give everyone a fresh start on what they would like to do with the adjustments as I'm sure a lot of people decide which weapons/armour to loom based on how they play with whatever class which is something that will drastically change with these new features
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: Kaido on October 16, 2014, 10:00:06 pm
If the idea get accepted,make sure this will be manual.Don't fuck with all inactive people that had their items in armoury cos they last played at 2011 or smthing..
Title: Re: Give us full loom respec with new uba patch.
Post by: pepejul on October 16, 2014, 10:07:50 pm
make all unemployed lommed stuff randomly shared into active players communauty !  :mrgreen: