This is news? Everyone knows modern 'murica is the land of deadbeat welfare bums, where the EBT cards flash faster than they can be loaded. Half of its population doesn't even work.Do you make any posts where you aren't nerd raging at America?
Do you make any posts where you aren't nerd raging at America?
Everyones eyes are on China while the old powers of (primarily mainland) Western Europe are regaining their pre-WWII status almost without comment, EU countries having for a good while surpassed the US in gross domestic product, both in total and per capita. The US still has the by far biggest army expenditure, though, as you would expect of a nation having nurtured for the last 60 years the ghosts of the old European colonial interests. China is rising, but is still an incredibly backwards, rural country, and mostly an assembly plant for said Western industry.And their growth won't be linear for long. They're going to run into problems soon enough, economic growth is far from being as simple as it seems if you just look at charts. The socioeconomic implications alone are going to cause problems, China isn't your stereotypical Western country, just with slant-eyed yellow people.
If 'murica wasn't a nation of fat dependents, I wouldn't type a thing about the place
Its ok though man, China holds US debt and has them by the balls
Ye, but even a 3rd grader would notice that your cursing is relatively shortsighted. Im no US lover but, its just random factless shittossing. And even if it is backed by facts, its the most litterate rawest facts possible, specifically designed to inform the common anti-american slob, so they can feel slightly superior about their own lives for a change. People with brains dont measure countries successes by percentage piecharts from 9gag. Which I assume is where you get majority of your info from, considering the constructiveness of your posts.
Whatever floats your boat mate. Just aslong as you are aware of it......
Certainly occifer, I'm aware of the law
Its ok though man, China holds US debt and has them by the ballsHow so?
That said, regular GDP comparisons make China look bad because they artifically keep their currency down, making the exchange to dollar costly for the GDP number. The thing with countries with 1.3 billion people is that even if they are dirt poor, the sheer number of people producing at a shoddy pace is gonna make the national economy big.
Many seem to ignore the fact this thread is about worlds biggest economy, not the best country in the world.Which China is only when "adjusted." US is still the world's biggest economy.
Ok now you need to compare the GDP per capita, then its a much different story. America will remain top dog for many more years to come, don't you worry.
GDP is worthless when you're the world's top debt ridden nation for 16 years running, with half of its population either not working or not looking for work. Doesn't matter how much you make if you can't manage your money.
USA USA
btw its the Chinese holding onto 'murican debt. If anyone is in a position to dominate, its the Chinese.
No. China BUYS US debt to keep it's country fluent. Without a Stable dollar China loses a lot of it's economic power. It's a double reward. China maintains economic growth and power, while the US can do what it needs to. The problem is, if China comes "calling" for the debt, the US can negate itself out with very easy methods. It's not something that will be a good 1-year plan but it'll be able to drop "Chinese Debt Holders" if push comes to shove without severe reprecussions over a long period.
And, in addition, China is a country that has a growing middle class, in a country where "freedom"(for Tibet) and a larger, more educated central class isn't tolerated.
And, in addition, China is a country that has a growing middle class, in a country where "freedom"(for Tibet) and a larger, more educated central class isn't tolerated.Yep, that's one of the problems. Higher educated people aren't going to slave away 18 hours a day for 2 dollars a week.
Negate the debt with what? Bullshit? Nobody trusts the US anymore.
And give me a break with the "America is freedom" crap, since you've forgotten about its rampant police brutality and warrant-less surveillance.
Holy shit bro, don't you have anything better to do? Raging at America is literally all you do on these forums.
Plenty of EU guys on here are no fans of America, and that's fine. But you're acting like you're on a crusade with a massive stick up your ass.
Negate the debt with what? Bullshit? Nobody trusts the US anymore.
And give me a break with the "America is freedom" crap, since you've forgotten about its rampant police brutality and warrant-less surveillance.
You obviously didn't read what I wrote. "Freedom" (For Tibet) isn't anything related to "American Freedom." Lombard is probably one of those EBT Flashers since he can't seem to read basic English.
Negate the debt with what? Bullshit? Nobody trusts the US anymore.If that is the case, then how come everyone is willing to lend the US money at awesomely low interest rates? China loves lending to the US because they desperately need the US to buy their products. That US debt China holds, they can't just call it all in at any time. All that debt is locked up into contracts, contracts that are easily servicable by the US and in fact actually profitable for the US. In case you didn't know. The US actually earn more from interest payments from debts they hold than they pay in interest for debts they owe. The only thing China can do is not offer any more future loans, but guess what, everybody loves to lend to the US. There are some awesome perks that come with having the top currency in the world.
If that is the case, then how come everyone is willing to lend the US money at awesomely low interest rates? China loves lending to the US because they desperately need the US to buy their products. That US debt China holds, they can't just call it all in at any time. All that debt is locked up into contracts, contracts that are easily servicable by the US and in fact actually profitable for the US. In case you didn't know. The US actually earn more from interest payments from debts they hold than they pay in interest for debts they owe. The only thing China can do is not offer any more future loans, but guess what, everybody loves to lend to the US. There are some awesome perks that come with having the top currency in the world.
I'm sorry that China is on track to becoming freer than the supposed land of the free. The US has become a parody of itself.
You must not know anything about Tibet and China. Sigh.
Guess you forgot about the decades of clusterfucks in the middle east all for FREEDUMB (oil)
Murica best country
Yep, you don't know shit about Tibet, and by extension, anything you say is just red herrings ment to bash America wherever possible.
Good Lord, much troll, no love.
BTW most of the shit you're using, including the device you use to post, was Made in China
Petrodollar is the the real reason why murican economy is still going strong. Some OPEC members wanted to replace dollar with euro, but that didn't happen. Yet.
EU economy has grown a lot but its still a country without backbone which is hiding in shadow of great USA. Which is a shame, because EU could grow by leaps and bounds above USA if they had the guts to do it.
everything
Legitimate question: how much has the US tapped into its own oil supply? If memory serves they're still buying most of theirs from the Saudis.
Being the de facto currency for world oil trade is what makes dollar so special.
That won't last either. Its monopoly money at this point, better used to wipe one's ass.
You must not know anything about Tibet and China. Sigh.
I can get a box of toilet paper for a doller. You'd have to be pretty stupid to use a whole roll on one go.
Legitimate question: how much has the US tapped into its own oil supply? If memory serves they're still buying most of theirs from the Saudis.
Actually most of our oil is coming from canada, and South America, we still get a fair share from the Middle East but that number is declining
You'd think the US would issue more domestic drilling permits. They have supply but don't use it.
And we are, notice the quick edit I made, that's just our imported oil. We are producing much of our own oil now.
If that's true, why did the US refuse the Keystone oil pipeline? I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from here.
Because Obama is a hippy
For once, can there be a US president that isn't a C student or an activist?
No, they'll get killed
A guy broke into the White House a few weeks ago, it certainly wouldn't be hard
I didn't really pay attention to that, but from what I could make of it. He just rush the gate/hoped the fence and made a mad dash across the lawn. Secret service shut him down before he was anywhere near the building. All IIRC
A informed clockwork is a scary clockwork
Except he got in, with a knife. Doors were also unlocked
Back on topic, there is one industry that the US can beat China in, and that's marijuana production. Huge, booming business. Anything else, forget about it.
Weapons and Military Industries.
The US makes more weapons than most countries use in a year.
Everyones eyes are on China while the old powers of (primarily mainland) Western Europe are regaining their pre-WWII status almost without comment (except for increasingly anti-semitic ones), EU countries having for a good while surpassed the US in gross domestic product, both in total and per capita. The US still has the by far biggest army expenditure, though, as you would expect of a nation havingnurturedprotected for the last 60 years theghosts of thebroke dick old Europeancolonial interestscountries so they could spend all their money on extravagant social systems and forget about defending themselves against Russia. China is rising, but is still an incredibly backwards, rural country, and mostly an assembly plant for said Western industry.
Yes,EuropeOld World did suffer dramatically through the two world wars while theUSNew World gained enormously.
Corrected.
bundle of sticks Americans, deliberately let Europe drown in blood (twice) and only finally intervened when every side was completely fucking obliterated and exhausted
Yeah... I'd ask an historian about that.
US didn't enter the European theater of the war until its later stages, most historians will tell you that.
Eh, Kafein questioned why, not when.
Yeah right, USA protecting the world from evil Russkies. Only thing USA protected in post war Europe were your own interests. If USSR spread to west Europe, that could mean game over for USA. Had nothing to do with helping Europe.
bundle of sticks Americans, deliberately let Europe drown in blood (twice) and only finally intervened when every side was completely fucking obliterated and exhausted, geopolitically expanded into the resulting vacuum of power left worldwide from the collapse of colonial empires and the retarded cunts still have the nerve to whine about it. "BOOHOO, our bundle of sticksry and impregnable strategic position made us the heir of worldwide domination, ensuring untold wealth and prosperity, WEEP FOR US". Like you fucks sacrificed anything for it. "Greatest generation" my ass. Oh noes, less than half a percent of our population, TRULY WE ARE THE GREATEST MARTYRS OF FREEDOM.
Yeah... I'd ask an historian about that.
It's not disgusting. Before the internet, only people who seriously studied history knew the facts. Everybody else took for granted what was in history books for elementary and high school or what their (biased) family told them. Mucho bullshit in most cases. Now every individual can dig as deep as he wants and analyze the data presented to him. People can see through obvious bullshit thanks to internet, you can't sell them stupid ideas as before. Life is not as simple and many things that were considered important aren't anymore.
It's not disgusting. Before the internet, only people who seriously studied history knew the facts. Everybody else took for granted what was in history books for elementary and high school or what their (biased) family told them. Mucho bullshit in most cases. Now every individual can dig as deep as he wants and analyze the data presented to him. People can see through obvious bullshit thanks to internet, you can't sell them stupid ideas as before. Life is not as simple and many things that were considered important aren't anymore.Not quite.
That's what I'm talking about. I KNEW the facts, but they are, now, trying to pass it off in our school system as something...else. More like, instead of history, it's political activism and "blame game" history, so to speak. And, while you might say: "Can't sell stupid" most people who go to school just eat what they are fed(especially younger children) and don't bother looking it up. That's why it's so disgusting. They force it on people who can't "really" think for themselves and then they get older saying X, Y about history totally be ignorant of the nuances, for history can't be summed up in one sentence.
Also, spell check has made me shit at spelling words. Damn it. :mad:
So what is this topic that's being twisted?
Real reason behind rapid decline of native American population is smallpox and other deadly diseases their immune system couldn't cope with. Being isolated didn't help the case. But they certainly weren't executed one by one as some like to imply. Although there are certain similarities between doings of some historical "monsters" and what happened to natives. That's because it always comes to extermination through isolation, instruments are less important (gas chambers, climate, famine, biological warfare).
What do they teach kids in USA these days?
Eh, Kafein questioned why, not when.
Hernan Cortes
Francisco Pizarro
The memoirs of the conquistador Bernal Diaze del Castillo is a good read that will probably change your mind about the bolded part. Here is it for free (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/32474/32474-h/32474-h.htm)
This. To argue that the US waited a bit before entering WWII in order to make Europe a ruin on purpose is incredibly dumb.
While we are discussing books, here is the one you want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
Jared Diamond extensively discusses the case of Pizarro in that book. And yes, even though a few hundred Spaniards did kill thousands of Natives in "battles", the bulk of the killing in the Americas was made by Eurasian germs that the Natives had zero genetic resistance against. In most places, the Europeans arrived after the local Natives had been largely decimated by imported diseases.
It wasn't textbook genocide as the invader's end plan wasn't to wipe out the Natives. They did do mass killings, but as a result of trying to convert them to the Catholic religion, stealing their riches and stealing the lands which were good for European agriculture. I'd even argue that genocide would have been impossible anywhere, prior to at least 18th century genetic theory.
Owned this book myself once, it reads like an editorial completely glossing over certain facts (like the invaders documented bloodlust) because it might make sensitive modern readers feel uncomfortable.
No it doesn't. The book clearly refers to massacres of Natives by European invaders in the Americas, Africa and Oceania.
If anything the bias in GGS is anti-european, not pro. Jared Diamond thinks civilization is unnatural and bad and hunter-gatherer societies are more psychologically and physically healthy in every way, anyways. He's practically a frigging luddite. People need to read some of his other essays instead of always bringing up GGS.
You've read Collapse, how does he explain the difference between what the Haitians went through on Hispanola, and what happened to the Dominicans? Strange, how the book abandons the pretense of absolute determinism by geography, almost as if there are other factors. Maybe because he actually went into detail, instead of having a massively reductionist overview of the entire history of human existence? No, that couldn't be.
Incidentally, zebra can be domesticated. Russian researchers managed to domesticate a wild fox species in a mere 6 generations. There are plenty of domesticated zebra around. If the species had gone through the same process wild horses underwent throughout the world (except in America, where they were hunted to extinction), it would probably be just as docile and shaped to serve as the horse. Of course some zebra can't be domesticated, that's the point of breeding programs. You take those that are docile, breed them, and you progressively get a more domesticated species. zebras have been used as beasts of burden and to ride since the late 19th, mostly to show off, since the only benefit was that it was much more resistant to african diseases than horses. You can even breed them with horses!
Sure, there's some 'Black Legend' cases in South America, but that North American Native Americans were the victims of genocide is not controversial.
Disease killed many but so did mass-expulsion, slavery, scapling, starvation, countless massacres and 'Manifest Destiny'.
The 'Founding Fathers' were well aware at the time what they were doing, also in writing, and pretty much every source you can find in the period are equally unambiguous.
George Washington called the Native Americans “beasts of prey” and called for their total annihilation on many occasions, besides destroying what was virtually the stone-age people of the Seneca nation, and later the Iroquois Confederacy. George Washington gave the following orders to General John Sullivan in May 31, 1779:
“The immediate objectives are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops in the ground and prevent their planting more.”
Andrew Jackson was behind several massacres on Creek Indians and the total destruction of many other Eastern tribes. President Thomas Jefferson wrote in December 29, 1813:
“This unfortunate race, whom we had been taking so much pains to save and to civilize, have by their unexpected desertion and ferocious barbarities justified extermination and now await our decision on their fate.”
Extermination of Indians was encouraged publicly, in the daily press or for example by the Governor of California in 1851. In 1867, General William Sherman said:
“We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux even to their extermination: men, women and children.”
From 1848 to 1870 over 120,000 Native Americans died just in California. The examples are numerous.
Hence my comment being on the indigenous peoples of North America.
Yes, if China spends all of its gross domestic product on domestic products they would be able to buy more than if the US would spend all of its gross domestic product on domestic products. Good luck spending 17 trillion on pork meat and toy cars. Comparing GDP's adjusted for purchasing power parities is incredibly dumb ever since people invented trade. China is a bigger economy because they have a crappy domestic market, okay.
That said, regular GDP comparisons make China look bad because they artifically keep their currency down, making the exchange to dollar costly for the GDP number. The thing with countries with 1.3 billion people is that even if they are dirt poor, the sheer number of people producing at a shoddy pace is gonna make the national economy big.
When other countries do it: Conquest of a weaker peopleAmericans were called Europeans when they did it
When America did it: Genocide
and I'm sure all of the countries you europoors come from has done something shitty in the past too.
When other countries do it: Conquest of a weaker people
When America did it: Genocide
and I'm sure all of the countries you europoors come from has done something shitty in the past too.