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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: matt2507 on July 15, 2014, 04:52:42 pm

Title: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: matt2507 on July 15, 2014, 04:52:42 pm
As the title say, i got an idea to nerf horses archers without nerfing the archers on foot.
The idea is simple: adding a secondary mode to bow who are usable on horses.

In exemple, for the Nomad bow, i add a secondary mode and make the primary mode unusable on horse. If a player mount an horse, he was automaticly in secondary mode.

Quote
["nomad_bow",         "Nomad Bow",
[("nomad_bow",0),("nomad_bow_case", ixmesh_carry)],
itp_type_bow|itp_merchandise|itp_primary|itp_two_handed|itp_cant_use_on_horseback|itp_next_item_as_melee,
itcf_shoot_bow|itcf_carry_bowcase_left|itcf_show_holster_when_drawn,
101 ,
weight(2.4)|difficulty(2)|spd_rtng(62)|shoot_speed(48)|thrust_damage(21 ,  cut),imodbits_bow ],


["ha_nomad_bow",         "Nomad Bow",
[("nomad_bow",0),("nomad_bow_case", ixmesh_carry)],
itp_type_bow|itp_merchandise|itp_primary|itp_two_handed,
itcf_shoot_bow|itcf_carry_bowcase_left|itcf_show_holster_when_drawn,
90 ,
weight(2.4)|difficulty(4)|spd_rtng(55)|shoot_speed(40)|thrust_damage(18 ,  cut),imodbits_bow ],

In blue is the primary mode, usable only on foot.
In green is the secondary mode for ha with other item stats.
"itp_cant_use_on_horseback" set the primary mode unusable on horse.
"itp_next_item_as_melee" define the next item in the script as secondary mode.

Theses values are just for the exemple but with some testing and somes tweaks, i'm sure it can be good.
And it can also work for hx  :twisted:

What people think about that ?
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Nehvar on July 15, 2014, 05:47:51 pm
Neat idea but, personally, I'd be cool with nerfing all archers...to death.  Either way.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Krex on July 15, 2014, 05:56:22 pm
Neat idea but, personally, I'd be cool with nerfing all archers...OBLIVION 
FTFY
Agreed.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Blackbow on July 15, 2014, 06:31:53 pm
look like a great idea !!
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Macropus on July 15, 2014, 07:46:58 pm
Its really nice indeed, and doesn't seem too hard to implement I guess?
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: matt2507 on July 15, 2014, 07:50:19 pm
Its really nice indeed, and doesn't seem too hard to implement I guess?

Normaly no. The more difficult is to find a good balancing for the secondary mode.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Tydeus on July 15, 2014, 07:59:56 pm
There's some other stuff that demands fixing before we look into this, but it's certainly worth keeping in mind, assuming this doesn't have any unintended side-effects.

+1, quality proposal.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Algarn on July 18, 2014, 05:59:36 pm
Bump. I saw on my brother's screen the amount of horse ranged ( around 10 horse archers , 5/6 with yumis), kill it with fire please.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: STR_aD_Sargon_eqv on July 19, 2014, 08:13:08 am
As the title say, i got an idea to nerf horses archers without nerfing the archers on foot.
The idea is simple: adding a secondary mode to bow who are usable on horses.

In exemple, for the Nomad bow, i add a secondary mode and make the primary mode unusable on horse. If a player mount an horse, he was automaticly in secondary mode.

In blue is the primary mode, usable only on foot.
In green is the secondary mode for ha with other item stats.
"itp_cant_use_on_horseback" set the primary mode unusable on horse.
"itp_next_item_as_melee" define the next item in the script as secondary mode.

Theses values are just for the exemple but with some testing and somes tweaks, i'm sure it can be good.
And it can also work for hx  :twisted:

What people think about that ?

i want u for presedent of crpg
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Prinz_Karl on July 19, 2014, 11:14:47 am
Please implement this as quickly as possible, very good idea.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Geon on July 19, 2014, 11:28:41 am
Great idea, but what good would this really do? Nerfing damage and accuracy wont change much. So what if it takes 16 arrows to kill someone instead of 10. You want to really nerf HA? Change shield difficulty to STR. That way all the 2h heroes can carry around board shields. I'll still play HA either way because there will always be idiots left to kill.

On a side note if this was implemented I assume that would take away any chances of being able to weapon switch between arrow types.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Joseph Porta on July 20, 2014, 04:31:11 pm
Awesome idea imo  :D
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Senni__Ti on July 20, 2014, 06:36:05 pm
Damage and accuracy aren't why HA's are hated.

HA would still be able to kite endlessly, still with arrow stun + stagger. Just as irritating.

What I posted in the game balance version of this thread:
(click to show/hide)

I know CRPG uses 1.14X, so no modifier, but you could change the riding skill directly (as suggested by Huscarlton Banks), or some WSE alternative to the modifier (if there is one).
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Johammeth on July 20, 2014, 06:41:15 pm
HA arrows that hit the ground now deal damage to the shooter's horse, to simulate the hazards of firing sharp, pointy objects willy nilly into the field where your horse grazes.

Totally realistic!!11
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Algarn on September 12, 2014, 12:47:13 am
Bump. Balancers should take a look again to that thread.
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Protemus on September 12, 2014, 01:38:32 am
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Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: bigsean on September 12, 2014, 01:45:20 am
free respec

dont give a shit otherwise
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: lombardsoup on September 12, 2014, 03:40:22 am
How to nerf ha: make them eat 'murican diets
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Swaggart on September 12, 2014, 03:55:56 am
free respec

dont give a shit otherwise

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Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: matt2507 on September 12, 2014, 11:08:57 pm
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I don't know if you are trying to annoy me but if it's the case, know that you have failed !
Because I love this pic and you got my +1 even if you have -1'd me in the op  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Battlepriest on September 13, 2014, 06:40:03 am
or like you know

lower how much more accuracy you get with horse archery skill

but going with this, it'll allow me to make a custom mesh that turns all horse archery bows into butts

like, literally, it's a compound/butt bow and you hold it by the poopy hole
Title: Re: Simple idea to nerf ha without nerfing regular archers
Post by: Templar_Steevee on September 18, 2014, 01:28:33 am
It's a nice Idea:)

I also would like to know what devs are doing/reworking now ;)