I agree with most of the points except point 1. With the nerfs from the other points especially the cost of gear - voting for castles and cities we would have less than a 1/4th the battles we have had so far because it is ridiculously expensive to put together an effective siege army now - whereas an ineffective siege army can still wear down or take an ai castle. Ai battles probably account for half to 3/4ths the battles initiated and troops lost since the start of strat.
Also, on NA side all the largest factions have enough silver and troops to do field battles, attack trade caravans, and attack villages (squids are a perfect demonstration of a clan actively doing this), but the vast majority of these largest factions have initiated less than 5 attacks on a non-ai target (MB, Occitan, Wardens of the North (since they defeated astralis), Acre (not counting 13 knights who kind of do their own thing).
Some of the blame definitely lies with the remaining playerbase mentality not just devs. Many of the most active players are now primarily playing other games after seeing how boring this strat was (Im play more cs:go than crpg and I know quite a few others like that with different games), leaving the leaders who tend to do absolutely nothing but trade runs and defend still playing this game (you know who you are).
druzinha / grey order ruined EU strat for everyone else
as the 2 only large, efficient active factions on the map they refused to fight each other
twats
I agree! Also welcome to the recent-forum-renown-king club with the other cool kids
I agree with most of the points except point 1. With the nerfs from the other points especially the cost of gear - voting for castles and cities we would have less than a 1/4th the battles we have had so far because it is ridiculously expensive to put together an effective siege army now - whereas an ineffective siege army can still wear down or take an ai castle. Ai battles probably account for half to 3/4ths the battles initiated and troops lost since the start of strat.
Also, on NA side all the largest factions have enough silver and troops to do field battles, attack trade caravans, and attack villages (squids are a perfect demonstration of a clan actively doing this), but the vast majority of these largest factions have initiated less than 5 attacks on a non-ai target (MB, Occitan, Wardens of the North (since they defeated astralis), Acre (not counting 13 knights who kind of do their own thing).
Some of the blame definitely lies with the remaining playerbase mentality not just devs. Many of the most active players are now primarily playing other games after seeing how boring this strat was (Im play more cs:go than crpg and I know quite a few others like that with different games), leaving the leaders who tend to do absolutely nothing but trade runs and defend still playing this game (you know who you are).
Thanks, man. Do I get a badge informing everyone that reads my posts of how much of a shameful nerd I am or something?
I hope so.
Oh, nevermind, I see it. Sick, I'm a king of spergs.
haha i beat you into the kings club get fucking rekt sandy
god propaganda master all hail master kesh of the USA
Give it a fucking rest arowaine.
Give it a fucking rest arowaine.
Oh, c'mon. Everyone has their niche. Daruvian insults people with creative semen/poop/gay/nerdisms, I write large, idealistic walls of text when the time comes, Bryggan writes RP and longs for enough knights to actually be 13, and Arowaine talks about fcc/kesh vassaldom.
It is the natural order of things. It is the tao. It is the way.
read between the word little boy!
is it worth for kesh too ? cause im a baby ill stop when he will heueheueh
Sparvico has apparently forgotten the ages of attrition warfare LCO fought against VE in the earlier part of strat 4. They also launched several attacks on Fimbulvetr, TKoV and FCC later on.
FCC did a huge portion of the fighting last round though, they were very dedicated and made sure that the people they were fighting had the least amount of fun possible.
Regardless, strat 5 sucks dick. Nobody besides a few select factions are willing to put up any form of fight, and the few battles we do get are usually horribly lopsided. In my opinion, they should just scrap it all and start up another round with similar mechanics to Strategus round 2.
I hate kesh even more than arowaine. but even I can admit that FCC made strat 4 what it was, and Kesh was FCC. Arowaine's constant bigoted hatred against someone who only served to improve strat last round is just so fucking pointless. Not to mention the fact that arowaine and LCO only really fought VE when their back was turned and have in fact done shit all this strat. I realize it's his niche, but it's the dumbest fucking one he could have picked.
All Kesh said was that LCO has not done shit this round, which is essentially true.
All kesh did last strat was fight, and fight, and fight. All you did last strat was hole up in your castles and then stab the poor withered remnants of the VE when their backs were turned. You sling shit constantly without ever contributing anything of note to any conversation.
Did not forget about it at all, I in fact lead an army of LCOs to capture and hold New Jelbegi for several weeks (or maybe one week, idk), but then LCO lost a few battles and arowaine threw in the towel like he always does.(click to show/hide)
In any event the main point of this thread is that strat 5 sucks donkey balls. We either need to accept the dwindling community and adjust strat accordingly (less fiefs and cheaper gear), or try and add (re-add) things to strat to break the monotony and make it interesting to play in the hopes people will return.
im pretty sure most of us do not even give a fuck about strat anymore we play it for a while was fun now just garbage like kesh said mod is death
problems of strat is lack of interest from people of the north american community/ game is dying/mod is getting old /admin-devs arent trying to keep the community together by getting a side game working properly without exploit/gear bug time issue, this game take to much time for so little fun from what i am concern strat is just a death side game.
i mean comon fraidan found out that he could track anyone on the map 1 week afther the realease, mudertron was inform that putting troop in city from this i think the game is not yet finish and im tired to play alpha game so i move on.
The sad part about all of this is how much of the map LCO controls and how much of the map they've done nothing with. You took AI fiefs. Congrats, so did most of us, but now that you have so many and had a lot of active players why aren't you starting wars for the sake of xp? Yeah mod is de.ad whatever, but you aren't helping breath any life into it by sitting on your hands with one of the largest factions in the game. MB, you guys too, attack someone make it more interesting. If I had your resources I'd be flooding NA with battles but I don't. I have Rhalzo, he's my only resource, and he's doing a great job. It's taken us all this time to just take a castle and have two decent armies that we're readying for the next step of our plan. At least some EU's came to our side to hopefully do just that, MAKE STRAT ABOUT BATTLES! Who cares what they are or even why, just so long as they are occurring. Quit being nerds camping and "building up resources" and fight something. Anyhow those are my thoughts on the matter of NA strat and why it's boring as fuck currently.
People aren't refraining from fighting because they're building up resources. They're refraining from fighting because it would take effort to put together armies, coordinate attacks, counter-attacks, withdrawals, etc etc that they do not feel is worth the result.
Unless what I'm gathered is wrong and people really are simply "building up", that'd be pretty shitty. I'm fairly confident people just don't want to spend the nerd-hours doing anything on strategus besides clicking "enter fief" "inventory, sell goods/info, buy goods". They're rather spend that time in NA_1.
So what you're saying is that people aren't doing anything because they're lazy bitches?
Also, the second half of your statement makes it seem like strat takes a tremendous amount of time out of your NA 1 time which it does not. You die, you alt tab, you click a few buttons you alt tab back in when round starts. Seems pretty easy to me. It's just frustrating when you look at the NA map then you read posts like this of people just bitching about how strat isn't fun, how it's dead, how so and so should be fighting so and so and yet no one does a goddamn thing about it. They just make more posts and try to out nerd other nerds on the forums. It's stupid as fuck. What is everyone so worried about, that their precious pixels on a webpage are going to dwindle or disappear? At this point who cares. At any point, who cares.
EDIT: I forgot to mention in my first post about how Squids were doing a great job and are pretty much our only hope.
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What he was saying is... Strat takes too long. It takes way too long to build up one army that may only get to fight for one battle. The reward isn't there. Many of the battles... NA_1 is more fun.
Thats the funniest part. KbW and Occitan got most of their fiefs (and thats a lot of fiefs) for practically nothing 12-13 against, so they got ALL that AI gear to play around with. Takes almost no effort on their part to do something as opposed to Squids where most of their gear comes from a massive amount of trade runs and caravan raids.
This is the thing - I knew, me and the other most active FCC guys couldn't put the same effort we did last strat so we stepped down and split up FCC. If Arowaine has completely given up on this mod as he says - he really needs to step down and give all those strat resources to someone in his faction who will do something with them, even if its something stupid, at least its a fight instead of another 9 months of arowaine worrying so much about losing his fiefs and alienating any factions other than the one I'm in, that he never initiates an attack against anyone in a FRICKEN WARGAME! Same goes for Aldo, who if he spent even 1/50th of the time he spends on the battle server leading his guys on strat would have done more fights than squids.
The sad part about all of this is how much of the map LCO controls and how much of the map they've done nothing with. You took AI fiefs. Congrats, so did most of us, but now that you have so many and had a lot of active players why aren't you starting wars for the sake of xp? Yeah mod is de.ad whatever, but you aren't helping breath any life into it by sitting on your hands with one of the largest factions in the game. MB, you guys too, attack someone make it more interesting. If I had your resources I'd be flooding NA with battles but I don't. I have Rhalzo, he's my only resource, and he's doing a great job. It's taken us all this time to just take a castle and have two decent armies that we're readying for the next step of our plan. At least some EU's came to our side to hopefully do just that, MAKE STRAT ABOUT BATTLES! Who cares what they are or even why, just so long as they are occurring. Quit being nerds camping and "building up resources" and fight something. Anyhow those are my thoughts on the matter of NA strat and why it's boring as fuck currently.
dude we made astralis survive against all the invader we feed mb some fief we helped hospitaller and other clan for several stuff but yeah as i said im talking about the occitan interest not the whole group! so you can get your point straigth
Even the EU's haven't done shit
we will just be leaving and let you guys have fun!
dude we made astralis survive against all the invader we feed mb some fief we helped hospitaller and other clan for several stuff but yeah as i said im talking about the occitan interest not the whole group! but yeah i hear you dude so pls attack so i my group can feel doing something also remenber why taking more land then what we need/want only fief we are missing from our initia claim is shariz from murdertron and compare to some people im able to put the axe away and change things in strat. like sparvico say anyways occitan is shit and arowaine aswell so since we respect the na community we will just be leaving and let you guys have fun!
anyways i love you all after all it was a pleasure now have fun without me.
Give us gear or silver and we will gladly start shit right now.
But you know, it is pretty difficult to attack a player/fief if you do not have the gear to actually fight.
Don't know how much shit all the other EU factions have, we literally built everything we have from scratch, and I think considering we went to NA quite a bit into the round we have done a lot more than the majority of the NA factions who have started building from Day 1 and still have not had one proper battle.
I have put a load of effort and time into organising trades and shit, I literally had almost no time to play for half an hour because I would constantly be talking with people. For a couple weeks basically.
Recently stopped putting so much energy into Strat, otherwise we would probably already have had a few proper battles. Now it is a bit delayed but if you badly want nice fights, how about you just get an army and attack a faction that can put up a decent fight?
I DO have an army, and gear, but it's a garrison and not to leave the castle. I've been building/gearing up armies of ours for a bit, but our guys generally do it themselves. IE: Each army/trader is his own gear, time and effort, and not coordinated at all from up top beyond targets to attack.
Tilbault CastleThe cake is a lie.
Well, forgot to mention Anders in that bottom part, but I guess one can figure that we cannot expect big fights from him in near future either :) But hopefully at some point :D
People seem to think I am talking out my ass when I bash arowaine, but I am actually speaking as someone that has grown more and more disappointed by him the longer I have know and worked with him. He spent nearly all of strat 4 either running away or stabbing people that were to weak to mount any reasonable resistance. Bonsai is the only reason LCO really did anything of note in strat 4 at all, he was the driving force behind keeping LCO alive in the days of the siege, and he continually provided amazing logistical and trade support for LCO once VE caved. To my knowledge bonsai is not actively participating in the leadership of LCO this strat (whereas arowaine is) , and they have in fact, done nothing of note.
I say the Squids, Astralis, and Frisia should have peace talks. Then we can expand your empires 10 fold.
I'm just the only Astralis guy who's a forum warrior. The rest just hide.
druzinha / grey order ruined EU strat for everyone else
as the 2 only large, efficient active factions on the map they refused to fight each other
twats
Bullshit. Morons who can't get their shit together ruined Strat.
You forgot Balikar.
Love the assumption, but you know what they say about those who assume...
did arowaine just completely melt down when tasked with taking a risk. That is awesome. Hahahaha.
With that being said superfriends have a few thousand troops with gear anyone interested in a field battle? I would like to fight a couple where I am not climbing up a ladder into the ranged rain of death and also where I am not standing behind a wall bored to tears watching the ranged rain of death fall on the enemy.
No he's been sick IRL for the past couple weeks and hasn't been able to keep what little coordination of the faction in place. He had to personally step aside. There's still plenty of other active people in LCOH to keep things moving.
You're talking dozens of man hours to get an army equipped and ready to fight for at most 2 hours of fighting.
So Arowaine pulling a soccer move "Oh, I took an arrow to the knee"
jesus christ you are the cancer killing video games
"though KU is striking back to retake their lost fief."
Nice post smoothrich occitan menbers will read it and i will ensure when i get better to destroy those sperg if i do still give a fuck...in the old memories OF THE NORTHEN EMPIRE!!!!(southern in our case)
ps: signed ildist
So Arowaine pulling a soccer move "Oh, I took an arrow to the knee"
jesus christ you are the cancer killing video games
You want to know why squids have done so well?
They're the only ones left putting in some kind of organized effort on the map.
Gotta agree here that's excessive. You make me physically ill with your propaganda sometimes Kesh. You don't have to behave like this.
Simply not true. I know many groups that are doing their best but have to deal with closed borders, factions that prey on independents/traders and an economy that's harder than last round. People havejobs and schoolprayer and holy duties. Not to mention its summer and the weather is nice...
As many people have said here it is hard to put together armies and requires a fair amount of time and planning... Not so much though if you control 20+ fiefs all working together with backing from several large groups and a massive portion of themapworld. Also stealing 24k goods from several NA factions early in strat thanks to kinngrimm afk'ing probably helped. Maybe that had something to do with you guys contributing so much more than everyone else. eh Kesh?
As far as Acre not providing enough battles please. Fuck off Kesh. You can't lie your way into that being true, spew as much propaganda as you like. We put everything we can into making Strat as fun as possible.
You misunderstand. I meant that they are the only ones who still give a shit about this broke ass strategus.
Guess I was wrong?
what XP?
Would you rather have us do nothing? Poof XP....gone.
Are you suggesting we have given aow the spoils of our shulus attack? You would be wrong. Only people to get anything from that attack was acre and desire. Knowing is half the battle
Let's add to the rumors about Squids:
Squids did 9/11.
So...you guys have been sitting there trading since day 1. Where's your geared armies then? You should have plenty of money to gear up with. Astralis can gear most armies at armed/heavy armed status easily enough, and that's with a severe 3 month delay in economic capacity....I've been half-assed trading for a few months and currently have...300 rounceys and some ninja gear to contribute.
I already offered to have some field fights with people. No one has stepped up yet. Since you like throwing around your condemnation.. Will astrailis ever use those armies to do anything but defend a castle? Pretty sure arowaine alluded to lco being the only reason you still have that castle from aow.
i know your pain joe, i know your pain
#cavstandunited
im just still fucking pissed at the devs for getting rid of my class entirely in strategus, like wow why you assholes
oy vey its another shoah against my people
fuck you devs
fuck you, you fucking sphincter sorcerors
fuck you in your stupid fucking mouth-breathing faces
also i think the XP from NA_1 is better than most strat battles when you get constant x5 which isn't very hard
And I'm pretty sure it's still double xp so really getting x10