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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Strudog on May 31, 2014, 09:53:50 am
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So since you've managed to miss out nerfing 1h cav in every patch recently, can i ask will this ever be done? Will these 1 hitting no skill players ever be nerfed?
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Instead of nerfing the class they made it unplayable for some of us high level 1H cav that there were lots of :mrgreen:
However your continuing crying seems to be all about one class and one class only. While 1H cav is OP due to high damage, 2H cav does even more damage and even the pole cav does almost as much when against heavier armors. With 58 head armor on my 2H I lose about the same when hit by 1H cav and a high speed lancer. Lancers do less damage overall but have a lot more reach, so it's pretty balanced atm imo. 2H cav loses a shield, but gains better ability on foot, especially when using something like a Longsword.
Just respec back to horse archer and see how OP 1H cav is against it's predators.
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All cav does is sneaking up behind you and hitting you when you are distracted for a second. Don't see how reach makes up for a lot less damage there.
2h cav is OP as well, no doubt, especially when using the Morningstar. Being as OP as 1h cav doesn't mean it shouldn't get nerfed.
However, with the recent Riding-requirement nerf I think that was enough until everything else gets nerfed down again.
Everybody is using light/medium horses now. There are barely any Heavy Horses left. So grab a pokey polearm and watch the horses bow to your feet.
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Instead of nerfing the class they made it unplayable for some of us high level 1H cav that there were lots of :mrgreen:
However your continuing crying seems to be all about one class and one class only. While 1H cav is OP due to high damage, 2H cav does even more damage and even the pole cav does almost as much when against heavier armors. With 58 head armor on my 2H I lose about the same when hit by 1H cav and a high speed lancer. Lancers do less damage overall but have a lot more reach, so it's pretty balanced atm imo. 2H cav loses a shield, but gains better ability on foot, especially when using something like a Longsword.
Just respec back to horse archer and see how OP 1H cav is against it's predators.
1h cav damage is superior to that of the lancer, its the only class that 1 hit kills me and everyone else, ive played as 1h cav and you have to agree it vastly superior compared to the 2 others.
All cav does is sneaking up behind you and hitting you when you are distracted for a second. Don't see how reach makes up for a lot less damage there.
2h cav is OP as well, no doubt, especially when using the Morningstar. Being as OP as 1h cav doesn't mean it shouldn't get nerfed.
However, with the recent Riding-requirement nerf I think that was enough until everything else gets nerfed down again.
Everybody is using light/medium horses now. There are barely any Heavy Horses left. So grab a pokey polearm and watch the horses bow to your feet.
Seems like there are even more cav than before, and i have always found light cav to be superior to heavy cav, i would hardly call last patch a nerf to pure cav players, but more of a nerf to hybrid builds.
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Have you ever considered playing with the sound on ?
Cav is the weakest class in head-on confrontations.
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I did not really notice an influx of cav players to be honest. I made a cav charater yesterday myself though, since most people are using lighter horses now it is easier to actually kill them while being cav yourself. Maybe others think the same and thus started using cav? Dunno. If so then they are playing when I am not :D
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1h cav damage is superior to that of the lancer, its the only class that 1 hit kills me and everyone else, ive played as 1h cav and you have to agree it vastly superior compared to the 2 others.
Seems like there are even more cav than before, and i have always found light cav to be superior to heavy cav, i would hardly call last patch a nerf to pure cav players, but more of a nerf to hybrid builds.
Having played all of the classes I wouldn't say 2H cav is inferior in any way to 1H cav, basically the same but without a shield and with higher damage. As I've said in before I'm not that good at lance cav and it's far easier to do well as 1H cav than it is as lance cav. However there are some great lancers* in this game that can do some epic maneuvering to outreach 2-handers and polearmers and to fight them head on. It seems like it takes real skill to master that class and buffing it would be hugely problematic imo. Just look how well MUSASHI does already and I don't think most 1H cav can get anywhere close to Gurnisson's lance cav KD, maybe Royanss.
I agree on the point that this patch didn't nerf cavalry. However it did buff horse archers and archers which I think was terribad for balance.
Edit: *=Great as in very good, not lame ass great lance abuser
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I believe that bump slashes/stabs deal more damage than they should, most likely due to a bug. They're supposed to deal 50% of its original damage, but it doesn't seem to work that way in-game. It'll be one of the things to bug cmp about whenever WSE2 gets updated.
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All cav does is sneaking up behind you and hitting you when you are distracted for a second. Don't see how reach makes up for a lot less damage there.
2h cav is OP as well, no doubt, especially when using the Morningstar. Being as OP as 1h cav doesn't mean it shouldn't get nerfed.
However, with the recent Riding-requirement nerf I think that was enough until everything else gets nerfed down again.
Everybody is using light/medium horses now. There are barely any Heavy Horses left. So grab a pokey polearm and watch the horses bow to your feet.
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2h cav deals less damage (unless you enjoy cav with a 85 length weapon that is) and cannot use shields (or if you use a shield it's 1h wpf anyway). Shields are actually pretty damn important for melee cav so that's a huge drawback. Of course, NA players won't agree here because we all know there's no ranged over there.
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2h cav deals less damage (unless you enjoy cav with a 85 length weapon that is) and cannot use shields (or if you use a shield it's 1h wpf anyway). Shields are actually pretty damn important for melee cav so that's a huge drawback. Of course, NA players won't agree here because we all know there's no ranged over there.
Afaik 2H and 1H cav now have the same malus on horseback. Meaning Longsword will do 40c damage, while Arabian Cavalry Sword does 36c damage. I might be wrong here and I've heard conflicting info from devs and balancers about this, but in my testing I found that +3 ACS and +0 lolsword do the same amount of damage with the same build. Also Morningstar seems to do full damage on horse back - that's 41p and will onehit most guys in plate with one hit to the chest.
The non-bastard 2-handers deal less damage. That's utterly retarded imo.
While shield is important, really important, I don't think you should forget the melee ability with the bastard swords either. At least before the nerfs, they were in the top tier of two-handers. You can hardly say the same about any of the 1H cavalry swords.
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Approximations from damage reports
Pure 2h: 25% reduction
2h/1h with shield: 0% on horse(a bug it seems), 10% on foot
2h/1h without shield: 0%
1h: 0%
1h/2h in 2h mode: ???, never tested
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It's been a while but I used to blast people into a powdery mush with a Side Sword stab from horse back.
You can't get the 1h into 2h mode from horse back.
I've always preferred 1h on horse back. It's more fun, and against other cav it always felt like more of a competition. You have more tricks up your sleeve and more options and executing the moves well requires skill and practice. Also it's quiet a brilliant moment when you chamber a couched lance as you ride past and slap their horse on the arse.
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Instead of nerfing the class they made it unplayable for some of us high level 1H cav that there were lots of :mrgreen:
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I stopped reading there. This thread can't go anywhere good :lol:
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Even if 2h technically deals less damage than 1h on horseback, using a Morningstar still vaporises anything in its way and is still easy to use despite the short reach.
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Longsword is longer and deal more damage than the ACS, and it's arguably a better choice when you get dismounted too. However, you do sacrifice the shield for it, and as cavalry the shield is very important. Don't get me started on morningstar, if you want to hit unaware enemies or charge into mass melee with heavy horse and heavy armour that weapon is a true beast.
Still, I think 1h cav is better as ranged is less of a threat.
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I stopped reading there. This thread can't go anywhere good :lol:
What I meant by that is that we - who had a high level 24/15 build and there were lots of us - can't play heavy cav anymore without respecing and wasting tens of millions of xp. The class itself is still as strong as ever against anything but ranged.
Thank you for the numbers San. I'll now start using my +3 HBS on horseback instead of ACS as it clearly is a better choice.
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just remove the penalty of crossbow man and archers. And then give archers melee abilities as well because this guys where strong to draw they re bows. So this mod is sometimes totally nonsense. Another thing is give Arbalest the ability to shoot through wooden shields. another thing is 40 meters distance would be deadly with Arbalest. so wooden shields would still protect you. but not in close range. remove the fucking weapon master on crossbow as well because in medieval times every idiot could fire a crossbow. Make longsword 1 slot again. so that archers have a weapon as well what they can use and not only this stupid little one handers. And it would be more reallistic as well again. So before thinking about nerfing something you should think about buffing all the other shit. And then the horses who required 5 riding would have been no problem for you. But you have no nice ideas and weak minded as well. And thats why why have to nerf cav all the time and not because its OP. It has his fixed place in old medieval world. And this is no kindergarden Counterstrike. (Steel shield would have been the only thing what helps against a Arbalest.) And nothing else from close distance. Removeing the big requierment what you need to shoot with a crossbow in our mod here would give them melee abilities as well. and the cry for 1 hand cav would stop. And a thinking of buffing ironflesh would start. so that more shielders would need to use ironfleh. beause most of them are only useing weaponmaster now because of the new turded weaponmaster system. and dont need ironflesh at all.
Another thing is. give people while a runing strategus round the ability of an full respec. For Free!!!!!. Last Strat round i had to retiere 4 fucking times only because you little children with your whining want nerfs all the time but then you should give me a free respec at least. That what i call an asshole move. So you should not wonder mister because no one likes mercs "".""
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Longsword is longer and deal more damage than the ACS, and it's arguably a better choice when you get dismounted too. However, you do sacrifice the shield for it, and as cavalry the shield is very important. Don't get me started on morningstar, if you want to hit unaware enemies or charge into mass melee with heavy horse and heavy armour that weapon is a true beast.
Still, I think 1h cav is better as ranged is less of a threat.
morningstar is very short and is a bit hard to hit anything witchout bump
but when you hit someone with it.... ahhh that sound