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Title: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 02:33:23 am
This is a legitimate question I think we should all as a community consider and speak about openly before a move is made by the devs that could result in a lot of people being very pissed off.

About 2/3 of the EU map is owned by UIF. I don't want this to devolve into the same bitter discussions of their tactics, I just want people to consider the fact that the fighting in EU is legitimately coming to a short close. This has always resulted in wipes. NA strat is still highly divided amongst several clans with no official megablocks dominating the entire map. Feifs change hands and the possibility of battles has no predictable end. Now taking this to a logical conclusion would mean that the EU map (which comprises the majority of strat players) will be entirely dominated by a single group. There will be no battles left and accordingly the EU players would be looking for a wipe. This will be happening while the drama and wars and battles are in the midst of flourishing in the NA map.

Us NA players who are in a minority in regards to number of players as well as the favor of most of the devs (as far as I can tell) will, if the devs succumb to the desire for strat battles within the EU majority, have our entire strat session cut short during the prime moments of NA strat. Cut down in its prime.

I don't want this to happen. I don't think it is an issue which many of us have considered, but I do believe it is a legitimate concern for the future of strategus. So I ask, must both NA and EU strats be wiped when the battles run dry for our European friends?

All but opening post of mine has been removed...This one I left in order for context to be present for interested observers of the rest of the conversation.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: PsychoTwins on May 17, 2014, 02:36:32 am
EU can just come and see if they can conquer NA with shit ping  :twisted:
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 02:55:06 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: mrrdhardy on May 17, 2014, 03:35:56 am
Well it dosent make a difference if they do wipe strat, UIF will still ruin the next strat why because they are too big of pussies to fight each other.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: MURDERTRON on May 17, 2014, 03:44:52 am
Really, the worst part about all of it is that night time settings.  I think we should have mandatory night times in our respective hemispheres, which funnel all of the battles into prime time.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 04:14:12 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: MURDERTRON on May 17, 2014, 04:17:42 am
That's the real problem we are getting at... How to divide the two hemispheres... Keeping them interacting is really fuckin tricky, but is a complete separation a valid option? What would that do to the community?

I think keeping them completely separate, map wise would have been the move to make.  Mercing across is fine, I have no issue with that.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 04:21:34 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: HappyPhantom on May 17, 2014, 05:32:04 am
Really, the worst part about all of it is that night time settings.  I think we should have mandatory night times in our respective hemispheres, which funnel all of the battles into prime time.

That sux for players where your primetime isn't that great :( I would be sad.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Ganner on May 17, 2014, 09:13:24 am
Really, the worst part about all of it is that night time settings.  I think we should have mandatory night times in our respective hemispheres, which funnel all of the battles into prime time.

Except, no. Not everyone is able to play primetime. My prime playing hours are from 8 AM - 12 PM PST, its shit enough not being able to get any battles during that hour but if someone were to attack me, id be fucked because i cant possibly be present at my own battle if it was forced into prime time.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Matey on May 17, 2014, 10:30:08 am
devs announced how long this strat round will last at the start. i dont remember what the time frame is on it but the chances of them ending it early is zero. it will be miraculous enough if they actually end it when they are supposed to instead of letting it drag on another few months.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Artyem on May 17, 2014, 10:33:33 am
devs announced how long this strat round will last at the start. i dont remember what the time frame is on it but the chances of them ending it early is zero. it will be miraculous enough if they actually end it when they are supposed to instead of letting it drag on another few months.

It's supposed to end this December, but like you said, it'll probably end sometime in the middle of February.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 03:56:45 pm
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on May 17, 2014, 05:14:13 pm
This is a legitimate question I think we should all as a community consider and speak about openly before a move is made by the devs that could result in a lot of people being very pissed off.

About 2/3 of the EU map is owned by UIF. I don't want this to devolve into the same bitter discussions of their tactics, I just want people to consider the fact that the fighting in EU is legitimately coming to a short close. This has always resulted in wipes. NA strat is still highly divided amongst several clans with no official megablocks dominating the entire map. Feifs change hands and the possibility of battles has no predictable end. Now taking this to a logical conclusion would mean that the EU map (which comprises the majority of strat players) will be entirely dominated by a single group. There will be no battles left and accordingly the EU players would be looking for a wipe. This will be happening while the drama and wars and battles are in the midst of flourishing in the NA map.

Us NA players who are in a minority in regards to number of players as well as the favor of most of the devs (as far as I can tell) will, if the devs succumb to the desire for strat battles within the EU majority, have our entire strat session cut short during the prime moments of NA strat. Cut down in its prime.

I don't want this to happen. I don't think it is an issue which many of us have considered, but I do believe it is a legitimate concern for the future of strategus. So I ask, must both NA and EU strats be wiped when the battles run dry for our European friends?

They need to create penalties for faction size.  If you break up the factions it will create alternating diplomacy.  Look at the FCC.  Last year all those clans were tight.  They started strat 5 tight.  But then Acre started playing dirty.  They became worried LCO would attack.  So they created a coalition against LCO which included AoW.  Then a few weeks later they tried to pit LCO against AoW.  Because of it AoW attacked.  Now Acre is allied with LCO lol. 

It won't take long for diplomacy to shift around.  Just create penalties/bonuses for smaller factions.  NA strat is exactly as it should be.  There aren't any major mega blocks.  There are a few large clans ie Acre, AoW/GoW, LCO/Hospy.  But they aren't mega blocks like EU.  There are plenty of small factions like Black Company, Raven/Dracul, Super Friends etc etc which are just trying to survive.  Now some of those large factions are going to war and the map is splintering along diplomatic lines. 
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: MURDERTRON on May 17, 2014, 06:41:00 pm
Except, no. Not everyone is able to play primetime. My prime playing hours are from 8 AM - 12 PM PST, its shit enough not being able to get any battles during that hour but if someone were to attack me, id be fucked because i cant possibly be present at my own battle if it was forced into prime time.

In a game with such a small community that is withering, you're better off catering for the majority.  Plus, NA players could still get in on EU battles and vice versa.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on May 17, 2014, 06:52:32 pm
Just wait and see what happens  :wink:
Maybe Greys will declare war on Kapikulu while DRZ is declaring war to Greys and Kapis thinking they will fight The North Block together with UIF ^^
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Bryggan on May 17, 2014, 07:00:38 pm
It won't take long for diplomacy to shift around.  Just create penalties/bonuses for smaller factions.  NA strat is exactly as it should be.  There aren't any major mega blocks.  There are a few large clans ie Acre, AoW/GoW, LCO/Hospy.  But they aren't mega blocks like EU.  There are plenty of small factions like Black Company, Raven/Dracul, Super Friends etc etc which are just trying to survive.  Now some of those large factions are going to war and the map is splintering along diplomatic lines.

NA is fine.  A few big factions going to war allows the smaller guys to ally with whoever they want and make a difference.  Once a war is ended, they might have gained a fief or two, and then can once again choose who they ally with, whatever is in their best interest.  EU should just ban anyone who makes a mega clan for strat trolling.  They have enough players that they can lose a couple hundred or so.

If Acre gets too big and starts dominating, we'll rebel and find some underdog to help.  Gotta keep the game fun.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Carthan on May 17, 2014, 09:03:28 pm
If Acre gets too big and starts dominating, we'll rebel and find some underdog to help.  Gotta keep the game fun.
This seems to be the one of the two attitudes that are more prominent.
EU mostly being "If we are going to play, let's play to win"
NA mostly being "Fuck that. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD"
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Wesleysnipes on May 17, 2014, 09:13:54 pm
If Acre gets too big and starts dominating, we'll rebel and find some underdog to help.  Gotta keep the game fun.

Lol
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Holiday203 on May 17, 2014, 09:21:57 pm
They need to create penalties for faction size.  If you break up the factions it will create alternating diplomacy.  Look at the FCC.  Last year all those clans were tight.  They started strat 5 tight.  But then Acre started playing dirty.  They became worried LCO would attack.  So they created a coalition against LCO which included AoW.  Then a few weeks later they tried to pit LCO against AoW.  Because of it AoW attacked.  Now Acre is allied with LCO lol. 

It won't take long for diplomacy to shift around.  Just create penalties/bonuses for smaller factions.  NA strat is exactly as it should be.  There aren't any major mega blocks.  There are a few large clans ie Acre, AoW/GoW, LCO/Hospy.  But they aren't mega blocks like EU.  There are plenty of small factions like Black Company, Raven/Dracul, Super Friends etc etc which are just trying to survive.  Now some of those large factions are going to war and the map is splintering along diplomatic lines.

Acre will stab anyone in the back to survive and from my sources it seems to be worse than what happened with us and kutt. Funny enough though we have many enemies and few friends but I don't mind smacking the biggest faction on NA around a bit.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Ulrich_88 on May 17, 2014, 09:39:19 pm
I offered developers the following http://forum.melee.org/strategus-issues/how-to-make-strategus-interesting-for-all/
I think this is the only way to do strategus interesting for all.
1. Small faction during the invasion have an opportunity to strengthen the economy and the army for protection from mega alliances
2. Players mega alliances protecting their fiefs will not sit on their butts for several months and die of boredom.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Balikar on May 17, 2014, 10:11:32 pm
Acre will stab anyone in the back to survive and from my sources it seems to be worse than what happened with us and kutt. Funny enough though we have many enemies and few friends but I don't mind smacking the biggest faction on NA around a bit.

Hypocrisy. 
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 10:43:56 pm
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Holiday203 on May 17, 2014, 11:17:28 pm
I'm almost content with how NA strat is going.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 17, 2014, 11:54:17 pm
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Relit on May 18, 2014, 12:00:06 am
... We're only like 3 months into this strat and already EU players are being forced into the NA strat map because of the circumstances. I think this is going to get worse and as a Proud member of NA strategus, I think we oughta get together ahead of this curve before the entirety of NA strat faces the same dire consequences that have occurred in EU.

What are you proposing exactly? Establishing some kind of framework wherein NA clans would do what?
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on May 18, 2014, 01:11:58 am
I don't care about literally anything if the UIF decides to invade NA, prompting a glorious defensive war for the motherland, the steppes getting stained red with blood and my real life activities ceasing from XP addiction.

That won't happen tho so mod's ded
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 18, 2014, 01:28:00 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: njames89 on May 18, 2014, 10:03:56 am
Acre will stab anyone in the back to survive and from my sources it seems to be worse than what happened with us and kutt. Funny enough though we have many enemies and few friends but I don't mind smacking the biggest faction on NA around a bit.

We have yet to start wars with anyone whereas you jump traders as often as you can. The people who work with me I will never turn against. Whereas you have already turned against us during this Strategus.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Holiday203 on May 18, 2014, 10:06:53 am
We have yet to start wars with anyone whereas you jump traders as often as you can. The people who work with me I will never turn against. Whereas you have already turned against us during this Strategus.

You guys need a war and I'm happy to start it with you. Stop being a 360 spam whore in plate.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Wesleysnipes on May 18, 2014, 10:17:43 am
Support SR's freedom James !!!!

(Too bad we always have 15 less players then you guys every fight) hmmmm if only you didn't beg people and offer merc contracts by  monthly ;)
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: MURDERTRON on May 18, 2014, 06:05:52 pm
I don't get why you would demonize attacking traders, unless you have an agreement to march two armies into the open field.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Bryggan on May 18, 2014, 08:10:24 pm
Support SR's freedom James !!!!

(Too bad we always have 15 less players then you guys every fight) hmmmm if only you didn't beg people and offer merc contracts by  monthly ;)
Maybe Acre's free trade policies have a lot to do with merc support.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 18, 2014, 10:08:57 pm
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 18, 2014, 10:53:53 pm
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 18, 2014, 11:47:58 pm
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Wesleysnipes on May 19, 2014, 12:04:24 am
Lol a handful of admins are afk too. Why don't they recruit active players. Players in MB, Acre, AoW, should have atleast one or two considering the amount of players within.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 19, 2014, 12:55:00 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: FRANK_THE_TANK on May 19, 2014, 07:16:39 am
I like the dynamic of having all the EU immigrants.

I also like having the cross border trade.

The real problem with strat is that it's about grinding tickets more than it's about anything else. You can get by with an average trade set, you can get by with crap diplomacy IF you have a shit load of troop farmers. That's what the UIF have, a shit load troop farmers (and also an excellent trade set up).

If the system I offered up was in place the UIF would have a much hard time of it.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Mongolista on May 19, 2014, 12:08:14 pm
Oh so its EU fault Russians have the biggest player base in this community and leave their job to be able to grind ticks nonstop? If you split the strat maps everyone would go to the opposite side to where Russians and Poles are, I say set up a new Asian strat for Chinese and Russians.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Switchtense on May 19, 2014, 01:09:13 pm
ya reap what you sow buddy. Not NA's fault that the EU harvest has always been shit. Just cause you guys suck doesn't mean we NA'ers should be punished too.

Please explain how NA suffers from UIF taking EU over?

You get a couple more active players (EU immigrants)

That is about all I can think of.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: _GTX_ on May 19, 2014, 01:14:20 pm
This is a legitimate question I think we should all as a community consider and speak about openly before a move is made by the devs that could result in a lot of people being very pissed off.

About 2/3 of the EU map is owned by UIF. I don't want this to devolve into the same bitter discussions of their tactics, I just want people to consider the fact that the fighting in EU is legitimately coming to a short close. This has always resulted in wipes. NA strat is still highly divided amongst several clans with no official megablocks dominating the entire map. Feifs change hands and the possibility of battles has no predictable end. Now taking this to a logical conclusion would mean that the EU map (which comprises the majority of strat players) will be entirely dominated by a single group. There will be no battles left and accordingly the EU players would be looking for a wipe. This will be happening while the drama and wars and battles are in the midst of flourishing in the NA map.

Us NA players who are in a minority in regards to number of players as well as the favor of most of the devs (as far as I can tell) will, if the devs succumb to the desire for strat battles within the EU majority, have our entire strat session cut short during the prime moments of NA strat. Cut down in its prime.

I don't want this to happen. I don't think it is an issue which many of us have considered, but I do believe it is a legitimate concern for the future of strategus. So I ask, must both NA and EU strats be wiped when the battles run dry for our European friends?

Should not be wiped, because Strat on the EU map would be the exact same thing, because UIF would do the exact same thing as they have done so many times before. Therefore i don't see any reason to wipe EU strat, since it's not going to be any fun to play anyway, so i don't see why we should ruin the fun on NA strat, when there is no fun to be had on EU strat anyway. It would probably make more sense for the rest of the EU clans to fight in NA anyway, since they actually have better odds there, lol.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Switchtense on May 19, 2014, 01:20:23 pm
It would probably make more sense for the rest of the EU clans to fight in NA anyway, since they actually have better odds there, lol.

However, apparently the majority of EU prefers to complain about the deep pile of shit they are sitting in, rather than taking one step out of it.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Bryggan on May 19, 2014, 04:56:00 pm
A bigger fear is that all non druzhina/Grey Euro players quit or move to NA servers, giving the entire Euromap to the Slavs.  This Völkerwanderung could lead to Druzhina/Greys getting bored and invading NA which could mean all our petty fighting would have to stop and we would have an east vs west battle.  Their high ping might not be a problem for them as they would have oodles of silver, plenty of armies and a single purpose.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Bryggan on May 19, 2014, 05:27:47 pm
None of them want to, they hate high ping, it's even worse for them cos they're from Eastern Europe.

Also battle times, NA defenders have that advantage of having their nighttime etc, battles would be at rubbish times for EU but good times NA potentially, and even if they end up at a bad time NA, you'd have lots of EU support.

Ah good.  Now I can sleep at night without fear of an eastern barbarian invasion.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Switchtense on May 19, 2014, 11:16:47 pm
A bigger fear is that all non druzhina/Grey Euro players quit or move to NA servers, giving the entire Euromap to the Slavs.  This Völkerwanderung could lead to Druzhina/Greys getting bored and invading NA which could mean all our petty fighting would have to stop and we would have an east vs west battle.  Their high ping might not be a problem for them as they would have oodles of silver, plenty of armies and a single purpose.

Greys are going to stay in EU. I talked with Hetman recently and he said he cannot be arsed to come to "McDonalds Land" :D
I know to the majority of you say this is just "a grey saying something that is of no worth anyway because you cannot trust them".
But I have been a Grey myself, I get along very well with Hetman and I fully trust him sticking to his word.

On the other hand, Druzhina I do not really know. But as Heskey said, their pings would be horrendous. To spam effectively you need an okish ping. Otherwise you get counter spammed instantly. Them being from Russia mostly means they would have an incredibly shitty ping.
Most NA players would fight side by side, I will go so far to say even factions like Acre and Squids will fight in the same roster to drive Drz back to EU.
Loads of EU players would help out if battles would happen to take place during EU prime time, or maybe even in the morning (so late night for NA)

The gear-advantage would not weigh as heavily as all the other edges of NA combined.
And even though I would not mind giving Druzhina a small battering, I'd rather have them stay in EU where they belong.


If they ever do they'll eat us first so you'll have time to prepare.

That also, with us being right at the border in the steppes Druzhina would first swallow us whole, so you all would have some time to gather armies and gear :D
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 20, 2014, 12:34:11 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Switchtense on May 20, 2014, 12:41:45 am
Hey, people. The collective EU response to this was.... Yeah it sucks in EU, yeah we are all gonna get wiped, but don't worry, UIF will stay in EU land for months and months of trading simulation. We failed to unite to put up a real fight against UIF, maybe you NA'ers should unite to do this instead when it's your turn. But don't worry, they'll sit on their asses for months singing jolly tunes.

First off, we are heavily divided in NA and WE LIKE IT THAT WAY! Secondly, there are two options for curbing this seemingly inevitable future: A mass subsidizing of EU clans so ya'll can actually stand a chance in your wars and a complete map separation. Once again though, WE ARE DIVIDED AND WE LIKE IT LIKE THAT so the first option is pretty much just a fanciful idea with no chance of bearing fruit. The second option is the only viable one which only requires the devs to make very minor changes to the map. That grey area at the top of map which indicates the positions of the two maps in regards to each other would be extended to the entirety. Hell if you wanna keep a connection, leave one small sliver of joining lands in the steppes and it could be like the Knights Watch on GoT.


Nope. We never said "Go NA, unite and beat the shit out of UIF!"

We said, in the very unlikely case of Druzhina going to NA, all NAs would go apeshit on them.

Devs will not do shit. Them actually bothering to change stuff is even more unlikely than UIF invading NA.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 20, 2014, 12:51:04 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Switchtense on May 20, 2014, 01:05:58 am
Someone please tell me I am not the only one who just saw the blatant contradictions in the post coupled with a ridiculous misinterpretation of my typed word. Please tell me I am not alone in recognizing this.

If it makes you feel better, I didn't read your whole post, so yes, I might have missed a point or so.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Tojo on May 20, 2014, 05:44:06 am
Personally as a true 'Merican I would love to slaughter some Easter Block Soviet Communists. I wish they would invade NA strat and make it interesting
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Smoothrich on May 20, 2014, 06:46:02 am
Near the end of Strat 3 I proudly supported my slavic brothers on their invasion of NA, as DRZ wiped out every fief of my former allies and Union stayed to occupy the ruins in the heartland of TKoV's claims, defending on NA ping until the end of Strat.

It was actually really fun, but I was just about the only person mercing on UIF side from NA for most battles, shit talking fat stupid Americans the entire time. Seemed like just about no one in any of the UIF clans enjoyed the battles though, since everyone had horrible latency (despite the fantastic gear.)

Also if I recall one of the main reasons they invaded NA was because they had no one left to fight in EU, since the western European clans are almost all pussy quitters who bail out of wars and destroy their own tickets and gold instead of showing up to their own battles once they start losing.

Main thing to remember is that Strat 2 was by far the best. I doubt anyone who was active at the time would disagree. It had simple map mechanics that remained balanced, so clans could easily develop themed armies with appropriate gear levels, and not get burnt out sperging over dots on their Internet Explorer 8's. NA and EU clans had fluid alliances, finding cross time-zone merc support, bailouts of gold and tickets, and hilarious scheming sessions in TS.

I was an LLJK officer at the time and worked with UIF at its multinational criminal conspiracy prime to absolutely crush at least a dozen clans, including the complete destruction of the Shogunate as an entity (I personally led the invasion of their EU heartland, crushed their armies, mocked their gimmick, and posted youtubes of their shame until their seppuku). This UIF alliance didn't even have Grey Order or DRZ contributing anything except sharing a friendly border, those clans (Bashibazouk, Risen, Legio, Union, maybe some others) were just cool people with good organization who enjoyed shitting on their enemies on the forums and in game.

I think bringing back the shared map, and simplifying Strategus mechanics to make battles more frequent, less demanding of behind the scenes sperging, and generally a more "casual" feel would be the only thing to keep the game alive. Then people could send armies into the Slavic hivemind to take out their fiefs and not quit the game for 12 months when they lose a few times.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: _GTX_ on May 20, 2014, 11:04:23 am
Greys are going to stay in EU. I talked with Hetman recently and he said he cannot be arsed to come to "McDonalds Land" :D
I know to the majority of you say this is just "a grey saying something that is of no worth anyway because you cannot trust them".
But I have been a Grey myself, I get along very well with Hetman and I fully trust him sticking to his word.

On the other hand, Druzhina I do not really know.
I feel the opposite about Greys and DRZ, so that is kinda funny. I have not been in any of the clans, so that gives me the same perspective on both in a way. Anyway i doubt it that they will bother with going to NA.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Bronto on May 20, 2014, 02:17:14 pm
I think bringing back the shared map, and simplifying Strategus mechanics to make battles more frequent, less demanding of behind the scenes sperging, and generally a more "casual" feel would be the only thing to keep the game alive. Then people could send armies into the Slavic hivemind to take out their fiefs and not quit the game for 12 months when they lose a few times.

This right here is what should've happened this round instead of over complicating everything. Yah it's cool to have ideas and try to implement them in a free mod but sometimes, especially in strat, just because you can do something with your game mode doesn't mean you should.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Tom Cruise on May 20, 2014, 06:23:22 pm
I don't ever actually read the diplomacy threads. I just kind of skim or go straight to the end and post random shit.

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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Keshian on May 20, 2014, 08:27:58 pm

Most NA players would fight side by side, I will go so far to say even factions like Acre and Squids will fight in the same roster to drive Drz back to EU.


I agree except for one caveat.  If you have ever heard Arowaine in ts with Nebun or Hetman - oh my god, he turns into a sniveling worm that begs to lick his master's boots.  Its embarrassing to anyone else from NA to be considered part of the same continent when you hear it.  After UIF wrecked EU strat - if they wanted to ruin the game experience for people on NA strat, Arowaine would stop his 2 year mission to do absolutely nothing on strat except sit around playing trade simulator and would instantly assist in any way possible his masters' every whim.  When it comes to UIF - that man has no self-respect to speak of.  He would quite literally bend over and pull his pants down for them if he ever met them in real life -  (I hear Putin is actually a closet homosexual and a lot of russians try to emulate him).

Just watching UIF beat up all those "tough" ai opponents every day or so, its actually pretty pitiful.  Plate armor against random rosters with weak gear, its amazing so many keep playing a game where they don't do anything challenging.  I guess if you are not very intelligent, its a good mindless entertainment.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: StonedSteel on May 20, 2014, 08:52:08 pm
I say we useless NA fucks let EU invade...i mean if its a EU battle, there might be actual gear to use ( shots fired )

seriously though, this strat is stupid as fuck, so much done to make sure str isnt as dominant this time around, an entire reworking of agi and wpf to make sure str isnt as dominant

Then you jack up the prices to such a point, NA has yet to have a non peasant war battle. Huge advantage for str chars with only peas gear...u devs didnt think about that?

If i want to play peasant wars, i could go to native and do it anytime i want, at least its more fair for peasant wars in native.

crpg? pitchforks and short spears...vs mauls and 2h axes? even with minimal ps that axe is still gonna one hit anything in cloth. now lets say that 2h axer has 12 if / ps...yeah, u and ur puny pointed stick dont stand a chance

this strat is horribad
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Switchtense on May 20, 2014, 09:35:26 pm
I just came up with a new, incredibly innovative solution!

Enjoy it while it lasts. If not UIF, something else will fuck Strat right up anyway.

Whether it be a cool new feature added by the devs (ya right :rolleyes:) or whatever. So just play. If there is a way to improve things yourself, take the chance. If you don't, stop being butthurt. (That was mainly meant for the whiny EUs :D)
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 20, 2014, 11:24:11 pm
Removing my posts from this thread.... Political correctness.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: StonedSteel on May 21, 2014, 01:22:30 am
Kesh, you and your hateful, petty little posts are pathetic. Also, I say that being sober as a bird, so don't expect me to apologize again for publicly calling you out with the truth.

? was there something dishonest or flat out false that Kesh said? Honestly i find his posts refreshing, no bullshit, completely genuine, the man says what he feels and reports on what he sees, with his own unique form of putting people in there place.

Here ill give you an example.

Kinda sucks that horses are so expensive it literally forced Hos off the map, maybe now that they are Tradictans ( my bad, Occitan ) little bitch, maybe they can offord horses now and get back into strat.

Hopefully you get horses soon, everyone knows Hos is useless without cav.

^

petty, hateful , and filled to the brim with the cold hard honest truth.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 21, 2014, 01:37:28 am
Removing my posts from this thread.... Political correctness.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: StonedSteel on May 21, 2014, 02:08:54 am
Woah, buddy went all philosophical on me, umm, i just felt like talking shit with someone. I like how you handled it, i dont really have anywhere to go from here.

Honestly i know dick all about strat \ the factions other then what i hear in the various ts's i find myself in. Im not a credible source of info on how good or bad ANY faction is. Shit is just soo boring right now, i felt like trying to stir something up.

Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 21, 2014, 02:14:23 am
Removing my posts from this thread.... Political correctness.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Jona on May 21, 2014, 02:32:06 am
Fuck... shitposting ending in the shaking of hands? Yep, strat is dead.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: nomad431 on May 22, 2014, 08:20:24 pm
Well i would like to say that Farrix is no longer a hospitaller or in our strat faction. I do not support or agree with his post . Also I do not post on the forums so i must feel strongly for me to do this .
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: nomad431 on May 22, 2014, 08:35:00 pm
Also just so people know who i am . I am Talltree
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 22, 2014, 11:32:05 pm
Removing my posts from this thread.... Political correctness.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on May 22, 2014, 11:53:46 pm
I know everyone is saying strat is dead..... but I think it's fine.  There are no megafactions this time around.  Most people are independent.  It makes it a bit more peaceful because the stakes are higher.  You can't go to war as easily because you might lose everything.  But IMO that makes the game better.  I like high stakes.  When you finally bring all the pieces to the table and gamble on one move which if successful.... means you swing your cock around for a few days.... and if unsuccessful.... means you wasted months of planning......  That's fucking sweet.  I'm a guy who bets high or doesn't bet at all. 

Then again I get off on organizing economies and gear so I guess I'm a total dork. 

As far as EU......

Man you guys have to do something to break up the mega alliance.  I would coordinate one massive assault and put all your cards on the table.  If you win... you win.  If not... then try again next strat.  Fuck it.... go for broke.  You can't let those guys control half the map.  They are only going to get stronger.  Put your differences aside and go fight. 

Then again I don't know much about EU politics so I'm sure it's easier said than done. 
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 23, 2014, 12:16:06 am
Removing my posts from this thread.... Political correctness.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Adoptagoat on May 23, 2014, 03:09:11 am
Farrix. You deleted a dozen posts, you started this, you continued it, stand by your statements, or don't post at all. Believe it or not, it's ok to have opinions.

I think it's been sufficiently said that UIF won't end strat early this year.

 I also think an influx of EU immigrants is a good thing for NA strat (which is decent so far this round). The refugee EUs will either A: become divisive and involved with NA politics. I'd like to refer you to smooth's post on page 4 as to why 2.0 was the best.
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NA and EU clans had fluid alliances, finding cross time-zone merc support, bailouts of gold and tickets, and hilarious scheming sessions in TS.
Or B: The EUs will form some sort of Golden Horde to our west. Hell, my holdings are west, that sounds fun, and I think a majority of NA would contribute to the cause of defending the New World.
The former sounds more likely to me.

Edit: Oh, but yeah, fuck UIF.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 23, 2014, 03:49:11 am
I appreciate your statement, But I don't wanna lose my tag. I've been hospitaller for far too long to be finding some other group to play with. As mentioned in the deleted posts... "Political Correctness."
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 23, 2014, 04:06:31 am
Aight, EU folks and NA folks...I have 5000 trade goods that the Seljuks are about to steal from me. Seeing as how I am on my own now...Whichever clan brings the most mercenaries to my battle tomorrow at 5pm Central Time NA http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1382, I will immediately bring those goods to a point of your choosing. Also, If anyone would like to volunteer a TS channel that we may congregate in for the battle, that would be swell, please message me on here. The army is armed for all classes. Now seeing as my situation with Hospi could possibly change in the short term, if the situation changes, a post will be laid out here henceforth.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Cicero on May 23, 2014, 08:08:45 am
Aight, EU folks and NA folks...I have 5000 trade goods that the Seljuks are about to steal from me. Seeing as how I am on my own now...Whichever clan brings the most mercenaries to my battle tomorrow at 5pm Central Time NA http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1382, I will immediately bring those goods to a point of your choosing. Also, If anyone would like to volunteer a TS channel that we may congregate in for the battle, that would be swell, please message me on here. The army is armed for all classes. Now seeing as my situation with Hospi could possibly change in the short term, if the situation changes, a post will be laid out here henceforth.
My sultan wishes you dead ; Inshallah.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: HardRice on May 23, 2014, 11:33:25 am
Aight, EU folks and NA folks...I have 5000 trade goods that the Seljuks are about to steal from me. Seeing as how I am on my own now...Whichever clan brings the most mercenaries to my battle tomorrow at 5pm Central Time NA http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesupcoming#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=1382, I will immediately bring those goods to a point of your choosing. Also, If anyone would like to volunteer a TS channel that we may congregate in for the battle, that would be swell, please message me on here. The army is armed for all classes. Now seeing as my situation with Hospi could possibly change in the short term, if the situation changes, a post will be laid out here henceforth.

This post is more likely to get you jumped by someone else if you actually win. Which you probably won't.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 23, 2014, 01:07:13 pm
well I am up shit creek without a paddle. So I really doubt it'd make much of a difference. Thanks for the kick though, I was nearly back on my feet. (believe it or not, there is a great sense of humor I've had throughout this, explanations coming later)
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Smoothrich on May 23, 2014, 03:15:09 pm
well I am up shit creek without a paddle. So I really doubt it'd make much of a difference. Thanks for the kick though, I was nearly back on my feet. (believe it or not, there is a great sense of humor I've had throughout this, explanations coming later)

Your posting sounds like a middle aged man about to have a psychotic breakdown. Step away from the internet, grab a gun, and go to your nearest elementary school, you'll figure the rest out

Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 23, 2014, 04:09:13 pm
Hahaha yeah I suppose it does. Battle will be over tonight, I'll clear my end up.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on May 23, 2014, 04:19:24 pm
Your posting sounds like a middle aged man about to have a psychotic breakdown. Step away from the internet, grab a gun, and go to your nearest elementary school, you'll figure the rest out


lol.  That's so fucked up yet funny as hell. 
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: HarunYahya on May 24, 2014, 12:43:14 am
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Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Holiday203 on May 24, 2014, 12:55:52 am
About Time
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Goretooth on May 24, 2014, 02:36:32 am
well I am up shit creek without a paddle. So I really doubt it'd make much of a difference. Thanks for the kick though, I was nearly back on my feet. (believe it or not, there is a great sense of humor I've had throughout this, explanations coming later)
To be honest I hope you don't return. Stealing all of Eu's s&d just for yourself and not ever helping the clan is a great move... Coming into ts only when you are attacked and crying for help is a nice touch on top of being told before not to start threads like this.
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Farrix on May 24, 2014, 03:14:30 am
Dude, you got no idea what you're talking about. That EU trip, though you were probably told that I was operating on my own...I was instructed to go to EU, get S/D and bring it back to the clan, as I had before. I was also equipped by Arrowaine at the bequest of Talltree and both were very well informed that I was travelling to EU. Don't try to turn me into some devil here. Fuckin misinformation. Ya'll acting like pre-adolescent girls. Never helping the clan? Where do you come up with this bullshit man?
Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: Goretooth on May 24, 2014, 03:15:19 am
Dude, you got no idea what you're talking about. That EU trip, though you were probably told that I was operating on my own...I was instructed to go to EU, get S/D and bring it back to the clan, as I had before. I was also equipped by Arrowaine at the bequest of Talltree and both were very well informed that I was travelling to EU. Don't try to turn me into some devil here. Fuckin misinformation. Ya'll acting like pre-adolescent girls. Never helping the clan? Where do you come up with this bullshit man?
Facts
TallTree: no one told him to go over and steal from every clan over there lol
Goretooth: rofl

Being told several times not to make threads like this and getting kicked out is a good indicator that you are warping the "Fuckin misinformation" to seek your needs  whatever those may be. Also you doing this in another strat i'm gonna put money on what arrowaine, talltree, and a few family members I have in some EU clans have told me in regards to what you have done this strat.

Title: Re: NA strat is about to be boned from the events of EU strat
Post by: arowaine on May 24, 2014, 03:38:41 am
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well done i like the referance to medieval total war 2 :D make it nice