But seriously, that one officer who get nervous and shot making the others join in should get his firearm license suspended and put on street duty.Wut? Everyone is responsible for their own shots. Cops are accountable for every shot they fire. Blaming one officer for everyone else's shooting is stupid.
Wut? Everyone is responsible for their own shots. Cops are accountable for every shot they fire. Blaming one officer for everyone else's shooting is stupid.
But seriously, that one officer who get nervous and shot making the others join in should get his firearm license suspended and put on street duty. There were probably 3 - 6 police cars following the chase but making 23 officers aim at a disabled car (no knowledge if the suspects have weapons or not) just to fire a second time when they put their arms up. Really sad that uncontrollable "retards" are put in the police force with guns who fall under too pressure.
Do you know how much pressure is on every one of the officers in a situation like that? Of course every officer is responsible for his own actions, but it will always start with the first joint. The one officer who fell over to the pressure first is in my eyes the most guilty one.
they have the weapons in the trunk locked with a key they themselves have to unlock, meaning they can't draw a pistol from their belt and be nervous pussies and shoot without checking.
Do you know how much pressure is on every one of the officers in a situation like that? Of course every officer is responsible for his own actions, but it will always start with the first joint. The one officer who fell over to the pressure first is in my eyes the most guilty one. This often happens with a large number of people not communicating properly, for example WW1 and the consequences lack of communication resulted in thousands of lives lost. They are all as guilty but I'm saying that the one who fell for the pressure first made the other officers shoot. I doubt they would actually shoot if that one guy didn't slip his trigger.No, nobody made the officers shoot but themselves. Everyone is responsible for their own trigger finger.
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Classic reflex shooting situation+everyone around assumed a threat = supporting fire. Multiply by everyone around who fell into it, and you have a lot of firepower thrown around... in that case, without reasons.If those were Dutch cops not a shot would have been fired. Murica gets bad rep like this because their law enforcement has a different and retarded mentality and many officers have terrible gun discipline.
Put a US cop or any other country cops with a gun in his hand, in the same situation (robbery+chase+showdown and no indication on armed or unarmed), you would have the same result.
[...]that one officer who get nervous and shot making the others join in [...]
Damn you Christo, I wanted to post that gif after reading this:
yeah, u know. take a hostage, shoot a cop, steal 2 cars(1 belong to the shot officer), still has the officer's gun on him and not complying with the officers. "doesnt deserve to be shot"What the fuck are you talking about? "Doesn't deserve to be shot?" Did you know that the US has courts too? The cops don't act as judge, jury and executioner... and I'm pretty sure their textbooks don't say "shoot an unarmed guy 400 times if he did something bad earlier"
And if it happened in France all cars would be in flames right now.
You forgot to mention that the "possible suspect" was a drug addict, tried to rob a pharmacy, held a woman hostage at gunpoint, shot a cop, stole his car, and stole his gun. Then, when cops had him pinned, was not compliant with their commands to raise his hand, WAS armed and exchanged gunfire with them. Here's an article with more detail. http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/10/3809575/3-officers-shot-in-northwest-miami.html
Nah the supect would have surrendered...and the policemen...and all civilians in vicinity...What an original joke, I have never heard it before, hur dur dur
What an original joke, I have never heard it before, hur dur dur
yeah, u know. take a hostage, shoot a cop, steal 2 cars(1 belong to the shot officer), still has the officer's gun on him and not complying with the officers. "doesnt deserve to be shot"
"doesn't deserve trial"Just another crazy drug addict dead imo.
And a few cops almost dead from each other's bullets...almost dead? a leg wound and a flesh wound isn't close to being a deadly shot.
You're either trolling or retarded. Not sure which; the comment above is approaching levels of retardation that even I find hard to believe to be genuine...if you think a leg would or a flesh would is close to fatal, then you're the retarded one.
On the off-chance you really are retarded, a bullet that wasn't aimed grazing someone's head is "not even close to being a deadly shot"? And someone being shot in the leg, again, not aimed, isn't close to a deadly shot? It'd have been just as likely that the bullet would have hit that cop in the chest or the head seeing as, again, it wasn't aimed, so the shooter did not carefully select leg as his target, nor did the other shooter choose to only touch another cop's head with his bullet a little. It's a small miracle more cops weren't hit with so much bullets down range.
if you think a leg would or a flesh would is close to fatal, then you're the retarded one.I feel confident to say that you didn't get his point.
i agree the situation was retarded, in no way should the officers be in eachother's crossfire, maybe they're the retarded ones. but they 2 officers only received minor wounds.
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Next time there will be a shootout, Xant will be sure to be there verifying if every surfaces in a 1km radius are properly positioned so that no bullets stray off course.
Next time there will be a shootout, Xant will be sure to be there verifying if every surfaces in a 1km radius are properly positioned so that no bullets stray off course.Oh look, it's a proper retard get-together in here. Butan the masteretard acting as if 400 bullets fired (in 20 seconds against people not shooting back) in an even ground O-shaped ambush is people being just a little out of position...
But he's right, almost 400 bullets to stop a car and 2 wounded cops, that's just hilarious.
its really not all that overwhelming, there was 23 officers, firing 377 rounds, which is around 14 rounds per person, considering they are more then likely carrying .40cal glocks, they hold 15+1. They all fired nearly an entire magazines worth each. So thinking about it from that perspective, a single magazine isnt really all that much from a single shooter, so its not as insane as your making it out to be. But hey play it up, i dont see why these threads surprise anyone, we have one of these every other week or so.
377 rounds. Anti, that's INSANE, no matter the circumstance.
Oh boy, another anti-american thread by some bored europoors. No one cares.It really isn't anti-American. There are plenty of American forums that are pissed off about this very same bit of news. It's more anti-current-american-LE.
Not anti-american, as long as your cops are shooting each other and homeless americans then we love america!
Just keep doing what you're doing. 2nd Amendment 'n' all that. (ps. i'm with ya, i reckon you need MORE guns and less training, to guarantee maximum freedom).
What? The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with this.. I'm pretty sure in most decent first-world countries the police is armed.
We let you go when we realized you would never join our Rugby, Football and Cricket leagues like the rest of the Empire did, true story
You could not be trained... so we began taxing you like crazy to see if you'd notice and declare independence - y'know, save us from disowning you and looking like a jerk.
Fun fact, the British Empire was created because Britain got tired of playing the Welsh teams at Football, Rugby and Cricket every single year. Trade was a hidden motive to educate and train India, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand to make badass sports teams and take part in our competitions.
Well I think the US is to far gone in terms of gun ownership to risk disarming the police.
As much as I would love for the US to be able to viable strip gun owners of their weapons and as a result disarm the police, doing so is simply not viable due to the number of people who will likely own a gun with no official record of it being kept.
The UK has an advantage in that gun ownership simply is not a thing bar a few criminals and in some cases for hunting. As such arming the police isn't really necessary in the day to day running of a police force.
Really its fucking frustrating. Also I'm an anti-gun progressive and I'm wanting to buy a handgun myself because most American cities are so shitty and overrun with violence and crime, you start to feel like you need a gun just to protect yourself. I just don't want crazies or criminals with guns.. which leads to every local small town police force having AFV's, M4's, body armor, drones, broad wiretapping.. then you run the chance of being murdered by a gangbanger, methhead, or a cop who assumes you are one of those and opens fire.. ugh
(which says "well-regulated" right in it lol)Yes, just like Lord of the Rings says "einstein is God" if you take letters out of context. The well regulated part is about a militia, and after it comes the important part:
Guns go bang. I like bang.
Really its fucking frustrating. Also I'm an anti-gun progressive and I'm wanting to buy a handgun myself because most American cities are so shitty and overrun with violence and crime, you start to feel like you need a gun just to protect yourself. I just don't want crazies or criminals with guns.. which leads to every local small town police force having AFV's, M4's, body armor, drones, broad wiretapping.. then you run the chance of being murdered by a gangbanger, methhead, or a cop who assumes you are one of those and opens fire.. ugh
Yes, just like Lord of the Rings says "einstein is God" if you take letters out of context. The well regulated part is about a militia, and after it comes the important part:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Well regulated means "disciplined" or "trained."
I've always interpreted that as the right to bear and keep arms being contingent on the context of a militia. i.e that the important part of the amendment was that gun ownership is necessary only insofar as it leads to the maintenance of a well-regulated militia for the defense of the state, not because Average Joe has the inalienable god-given right to go out in the desert to shoot at car wrecks with his buddies while drinking a sixpack. As far as I see it as soon as the US started mantaining a standing army the entire point of the second amendment became moot.
And that it obviously failed spectacularly, if it was supposed to prevent the creation of a standing army. Could it possibly be the Founding Fathers were not angels filled with divine enlightenment, but just faillable men? GASP
I've always interpreted that as the right to bear and keep arms being contingent on the context of a militia. i.e that the important part of the amendment was that gun ownership is necessary only insofar as it leads to the maintenance of a well-regulated militia for the defense of the state, not because Average Joe has the inalienable god-given right to go out in the desert to shoot at car wrecks with his buddies while drinking a sixpack. As far as I see it as soon as the US started mantaining a standing army the entire point of the second amendment became moot.That's not US's Supreme Court's interpretation, though.
In that case consider the lack of guns in the UK as a deterrent too, cos i wouldnt consider our government to be more tyrannical or freedom-hating than your average.
And saying 'We cant 100% stop murder so why even bother?' i mean.... wut? Crime is a numbers game and making your country as safe as possible should be a goal everyone shares. If guns are publicly available then a lot of people die, that isn't theoretical it's gun-crime statistics.
In the UK you can't just go and buy a gun cos you've had a bad day. They're still probably available on the black market, but that already rules out a large % of potential buyers. In theory you could still be shot by someone who got a gun illegally in the UK, in reality it doesnt really happen and you're probably in more danger of strangling yourself putting your socks on. The worst we get are shotguns that farmers own, weapons that are kinda hard to conceal.
If i had kids in the US i'd wanna homeschool them, on the offchance that some deranged retard decides to go have a shooting spree, killed by a sweaty nerd is the least dignified way to go (Yes, know i know, it COULD happen anywhere, but newflash it DOESNT happen anywhere else, only in that dirtbag country). Then put up with the insult of having the outraged country demand more guns to make 'murrica safer. I like Americans, it's a shame they care more about a constitution than they do about their own lives and the lives of their families.
The media is responsible too, there's no doubt of that. And saying it's just guns would be oversimplifying it, but the fact remains that it wouldnt be possible if guns were controlled better.
Again, there's no easy solution cos there are already so many in circulation. If you were starting again from scratch it would be simpler.
Know how many "school massacres" we had before 1990? 0. But after the "Columbine Massacre" we have had 5 "Massacres" since then. (though it looks like there has been)
Also, not very sure of the validity but:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund
Apparently both Germany and Great Britain have(had actually) the worst Elementry school shootings. Only Newton beat those. Actually, the Newtown shooting was a case of the gun control laws working as intended. The mother was a Proper and safe gun owner. The Gun store refused to sell the gun citing bad history and some mental isssues. The problem was that the mother doesn't expect her own son to kill her and then do that and that is a fault of mental illness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States