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Title: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Fips on May 09, 2014, 04:39:36 pm
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(Disregard the second longsword caption, it's a two handed sword or something since he's holding it with both hands while not blocking/attacking, but not my point)

Nerf 2h! But especially Dadao/Miadao. Actually, just Dadao/Miadao should suffice. Nerf it into oblivion. European Knights using this shit all over the place on EU2 and it makes my eyes bleed evertim.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Zhyang on May 09, 2014, 04:41:08 pm
2h hard
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Mlekce on May 09, 2014, 04:45:37 pm
I would give all my looms (all 13 ones) for a heavy nerf of katana.  EU2 is spam feast anyway.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Fips on May 09, 2014, 05:17:51 pm
I would give all my looms (all 13 ones) for a heavy nerf of katana.  EU2 is spam feast anyway.

Katana at least doesn't hit as hard. Has that nasty ghostreach as well because of the curve, but still. The speed is not so much of a problem simply because the BS/HBS got that, too.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 09, 2014, 05:31:59 pm
Lol dat Neonazi 2h master aryan race gathering
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Joseph Porta on May 09, 2014, 05:42:59 pm
Nerf miadao to shit and watch them start sucking
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2014, 05:51:19 pm
Da Dao and Miao Dao are fine. They may hit a little harder than the longsword, but longsword still is a lot faster in speed.  Also a lot of people use the other big 2H swords like the Danish.  Those big 2H have way more reach than these two swords, and also have the stab function. The Dao is made only for slashing.  The Da Dao literally means "Big Blade", how can you expect a big blade to hit lightly. And the Miao Dao is like a longer version of a Kantana, almost like Nodachi, so it's ok.  These blades are fine.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Fips on May 09, 2014, 05:59:12 pm
Da Dao and Miao Dao are fine. They may hit a little harder than the longsword, but longsword still is a lot faster in speed.  Also a lot of people use the other big 2H swords like the Danish.  Those big 2H have way more reach than these two swords, and also have the stab function. The Dao is made only for slashing.  The Da Dao literally means "Big Blade", how can you expect a big blade to hit lightly. And the Miao Dao is like a longer version of a Kantana, almost like Nodachi, so it's ok.  These blades are fine.

Yes, they can hit hard. But they are way too fast.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Varadin on May 09, 2014, 06:14:58 pm
Ye ye everything is gay , archers are my old friends, polearms abusers, 2h spammers , xbow gaylord snipers , cav idiots , bal ba bla......They are all good players who know how to use that specific kind of weapon , i can bet that even if they nerf archery Eldar Boss, Bagge and rest of pro archers would still dominate as they do now, also for 2h and polearms, just stop whining and keep playing ;)

p.s This will look arrogant but i don't care, i can use any 2h i would still do the same Fips, no matter if its midiao ,dadao,bardiche or some random low tier 2h wep
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Tiger on May 09, 2014, 06:17:09 pm
Slashing weapons are made to be used to slash fast, most likely faster than the European big/heavy 2H swords. And the longsword is still faster though.
I hear the Long Axe is becoming the new Longsword, that may be a problem :P

Yes, they can hit hard. But they are way too fast.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Gurnisson on May 09, 2014, 06:17:16 pm
Mad cuz bad. I blame Fips
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Rebelyell on May 09, 2014, 06:20:09 pm
Miadao and dadao are just op.
I have no idea why you have to meake that weapons super uber spam master with so high dmg speed and  lenght,
lack of stab is not answer for that, just give it stab with some katana alike shitty stats and bring that weapon to the line.

Balanced 2h axes are plain bulshit, I loved them way before 2h war axe was the best weapon in strat for a long long time.
I never had any problem with them, I always felt like that weapons play big role in niche as good CQC spamable short shieldbreakers, in case of dmg barmace and morningstar always outclased them.

Buff for beck or short poleaxes is just beyond me, that speed. dmg....

I feel like that game is fucking hamburger nowdays, maybe it taste good but there is just shitload of bulschit in it.
I will just go to other restaurant.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: San on May 09, 2014, 06:47:32 pm
Convince me how the miaodao is better than the long axe, even the flambard.

I never really liked the weapons either after they were buffed a few years ago, but you can't deny the existence of other weapons that are just as good. LS/miaodao etc got buffed, then all these other weapons got buffed to follow suit.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Joseph Porta on May 09, 2014, 06:49:14 pm
being unfairly mad about things is fucking legit reason to make these post dude. undeserved nerfs is like a trademark here anyways  :twisted:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 06:58:02 pm
All these people in your picture got troubles keeping up a positive k/d ratio unless that's Varadin in the center
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Teeth on May 09, 2014, 08:44:46 pm
I think Tydeus(?) made a big mistake with buffing many 110-120 reach 2h to ridiculous speeds. Especially when compared to 1h. Whenever I play swashbuckler I feel outclassed on all fronts now, not even the sweet 1h animations can prevent the playstyle from feeling pointless compared to 2h. A 96 speed Miaodao and a 97 speed Nordic Champion Sword, hahwat? Other weapons that I find have ridiculously good speed/length/damage ratios in the 2h category are the Greatsword, Sword of War, Flambard, Dadao. I thought he did a 1 speed buff accross the board, but he might have done more to 2h.

Just because NA is too retarded to realize that long 2h weapons are fucking awesome doesn't mean these weapons were bad. Now they completely outshine comparable weapons in the other categories. With the German and Danish on 91 speed, all the other greatswords should be 92-93 and the Miaodao should be 95 at most with the Dadao being 93 with higher weight and 2-3 more cut damage than the Miaodao, as the model suggests.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Mlekce on May 09, 2014, 08:48:54 pm
Katana at least doesn't hit as hard. Has that nasty ghostreach as well because of the curve, but still. The speed is not so much of a problem simply because the BS/HBS got that, too.

+3 katana have 41 cut,it is like you get hit with +3 poleaxe. it is fast and doing a lot of dmg.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: _GTX_ on May 09, 2014, 09:37:32 pm
Here we go again. I am just gonna use the sentence, which seems to fit every balancing discussion: ''Get a shield''.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Bronto on May 09, 2014, 09:47:09 pm
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(Disregard the second longsword caption, it's a two handed sword or something since he's holding it with both hands while not blocking/attacking, but not my point)

Nerf 2h! But especially Dadao/Miadao. Actually, just Dadao/Miadao should suffice. Nerf it into oblivion. European Knights using this shit all over the place on EU2 and it makes my eyes bleed evertim.

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Why is everyone always worried about their immersion in EU! Who gives A SHIT. Play game, have fun, the end.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Grumbs on May 09, 2014, 09:49:08 pm
I think Tydeus(?) made a big mistake with buffing many 110-120 reach 2h to ridiculous speeds. Especially when compared to 1h. Whenever I play swashbuckler I feel outclassed on all fronts now, not even the sweet 1h animations can prevent the playstyle from feeling pointless compared to 2h. A 96 speed Miaodao and a 97 speed Nordic Champion Sword, hahwat? Other weapons that I find have ridiculously good speed/length/damage ratios in the 2h category are the Greatsword, Sword of War, Flambard, Dadao. I thought he did a 1 speed buff accross the board, but he might have done more to 2h.

Just because NA is too retarded to realize that long 2h weapons are fucking awesome doesn't mean these weapons were bad. Now they completely outshine comparable weapons in the other categories. With the German and Danish on 91 speed, all the other greatswords should be 92-93 and the Miaodao should be 95 at most with the Dadao being 93 with higher weight and 2-3 more cut damage than the Miaodao, as the model suggests.

I don't see why 1 handers should be as good as 2 handers. They are 1 slot (or 0) and allow you to take ranged weapons and/or a shield

Not that I think 1 handers by themselves are bad in any case, they are still very good

If 2 handers are too good them buff polearms, not 1 hand. That just buffs ranged and 1 hand w/ shield is already really strong.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: San on May 09, 2014, 09:56:22 pm
I would prefer the old stats, but many things were buffed


Miaodao
weapon length: 115
weight: 2.8
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 95
weapon length: 115
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
8,376

These were the late 2011 stats.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Joseph Porta on May 09, 2014, 09:59:19 pm
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Why is everyone always worried about their immersion in EU! Who gives A SHIT. Play game, have fun, the end.

U so wronk m8
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Grumbs on May 09, 2014, 10:03:24 pm
I don't think internal 2 hand balance is too bad, but poles should get something for losing their micro stun on each hit. Maybe +1 more speed for weapons under 95 speed
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: San on May 09, 2014, 10:06:09 pm
They already received +1 speed, unless you mean another +1 speed on top of the one they already received a few months ago?
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Gurnisson on May 09, 2014, 10:06:39 pm
I would prefer the old stats, but many things were buffed


Miaodao
weapon length: 115
weight: 2.8
difficulty: 12
speed rating: 95
weapon length: 115
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
8,376

These were the late 2011 stats.

Which would make them complete garbage compared to greatswords.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Grumbs on May 09, 2014, 10:10:43 pm
They already received +1 speed, unless you mean another +1 speed on top of the one they already received a few months ago?

Yep, or give them back the small stun
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: wayyyyyne on May 09, 2014, 10:18:55 pm
christ please no
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Bronto on May 09, 2014, 10:38:41 pm
Give them run.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Macropus on May 09, 2014, 10:44:07 pm
I would give all my looms (all 13 ones) for a heavy nerf of katana.  EU2 is spam feast anyway.
See what you have done, Sinisstra and Porthos? Good job guys.  :evil:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Gurnisson on May 09, 2014, 11:06:40 pm
I would give all my looms (all 13 ones) for a heavy nerf of katana.  EU2 is spam feast anyway.

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Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2014, 12:14:57 am
The miaodao should lose one speed and the dadao be balanced accordingly. A stab isn't worth top tier speed, damage and reach at the same time. Unless you are bad that is. And hell, miadao and dadao users are baaaaaaaaaad.

The heavy weapon speed buff was a general disaster anyway. It's not like I expect things to go the right way now.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Tiger on May 10, 2014, 12:20:17 am
It is a spam fest, not because of the sword, but because of their builds.

I would give all my looms (all 13 ones) for a heavy nerf of katana.  EU2 is spam feast anyway.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Jona on May 10, 2014, 12:22:39 am
Where the fuck is the video?
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Jarlek on May 10, 2014, 12:27:43 am
2h hard, yo.

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Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Thomek on May 10, 2014, 01:08:44 am
For some reason, chinese swords DON'T pay the weaboo tax in performance..

Buff katana stab. 18p is retarded.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 10, 2014, 01:09:07 am
I see no Abdulla which brings tears into my eye  :cry:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Lannistark on May 10, 2014, 01:30:40 am
I see no Abdulla which brings tears into my eye  :cry:

Cry of joy instead friend, as only those worthy shall bear mighty Abdullah. Miodao and Dadao are lowland mercenary weapons and Longswords are just like dildos: funny but of no use to a man.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Kirman on May 10, 2014, 02:02:31 am
Stop complaining about the weapons.. Just nerf the backwards speed  :lol:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Trikipum on May 10, 2014, 02:54:33 am
Katana at least doesn't hit as hard. Has that nasty ghostreach as well because of the curve, but still. The speed is not so much of a problem simply because the BS/HBS got that, too.
an agi whore with ps 5 hit me today with a katana in my arm for 80% of my hp, in a single swing. Im str 21 with IF7 and i had 65 armor..... the agi damage bonus is completely retarded...
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Trikipum on May 10, 2014, 03:06:18 am
For some reason, chinese swords DON'T pay the weaboo tax in performance..

Buff katana stab. 18p is retarded.
Yes, a katana is not designed specially for stabbing  but its not that bad at it in rl. About 22 would be a good number for it i think
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 10, 2014, 03:14:16 am
Cry of joy instead friend, as only those worthy shall bear mighty Abdullah. Miodao and Dadao are lowland mercenary weapons and Longswords are just like dildos: funny but of no use to a man.
So Duke, when are you going to leave your Long Hafted Dildo and start climbing steps towards manhood by grabbing Mighty Great Long Bardiche ?

Stop complaining about the weapons.. Just nerf the backwards speed  :lol:
STFU 1h scum, form a shield wall that's enough for your class  :twisted:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Sparvico on May 10, 2014, 04:38:56 am
You know in this community OP doesn't seem to mean Over Powered, it just means Over Played. Weapons that are simply mediocre will always catch a great deal of flak if enough people play them. So many people can block quite well now that sacrificing an entire attack direction for a decently fast and still heavy hitting weapon is really quite fine.

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Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Lannistark on May 10, 2014, 05:48:30 pm
For me 2h is not the master race anymore. Perhaps it was, yes, but it has been nerfed to its knees. Only the fanatics insist in remaining loyal to their 2h fanatism. I used to play 2h for the most. I then decided to give polearm a try and guess what, I like it a lot more than 2h now.

Polearm is way more fun and intuitive: feinting is far more useful than in 2h and still gets some people, holding and playing with angles is nice, stunning with the weight is useful, and you can always try your luck outreaching. 1h is awesome so no further comment on that. Regardless for me 2h has become the less "encouraging" class to play. Everyone is so used to fighting 2h since there are so many of them that it's not really effective anymore.

To all the 2h users, have a go at polearm or 1h, you won't be let down I promise.

@Harun: It's under consideration  :P
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Tindel on May 11, 2014, 11:52:31 am
He wants them nerfed because he doesnt like the graphic on them.
This is number one priority for an HRE member dontyaknow.

Turn them into gigantic german zweihanders/messers and its aaaaaaalll gooooood.
Or huge flopping dildos maybe?
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 11, 2014, 12:21:18 pm
the funny thing is there are not a single person with highland claymore that in my opinion is better than dadao and miaodao(those 2sm are matter, fuck gay speed)
and ofc nerf longsword and katana! rly bullshit weapons

btw  statistic says that people mostly crying about classes that killing them... i am pretty sure that you wont find 2h who is crying alot about 2hs but about archers. shielders are crying about archers not as much as about 2hs and poles. idk why poles are crying about 2hs when those classes are pretty similar. imho poles are better in groupfighting and a bit worse in 1vs1
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Angantyr on May 11, 2014, 12:52:58 pm
It's cRPG fashion.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Sniger on May 11, 2014, 05:45:21 pm
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Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: BlueKnight on May 11, 2014, 07:20:59 pm
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watta...

Dat dual wielder and Eagle of Freedom though...
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on May 13, 2014, 01:01:38 am
I think Tydeus(?) made a big mistake with buffing many 110-120 reach 2h to ridiculous speeds. Especially when compared to 1h. Whenever I play swashbuckler I feel outclassed on all fronts now, not even the sweet 1h animations can prevent the playstyle from feeling pointless compared to 2h. A 96 speed Miaodao and a 97 speed Nordic Champion Sword, hahwat? Other weapons that I find have ridiculously good speed/length/damage ratios in the 2h category are the Greatsword, Sword of War, Flambard, Dadao. I thought he did a 1 speed buff accross the board, but he might have done more to 2h.

I don't think 1h should be compared to other weapons, they are not made for duel. They are like hoplite build, of course it's hard to duel with them but when it comes to ganking, they are just perfect. Or even in big messy melee, when 2h and polearm are blocked by someone too close (or usually a friendly shielder hiding behind your ass), the 1h is good.

About the comparison polearme-2h , I think they are just the same. The longsword might be a little too fast tho (but it's also possible that we have difficulties to block them because of the 1h-2h animation that it shares with the bastard sword) . Concerning the miadao and dadao, the animation is so easy to read, that it's not very difficult to counter them (they are part of the tiny group of weapon that i'm able to chamber  :oops:)
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Chosen1 on May 13, 2014, 01:25:54 am
I think my biggest frustration with this mod is when I am dueling a 2hand 2hard master race and I swing at him, and he swings in the same direction to chamber my swing but his swing finishes before mine does and he hits me.

Honestly, that double swing bullshit needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Herezy92 on May 13, 2014, 09:19:54 am
I think my biggest frustration with this mod is when I am dueling a 2hand 2hard master race and I swing at him, and he swings in the same direction to chamber my swing but his swing finishes before mine does and he hits me.

Honestly, that double swing bullshit needs to be fixed.

If i understood you correctly, this "double swing bulsshit" is called chamber, and it's an important part of the gameplay. :)
In this chamber, your hit is blocked, and his weapon reachs you immediatly after it.
So it can't be "fixed" because it's intentional.

FrenchKiss
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Angantyr on May 13, 2014, 10:03:40 am
European Knights using this shit all over the place on EU2 and it makes my eyes bleed evertim.
qft
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Teeth on May 13, 2014, 10:13:04 am
I think my biggest frustration with this mod is when I am dueling a 2hand 2hard master race and I swing at him, and he swings in the same direction to chamber my swing but his swing finishes before mine does and he hits me.

Honestly, that double swing bullshit needs to be fixed.
Think you are not turning into your swings properly or you aren't describing the situation right. Even with a Long Maul someone with a Longsword would not hit me first if he reacts to my swing and does a chamber attempt, unless I try to hit in the last bit of my animation or obviously if I feint or hold. You do a chamber attempt when the incoming swing is nearly halfway, you cannot outspeed it with any combination of weapons.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Paul on May 13, 2014, 11:33:54 am
I just used my free respec to change to 2h. No nerfs for those until I respec.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: pro.fail on May 13, 2014, 11:38:46 am
Hax. Abuse. Ban.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: karasu on May 13, 2014, 12:47:34 pm
Every-time I see a character with European armor wielding Chinese weaponry (dadaos/miaoderps) I die a bit inside.

Having such disgraceful fashion taste should award heavy penalties to the user.


 :|
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Cicero on May 13, 2014, 01:06:04 pm
Every-time I see a character with European armor wielding Chinese weaponry (dadaos/miaoderps) I die a bit inside.

Having such disgraceful fashion taste should award heavy penalties to the user.


 :|
Those are islamic not chinese

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Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Tiger on May 13, 2014, 05:02:40 pm
Those are islamic not chinese

Those are Chinese too. It's literally in Chinese pronunciation.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Lannistark on May 13, 2014, 05:18:11 pm
I just used my free respec to change to 2h. No nerfs for those until I respec.

Sure.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Angantyr on May 13, 2014, 05:49:07 pm
Those are islamic not chinese

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Yes, I imagine them being Islamic culture instead of Chinese. It helps a bit.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 13, 2014, 07:40:05 pm
Asian stuff is cancer in this mod.
Think of them as Islamic and profit  :wink:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Lecram on May 13, 2014, 10:01:00 pm
Forget To nerf 2h just buff the Heavy Lance  :D
enveryone will use a Pike on the Servers or respec to polearm  :twisted:

(No joke but balance this weapon, atleast less repair costs!!)
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Franke on May 13, 2014, 10:33:00 pm
Damn, I should visit the (non-spam and non-off-topic) forum more often. An admin creating a "QQ-nerf" thread is a rare sight...
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: HarunYahya on May 14, 2014, 09:16:46 am
Yeah Fips, next time ban those zweihanders instead !  :twisted:
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Angantyr on May 14, 2014, 10:41:33 am
+1 for avatar Lecram, you've always used cool gear.
Title: Re: Secret footage of a masterrace gathering on EU2!
Post by: Lecram on May 14, 2014, 10:16:35 pm
+1 for avatar Lecram, you've always used cool gear.

Thank you mate :-)