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Title: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 04, 2014, 02:36:07 pm
People have millions of gold. No problem to play tincan+tinhorse 24/7. Too much cav. Yes, its called MOUNT & blade, but the unique in Warband is the melee part. Personally i like a balanced team, i dont want cav to be removed, i like cav, cav is essential on any battlefield. But its getting out of hand. Id hate to see cRPG where everyone level 20+ were cav.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on April 04, 2014, 02:37:51 pm
Quote from: Sniger on April 04, 2014, 02:36:07 pm
People have millions of gold. No problem to play tincan+tinhorse 24/7. Too much cav. Yes, its called MOUNT & blade, but the unique in Warband is the melee part. Personally i like a balanced team, i dont want cav to be removed, i like cav, cav is essential on any battlefield. But its getting out of hand. Id hate to see cRPG where everyone level 20+ were cav.
If people have millions of gold, how is increasing upkeep for horses going to solve anything, m8?
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 04, 2014, 02:39:54 pm
Wouldnt change anything from day 1 of course, logically....
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Miwiw on April 04, 2014, 02:40:26 pm
I don't think increasing upkeep would really help. Whoever wants to play cav, does it. If you pay upkeep for your horse 3 times a map (if a map takes 4 to 7 rounds) it isn't a lot. Many people have no problem to pay upkeep for most horses, hell, some even use a plated charger for hours.

Playing infantry has to be made more attractive.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Aksei on April 04, 2014, 03:05:54 pm
if you want to deal with massive cav, then make every horse +1 riding requirement. If someone want to be cav, he should choose cav.

upkeep hits most the new or "life payer"
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on April 04, 2014, 04:01:27 pm
Fuck you, I dont have millions of gold, I play a little cav and then need to farm gold again with cheapass gear.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Latvian on April 04, 2014, 04:09:51 pm
i just sell one of my loompoints wehn i am low on money, increasing horse upkeep wont change anything, i will still ride plated charger and bump people like vidar till death. Plated charger is already 4.5k upkeep, if it becomes even more expensive it should not be rearable than.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 04, 2014, 04:21:13 pm
Quote from: Latvian on April 04, 2014, 04:09:51 pm
Plated charger is already 4.5k upkeep, if it becomes even more expensive it should not be rearable than.

please set it 10k upkeep and keep it rearable
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Tzar on April 04, 2014, 05:34:24 pm
Go suck a d!ck Sniger.

Cav is fuckin expensive all ready, plus you whiny qq whores all ready made sure, the map rotation is full of inf gangbang maps.... with no room for cav anyways. So give it a rest..
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Penitent on April 04, 2014, 05:56:37 pm
Cav is fine.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: MURDERTRON on April 04, 2014, 06:18:05 pm
All types of cav are currently worse than they've ever been.  Why would you choose now of all times to complain?
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: HarunYahya on April 04, 2014, 08:54:26 pm
Give infantry, formation bonus. Just like shield bonus when you form a shield wall, when people stay together buff their stats up and call it "morale effect" .This will enforce people to stay together in formation and deflect cav. ggwp.

Or don't. Actually staying alive is already a reward ... It's people who cause the problem. Too much stupidity...
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: bruce on April 06, 2014, 06:54:32 pm
The problem are largely the "best" horses, which are just too common ingame. If most of cav was riding around on a palfrey or rouncey, some on destriers / sarranids / coursers and armoured horses were a rare sight, cavalry would be a hell of a lot more balanced.

And then perhaps we could play on more open maps. Right now, you're either the king or trash because it's some counterstrike map. The kicker is that light horses (ok, sarranids and such are so agile and small that they are a bit of an exception) can be killed in one go if they approach badly an infantry formation. Heirloomed armoured horses can make many mistakes which kind of breaks balance, in my view.

Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Penitent on April 06, 2014, 07:39:40 pm
Quote from: bruce on April 06, 2014, 06:54:32 pm
The problem are largely the "best" horses, which are just too common ingame. If most of cav was riding around on a palfrey or rouncey, some on destriers / sarranids / coursers and armoured horses were a rare sight, cavalry would be a hell of a lot more balanced.

And then perhaps we could play on more open maps. Right now, you're either the king or trash because it's some counterstrike map. The kicker is that light horses (ok, sarranids and such are so agile and small that they are a bit of an exception) can be killed in one go if they approach badly an infantry formation. Heirloomed armoured horses can make many mistakes which kind of breaks balance, in my view.

If most cav were in rounceys they would be largely useless.  Have you fought on a rouncy?
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 06, 2014, 09:40:22 pm
add the nice matchmaking system and you have same clan cav team vs. shitheads-who-gonna-be-creamed  :lol:
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: bruce on April 07, 2014, 03:49:02 pm
Quote from: Penitent on April 06, 2014, 07:39:40 pm
If most cav were in rounceys they would be largely useless.  Have you fought on a rouncy?

Yes, I have. It means you're easily disposed of if you screw up while still being useful especially on open maps. It means you don't have the frankly dumb option of letting your horse be slashed just so you can kill someone, and then doing this repeatedly.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Penitent on April 07, 2014, 03:54:19 pm
Quote from: bruce on April 07, 2014, 03:49:02 pm
Yes, I have. It means you're easily disposed of if you screw up while still being useful especially on open maps. It means you don't have the frankly dumb option of letting your horse be slashed just so you can kill someone, and then doing this repeatedly.

People keep saying things like this, but I don't think it makes sense.  You can mess up as a melee player plenty of times (miss a block, etc) and still get to fight on.  The heavier armor you wear the more you can make mistakes.  The heavier horse you take, the more you can make mistakes -- but you pay for it in terms of speed, meneuverability, and cash. 

Makes sense to me the way it is now.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Joseph Porta on April 08, 2014, 12:35:14 am
After being on this forum for so long I have developed the tendancie to fap to threads such as these
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Ronin on April 08, 2014, 01:13:30 pm
Increase the upkeep of 2h swords.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Thryn on April 08, 2014, 03:09:50 pm
Shielders and 2h should be vulnerable to cavalry, considering that *most* of 1h/2h weapons aren't designed for fighting it. Be aware of enemy cav, stay with your team, and try to find someone who has a weapon made for fighting ponies (pikemen). If you have extra slots as well, bring a weapon that rears cav (carrying a weapon like this also wards off some nerds like a bubble of invulnerability).

It sucks (as infantry) getting killed by cav, regardless if you think that it's easy or hard. Bring proper gear to stop the pony stomp.

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Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Ubereem on April 08, 2014, 11:52:28 pm
No cav in siege.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 02:55:25 am
Quote from: anotherGhost on April 08, 2014, 03:09:50 pm
Shielders and 2h should be vulnerable to cavalry, considering that *most* of 1h/2h weapons aren't designed for fighting it. Be aware of enemy cav, stay with your team, and try to find someone who has a weapon made for fighting ponies (pikemen). If you have extra slots as well, bring a weapon that rears cav (carrying a weapon like this also wards off some nerds like a bubble of invulnerability).

It sucks (as infantry) getting killed by cav, regardless if you think that it's easy or hard. Bring proper gear to stop the pony stomp.

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its the AMOUNT of cav im complaining about, not the class itself. and of course, naturally they all has to go on the same fucking team. thats how balance is in some fucked up minds. one team have archers, the other team have cav. thats awesome balance. yes it is.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Tzar on April 09, 2014, 12:26:40 pm
Your thread failed hard, also i dun get your whine with our current map rotation, cav is utterly shit.

Also by your logic we should increase upkeep on 2h/polearm since they are the most used weapons currently...
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 01:51:56 pm
so what else do you wise guys suggest?

i just quit a 40 total player map. 18 vs. 18. half the other team was cav.

when theres too much cav, range will also be overloaded exactly because there is too much cav. and when range-overload cav will also be overloaded because there is overload of range. its really really retarded. i suggested the increase upkeep becuase noone cba to code or even discuss class balance, because "oh its too hard to do" (comparred to the crazy banner balance code?! LOL) or "we like it how it is" (YEAH cos you are fucking cav yourself and give a flying fuck about even matches!)
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 01:53:14 pm
Quote from: Tzar on April 09, 2014, 12:26:40 pm
Your thread failed hard, also i dun get your whine with our current map rotation, cav is utterly shit.

Also by your logic we should increase upkeep on 2h/polearm since they are the most used weapons currently...

wise words. i wish i knew you irl.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Teeth on April 09, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
Since slashing cav still does insane damage and lance cav has got much better sweetspots now I think a general survivability nerf of armoured horses could not hurt. Heavy cav is quite OP, now both lancers and horseslashers.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 02:13:12 pm
yeah SOMETHING must be possible to do without causing fora whine spam because really, seriously, i love cav, they essential and fun to play but just the slightest overload have really big impact especially when servers low populated

edit: and also, i think there should be some kind of prestige in being cav. back in the day, having a horse was like having a private jet today. im playing with the idea of making cav available only to lvl 31 or above i think that would be cool but i also understand that it would be shot down by the majority :/

Quote from: Teeth on April 09, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
Since slashing cav still does insane damage and lance cav has got much better sweetspots now I think a general survivability nerf of armoured horses could not hurt. Heavy cav is quite OP, now both lancers and horseslashers.

and even without a horse some players are still op! (royans! why you little...! :) )
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 03:20:13 pm
how about keeping current upkeep but make horses crazy expensive? once a rider is killed while horse is alive, people will jump eachother to get it / enemies will shoot it
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Sniger on April 09, 2014, 03:39:13 pm
part of the problem is that when people have x1 and its open map, they log out and hop on a cav alt
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: Angantyr on April 13, 2014, 01:39:10 pm
Quote from: Teeth on April 09, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
Since slashing cav still does insane damage and lance cav has got much better sweetspots now I think a general survivability nerf of armoured horses could not hurt. Heavy cav is quite OP, now both lancers and horseslashers.
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Quote from: Tzar on April 09, 2014, 12:26:40 pm
with our current map rotation, cav is utterly shit.
Past week's rotation has been very cav friendly, though.
Title: Re: Increase cav upkeep
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on April 14, 2014, 01:37:56 am
Nerf cav