Super Data Research, who released research earlier this year stating that Riot Games made $624 million in revenue for League of Legends in 2013 and that Dota 2 made around $80 Million, has put out a new report centered on eSports in collaboration with Newzoo.
The report states that viewership across all eSports titles has doubled within the last year, peaking to over 71 million by the end of 2013. Almost half of those viewers, 31.4 million, come from the United States where males account for 70% of frequent viewers and participants. The report finds that the majority of U.S. viewers are males between 21 and 34 years old. The average eSports viewer watches 19 times a month, with a session length of 2.2 hours.
I doubt it. Simply because most stop watching when the first hairs grow on their balls and they get a girlfriend :wink:
I doubt it. Simply because most stop watching when the first hairs grow on their balls and they get a girlfriend :wink:
Is this a confession? Last time I checked this was a gaming forum.There is a difference in playing games - guilty as charged - and sitting in front of your PC and watching how people play games over ridiculous amounts of price money.
There is a difference in playing games - guilty as charged - and sitting in front of your PC and watching how people play games over ridiculous amounts of price money.
I admit, when I was actively playing Counterstrike in a clan on ladders/tournaments and LANs, I was too watching Esport-events for several reasons but mainly cuz I knew a bunch of the players playing and for study purposes for my own game.
At some point there wasn't enough time left and I stopped playing on that competitive level and simultaneously stopped watching those events. And that is connected to age which I tried to point out in a charmingly witty comment.
I doubt it. Simply because most stop watching when the first hairs grow on their balls and they get a girlfriend :wink:
Eurocentric much?
Eurocentric much? This is already happening for a decade atleast in Asia, example Korea where you have whole families sitting in front of a TV watching the national Starcraft championships.Yep, a whole decade and it's not even close to that level here... And it's fucking Asia, well, actually it's more or less only Korea afaik. Absolutely comparable. :rolleyes:
It's not eurocentric, it's just ignorant and selfish.Just lol... Ignorant, maybe? Selfish? Wut?!
Is this a confession? Last time I checked this was a gaming forum.
Just lol... Ignorant, maybe? Selfish? Wut?!
Are you gaming?
I've watched Starcraft II and DotA2 esports once or twice, and I can confirm that it is a vastly superior experience than playing those games. Especially with a good commentator.
And it's fucking Asia, well, actually it's more or less only Korea afaik. Absolutely comparable. :rolleyes:
Since I think that people who earn fortunes for playing sports - more than a doctor or a scientist - is ridiculous, I believe that earning money (and that amount) for playing video-games is absurd.
I so gonna necro this thread in 10 years and laugh about all you fools believing that you will be able to watch this stuff in the pub around your corner...(click to show/hide)
I so gonna necro this thread in 10 years and laugh about all you fools believing that you will be able to watch this stuff in the pub around your corner...Yeah just like all the smart people necro'd the 'I am making an airplane thread' in 1915 after ridiciculing the fools talking about it 10 years before. Seriously how incredibly shortsighted do you have to be to ridicule this idea when people in South-Korea literally watch StarCraft games in the pub around the corner already. You should really review your concepts about entertainment, whatever unpassable difference you see between football, baseball, darts, chess and then StarCraft, it doesn't really exist.
I so gonna necro this thread in 10 years and laugh about all you fools believing that you will be able to watch this stuff in the pub around your corner...i'd watch http://it.twitch.tv/wgleagueru (http://it.twitch.tv/wgleagueru) instead of pussy italian league soccer full of shit , qqers and clowns.
Yeah just like all the smart people necro'd the 'I am making an airplane thread' in 1915 after ridiciculing the fools talking about it 10 years before. Seriously how incredibly shortsighted do you have to be to ridicule this idea when people in South-Korea literally watch StarCraft games in the pub around the corner already. You should really review your concepts about entertainment, whatever unpassable difference you see between football, baseball, darts, chess and then StarCraft, it doesn't really exist.Because they do it for easily over 10 years already and in Europe there is not even a tendency for it to happen any time soon...
How many people in this forum actually have family? 3? Maybe 6? The rest of us is probably at school/uni/game dev (:P)So wrong.
And how many of those who have actual family still play this actively? 1?
There is a clear tendency that games are limited to a certain age frame and personal living situation. Whenever the personal time gets cut short, first thing to go is playing games cuz most people consider the other stuff more important.+
Because they do it for easily over 10 years already and in Europe there is not even a tendency for it to happen any time soon...
Not to mention that real sports have a way higher social component that keeps a lot of people active even in older ages. That is simply not the case with games.
When you start working, building a house, marriage and children, you probably won't play any more alone in front of your PC but you might still go once a week to play with your friends on a football field and have 2-12 beers with them afterwards.
I know dozens of buddies who simply stopped playing games cuz "mature real life" and that is still the common thing to happen.
How many people in this forum actually have family? 3? Maybe 6? The rest of us is probably at school/uni/game dev (:P)
And how many of those who have actual family still play this actively? 1?
There is a clear tendency that games are limited to a certain age frame and personal living situation. Whenever the personal time gets cut short, first thing to go is playing games cuz most people consider the other stuff more important.+
Not to mention that Asia is completely different cultural circle that can't be applied to Europe as easily as "Look, they do it too! We gonna be doing the same!"
Besides, OP says "Soon bigger...". All I say is "Nope, not any time soon." I simply do not believe that it's going to happen in Europe.
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The record audience for a Premier League match stands at one billion for the clash between Arsenal and United in 2007.Horse shit.
Because they do it for easily over 10 years already and in Europe there is not even a tendency for it to happen any time soon...
Not to mention that real sports have a way higher social component that keeps a lot of people active even in older ages. That is simply not the case with games.
When you start working, building a house, marriage and children, you probably won't play any more alone in front of your PC but you might still go once a week to play with your friends on a football field and have 2-12 beers with them afterwards.
I know dozens of buddies who simply stopped playing games cuz "mature real life" and that is still the common thing to happen.
How many people in this forum actually have family? 3? Maybe 6? The rest of us is probably at school/uni/game dev (:P)
And how many of those who have actual family still play this actively? 1?
There is a clear tendency that games are limited to a certain age frame and personal living situation. Whenever the personal time gets cut short, first thing to go is playing games cuz most people consider the other stuff more important.+
Not to mention that Asia is completely different cultural circle that can't be applied to Europe as easily as "Look, they do it too! We gonna be doing the same!"
Besides, OP says "Soon bigger...". All I say is "Nope, not any time soon." I simply do not believe that it's going to happen in Europe.
Horse shit.http://www.foxsportsasia.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item691758/ (http://www.foxsportsasia.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item691758/)
Also, getting a couple of hours of gaming in an evening takes less time than going out to play football or something.
And with more gamers and gaming oriented youth (which is already now), e-sports will keep increasing. There's no denying that, just look at the fucking graphs man.
This.
Just look at the difference 2011-2013. Now imagine that going upwards at a constant ratio. That's a big boom right there.
Just because millions are doing something doesn't make it good. And while purpose of video games is to provide entertainment, they evolved into something else, taking so much time from people and in many cases ruining their lives. Now they want to sell it to those people that they don't need to find a job, because they can play games and earn for a living.
Yes, eSports are big today and they will become even bigger but they will never reach the same status as "real" sports. For me there is no real passion behind eSports or atleast not close to what you can witness in football matches or stuff like that.
Can you think with your own mind for a second or are you just stating stuff that the current (or already past) social norms dictate? What do you think will happen in 10, 20 years? The average gamer age is already increasing, due to now so many older gamers out there. I know a fuckload of people who enjoy playing games and only a bunch that play and watch football - of my age, that is. You really think that every gamer just drops gaming once they get a girlfriend, a job, a flat and a kid? I sure as fuck didn't (no kid tho) and neither did people I know.Can you actually read what I wrote or are you just jumping the bandwagon with everyone else?
Games are so popular nowadays nearly all kids play them, unless you're some filipino slave kid. They are growing up in a gamer world where gaming already isn't just some childish thing anymore. And with more gamers and gaming oriented youth (which is already now), e-sports will keep increasing. There's no denying that, just look at the fucking graphs man.
While I agree with this part, I never claimed that e-sports are good. I only said that it's a bit weird to deny this rapid increase, when it's in front of people's eyes.
My point is, this is a weird ass forums which members are in no way representatives of general population. Just because fat Leshma and his scrawny buddy ptx think eSports is huge, doesn't make it huge in the whole world.
I wish I had a basement to dwell in.
Lin told SGamer last year about his favorite heroes being Spirit Breaker, Phantom Assassin, Tide Hunter and Ogre Magi.noob
He's not playing earthshaker?
Tickets to The International 2014 sell out within an hourSo?
http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/6/5586792/tickets-to-the-international-2014-sell-out-within-an-hour
Never understood "eSports." I don't really understand watching real sports either,but at least there you are really far removed from the top and you have to physically travel to locations to play the game and you may not have the physique to get to the top etc etc.
but with games, why? You could just as easily play yourself. And the "pros" tend to be pretty bad. The really good players are few and far between, the rest are high-skill pubbers usually.
Christo It's same with national football teams, when they win it's WE WON.
When they lose, THEY LOST!
:lol:
and you have to physically travel to locations to play the game
and you may not have the physique to get to the top etc etc...
All the major esport tournaments are on location, not online ¿What does the location have to do with anything?¿
Actually, elite sports are almost always about overcoming your less-than-ideal physiques for said specific sports.Actually, no. The top of popular sports are close to genetic freaks and none of them are competing "natural." The "overcoming yourself" sounds romantic and all, and it might work in some village competition with seven people in it, but in real sports the competition is so tough you're not going to make it unless your physique is perfect for the sport. This all shows the most in sports like 100 meter sprint where milliseconds matter.
What does the location have to do with anything?¿
Actually, no. The top of popular sports are close to genetic freaks and none of them are competing "natural." The "overcoming yourself" sounds romantic and all, and it might work in some village competition with seven people in it, but in real sports the competition is so tough you're not going to make it unless your physique is perfect for the sport. This all shows the most in sports like 100 meter sprint where milliseconds matter.
The Flying Sprite
Using technique to help transform an apparent physical limitation into an advantage is likely to turn Japan’s Sara Takanashi into the first female gold medal winner in ski jumping.
Just 4-foot-11 and barely 90 pounds, Takanashi will be among the smallest Olympians in Sochi. At 17 years old, she is in first place on the World Cups circuit.
In ski jumping being small can actually help. That’s somewhat counterintuitive, however, because a ski jumper generates most of the thrust to fly more than 100 yards by descending the ramp. Bigger jumpers generate more speed. However, once in flight, the bigger jumpers create more drag and descend more quickly. Researchers in Norway have calculated that all other factors being equal, an additional 20 pounds will reduce a jumper’s flight time by .19 seconds.
There are two catches however.
First, there is small and then there is sprite-size. Takanashi’s physique doesn’t appear strong enough to provide the explosion forward at takeoff that her event requires. That need for strength and power, as well as serious guts, is a part of what typically prevents the smallest humans from being ski-jump champions, especially on the smaller “normal hill” that the women compete on.
“The heavier, stronger athlete has a better chance on the normal hill,” said Jeff Hastings, who jumped for the U.S. in 1984.
Second, a tiny jumper like Takanashi still needs near perfect technique to win, and that’s where she truly excels. Almost instantly her small frame assembles into ideal flying position, her body perfectly symmetrical, her skis in the aerodynamic V-shape, her chest low and her chin stretching toward the tips to minimize the drag. Whatever Takanashi’s size forces her to give up in strength and takeoff speed, she makes up for in technique.
Adrian Bejan, an engineering professor at Duke University who studies sports evolution, worked out a formula showing that a skater who is 20% taller than her competitor, will spin 10% more slowly, a significant difference for skaters trying to complete three and four airborne revolutions and land on a blade about 3/16 of an inch thick.
A lot more people have what it takes to be a "pro gamer" than a pro athlete. For gaming, you generally need to be able to move a mouse a few inches and have a somewhat working left hand. Averageish reflexes tend to help too. Most sports? Different story; especially since training for them is a fine science nowadays. No such thing for gaming.
But the "we" thing is still completely retarded ö_ö
You sound like my girlfriend.
counting my nose hair is a sport
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more non-tech sponsors join the party
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more non-tech sponsors join the party
Report: Twitch viewership beats ESPN, WWE streaming sites
http://www.joystiq.com/2014/04/26/report-twitch-viewership-beats-espn-wwe-streaming-sites?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000595
The dude who won is not unemployed though. Serious E-sport is a job.
The dude who won is not unemployed though. Serious E-sport is a job.
Now kids will look at him as some sort of role model, which is wrong imo.
Now kids will look at him as some sort of role model, which is wrong imo.
Well, better than being unemployed, no?
Are you really blaming youth unemployment on video games?I guess it works the other way round. More unemployment leeds to more gaming.(too obvious to even mention, but it's already written)
e''Sports'' will never be as exciting as real sports.
Report: Twitch viewership beats ESPN, WWE streaming sites
http://www.joystiq.com/2014/04/26/report-twitch-viewership-beats-espn-wwe-streaming-sites?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000595
And opinions will never be facts :D
You can't compare professional athletes performing in high intensity sports where you need to be skilled in different areas to succeed physically speaking over some nerd being good at reacting to virtual problems
You can't compare professional athletes performing in high intensity sports where you need to be skilled in different areas to succeed physically speaking over some nerd being good at reacting to virtual problems
You can't compare professional athletes performing in high intensity sports where you need to be skilled in different areas to succeed physically speaking over some nerd being good at reacting to virtual problems
You can't compare professional athletes performing in high intensity sports where you need to be skilled in different areas to succeed physically speaking over some nerd being good at reacting to virtual problems
You can. Is Rally and F1 not a sport? Its kinda the same thing if you think about it. Except if you are expecting someone to crash horribly. Guys sitting in highly advertised chairs,headphones on, doing slight hand and foot movements and majority of the time calculating. Shit, thats basically esports.
And besides Football all other sports are significantly less cared about anyway. Peoples intrest in physical sports has faded a lot over the years. Mybe because TVs loss of popularity.
I hope you realise F1 drivers are highly conditioned and physically fit.
E-sports players can also be fit as fuck, doesn't change the fact that they are as active in their sport as a guy playing StarCraft.I didn't realise that experiencing up to 5Gs and driving at 200+ mph is the same as playing starcraft.
You can. Is Rally and F1 not a sport? Its kinda the same thing if you think about it. Except if you are expecting someone to crash horribly. Guys sitting in highly advertised chairs,headphones on, doing slight hand and foot movements and majority of the time calculating. Shit, thats basically esports.You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
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Obviously my attempt at being as crude as possible and yet still trying to make some point in the given example has failed. In a spectators viewpoint its just guys doing circles in high powered machines.for simple minded people probably yes
Esports is probably as mentally taxing as any other sport at high skill levels tho.
That might be something we can agree on.
A Starcraft Pr0 certainly has to maintain a similar level of focus and concentration as any race driver, football player.
But not any real physical skill as opposed to say a MMA fighter who has to have both. Or a hockey player etc...
How many esports competitors use performance enhancing drugs? That's the real question!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/3d7fdz/north_american_professional_csgo_player_admits_we/