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Title: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Glyph on May 16, 2011, 08:53:24 pm
why can't the flamberge sheat? there is no reason to make it unsheatable, many weapons as long as the flamberge can be sheated like the GLB, LHB and so on. it's a real disadvantage when your using it, not even because you can't equip another weapon but also that if a Flamburger has riding skill he can't use it allong with his flamberge. and maybe it's the sheating animation of the 2handed weapons but that can be changed to a polearm sheating one.

think, post and disscus!
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Bulzur on May 16, 2011, 08:59:34 pm
No.
It's the only 2 hand weapon unsheathable, beacause of it's extreme weight combined with it's size. You mustn't only take in account the size, but also the weight, also, a big piece of wood is more easily sheathable than a sword with 46 cut on it's edge. Just how do you want to be able to sheath that thing ? It will obviously fall on the ground ripping your back on the same occasion.

Edit: Added the "h", thanks Tears for the vocabulary, clearly missed it. Sorry for readers offunded.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 16, 2011, 09:01:28 pm
Sheathable

I don't care if I get backlash, it had to be said...

Sheath is the new Rogue...
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Peasant_Woman on May 16, 2011, 09:03:19 pm
I miss the days when you could stuff a flamberge down your trouser leg.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Spawny on May 16, 2011, 09:10:13 pm
Sheathable

I don't care if I get backlash, it had to be said...

Sheath is the new Rogue...

Rouges shouldn't be so upset they can't sheat theire flamberge anymore.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Glyph on May 16, 2011, 09:11:22 pm
No.
It's the only 2 hand weapon unsheathable, beacause of it's extreme weight combined with it's size. You mustn't only take in account the size, but also the weight, also, a big piece of wood is more easily sheathable than a sword with 46 cut on it's edge. Just how do you want to be able to sheath that thing ? It will obviously fall on the ground ripping your back on the same occasion.

Edit: Added the "h", thanks Tears for the vocabulary, clearly missed it. Sorry for readers offunded.
how are you able to sheat a danish greatsword then he? didn't really think about that post did you? :|
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Lennu on May 16, 2011, 09:35:18 pm
how are you able to sheat a danish greatsword then he? didn't really think about that post did you? :|

Easily, that sword is just not as big as flamberge :)    Imagine that there is an invisible line between those two, and that line determines the items is sheathablyness :P
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: OzyTheSage on May 16, 2011, 09:55:35 pm
Torches should be unsheathable unless you want to light yourself on fire, and ladders/siege shields should remain sheathable. You should also be able to sheath your horse too so you can avoid having it get killed when you realize you're charging towards spearmen or an arbalest, and to avoid the team stomping at the beginning of a round.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Glyph on May 17, 2011, 07:16:31 am
Easily, that sword is just not as big as flamberge :)    Imagine that there is an invisible line between those two, and that line determines the items is sheathablyness :P
my point of that post was that a greatsword also cuts in your back and about lenght, why can you sheath a LHB?
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: CoWorm on May 17, 2011, 07:20:08 am
Torches should be unsheathable unless you want to light yourself on fire, and ladders/siege shields should remain sheathable. You should also be able to sheath your horse too so you can avoid having it get killed when you realize you're charging towards spearmen or an arbalest, and to avoid the team stomping at the beginning of a round.

Yay for suicide torches, the classy way to go.

These pocket horses I'm not to sure about though, it doesn't involve stuffing them into tiny balls does it?
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: ShinySpoons on May 17, 2011, 07:24:46 am
Hafted Blade
weapon length: 153

Flamberge
weapon length: 152
Can't sheath


Despite the poor spelling, op makes sense. Either both should be sheathable or both unsheathable for fairness sake. Perhaps 150 should be the cutoff  point for sheathability.

P.S On the weight issue, somehow I doubt a weight of 4(flamberge) vs 2 (LHB) justifies the sheath/can't sheath
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: MouthnHoof on May 17, 2011, 11:09:01 am
Hafted Blade
weapon length: 153

Flamberge
weapon length: 152
Can't sheath

Despite the poor spelling, op makes sense. Either both should be sheathable or both unsheathable for fairness sake. Perhaps 150 should be the cutoff  point for sheathability.
Both should be unsheathable. In fact, almost all polearms should be unsheathable - the Velcro attachment of sticks to people's back should end. The Flamberg is a polearm in the shape of a sword, too big to strap on to the back. 2H swords were carried on the back - not drawn from there, just carried for travel and drawn before combat. Nobody ever carried a spear on the back, it is completely impractical. Nobody ever went to combat with more than one pole weapon on him.

Unsheathable flag is the price to pay for a big weapon. There should be many more like this, including many of the 120 reach 2H swords. This poses no problem as long as you use it as your primary. For those that want it as a secondary, I am sorry, no xbow in hand + flamberg on the back for you. No switching back and forth between shield and flamberg/poleaxe either. A secondary weapon is a small one. 1H is no problem, 2H offer a few and polearms are all about primary weapons. If you go polearms, you should hybrid into 1H/2H to carry a second weapon: Pikemen carried a 1H sword as a skirmish weapon, not another polearm velcroed to the back.

Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Kryser on May 17, 2011, 11:13:37 am
I agree with the op, 151 rum length and up should not be shitable.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Leesin on May 17, 2011, 01:29:40 pm
If you want to use a horse, use a smaller sword, problem solved. /thread
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Radix on May 17, 2011, 01:46:09 pm
Quote
Unsheathable flag is the price to pay for a big weapon. There should be many more like this, including many of the 120 reach 2H swords.

I smell 1h swords era coming
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: RandomDude on May 17, 2011, 01:59:48 pm
Well i didnt realise that greatwords were sheathable. I just thought that Flam/Greatswords were unsheathable so you couldnt use any other weapon/a shield - which is fair enough for balance.

If it's just flamberges and i LOST 3 PTS OF DAMAGE ON MY MASTERWORK (the audacity of the developers :o) then I shall start a petition to stop this senseless discrimination against the flameburgers.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Glyph on May 17, 2011, 02:30:28 pm
Well i didnt realise that greatwords were sheathable. I just thought that Flam/Greatswords were unsheathable so you couldnt use any other weapon/a shield - which is fair enough for balance.

If it's just flamberges and i LOST 3 PTS OF DAMAGE ON MY MASTERWORK (the audacity of the developers :o) then I shall start a petition to stop this senseless discrimination against the flameburgers.
agreed!
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Templar_Ratigan on May 17, 2011, 02:31:26 pm
After one too many takeaways im often sheating out flamberge's.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Shinimas on May 17, 2011, 03:09:23 pm
You hang it on the shoulder.

And yes, you don't see the flameberge often, was not needed to nerf it any further. Nerf GLA/LHSM/LHB instead.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Glyph on May 17, 2011, 03:10:49 pm
get the flamberge back with pre-patch stats!
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Spawny on May 17, 2011, 03:13:12 pm
If it's just flamberges and i LOST 3 PTS OF DAMAGE ON MY MASTERWORK (the audacity of the developers :o) then I shall start a petition to stop this senseless discrimination against the flameburgers.

That was a blanket nerf, all heirlooms lost damage. It's a static +3 damage +1 speed now at MW.
So no discrimination of flameburgers there.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: AgentQ on May 17, 2011, 04:41:17 pm
All the whines will lead more Pole arms been nerfed to please 2 handers.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: RandomDude on May 17, 2011, 06:08:51 pm
That was a blanket nerf, all heirlooms lost damage. It's a static +3 damage +1 speed now at MW.
So no discrimination of flameburgers there.

ahah this is what I thought too before the revelation that the other 2hs are sheathable? (is that really true tho?)

It hasnt really bothered me too much while playing tho, even wearing mail armour i dont get shot as much as I thought I would without a shield. (with this admission id like to say that I strafe a lot - just in case ranged get buffed bcos of my ramblings)

Of course I would like to see a dmg increase for the flamburge - I use it - but I really havent noticed the difference.
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: EponiCo on May 17, 2011, 07:36:09 pm
I miss the days when you could stuff a flamberge down your trouser leg.

Yep, turning around a corner with a pitchfork totally oblivious to the guy that follows you and then await him with flamberge ready needs some serious preperation now.  :lol:
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: OzyTheSage on May 17, 2011, 09:55:26 pm
These pocket horses I'm not to sure about though, it doesn't involve stuffing them into tiny balls does it?

Gotta catch'em all
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Anal Bleeding on May 18, 2011, 04:26:28 am
yeah no sheathable longbows either
Title: Re: flamberge sheatable?
Post by: Glyph on May 18, 2011, 07:47:18 am
longbows can be easely sheathed, and with the normal bow lenght it has now, absolutely sheathable