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Title: Maximum immersion
Post by: zagibu on February 17, 2014, 11:08:05 pm
I recently started to play like this:
- banners off on friends and foes alike
- ctrl + h

This means you can't tell friend from foe, which means you have to play defensively, and see if the dude running at you actually attacks or just passes you by. It's a lot of fun. It also encourages team play, because it works best if you follow someone you are certain is a friend, then attack the same dudes together.

If you want, first person view for even more immersion, but personally, I like to look at my character's ass.

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Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: JackieChan on February 17, 2014, 11:10:01 pm
Multiplayer medieval game with Dayz gameplay?

am I in heaven?
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 17, 2014, 11:11:19 pm
You are almost unable to pick up weapons and only know if somebody is an enemy at the second he hits you in the face, no thanks!
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Miwiw on February 17, 2014, 11:13:04 pm
Banners off on foes is normal, actually it should be removed on WSE2 - it was the worst invention since ages.
But banners on friends, it will be hard to see if archers and cav are on your side. If you directly look at infantry you see their names, those you cannot put off. :P

Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: smals98 on February 17, 2014, 11:14:00 pm
Interesting way to play, to say the least. I may have to try this.   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: zagibu on February 17, 2014, 11:14:28 pm
You don't see the names with ctrl + h. All hud elements are gone, then, even chat. All that remains is you, your weapon, and other armed players running around you.

Reduce to the max.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: En_Dotter on February 17, 2014, 11:17:36 pm
I had an idea to play like this but its impossible with this community who cant wait to report or come to you and "return the favor".
If there would be a (private) server for ppl that would like to play this i would be there most of the time (with removed ctrl+m feature).
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Inglorious on February 17, 2014, 11:18:46 pm
If wse2 didn't kill my performance, I would try this.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Torost on February 17, 2014, 11:19:07 pm
I have always wished for some tabard, shield heraldics,a colored scarf, a bandana.. something to indicate friend or foe.
Hope some new game actually implements this...  :wink:

Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Radament on February 17, 2014, 11:23:42 pm
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Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Sniger on February 17, 2014, 11:23:47 pm
played like that the past 6 months or so ill sign it, its pretty cool
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 17, 2014, 11:29:40 pm
I have always wished for some tabard, shield heraldics,a colored scarf, a bandana.. something to indicate friend or foe.
Hope some new game actually implements this...  :wink:


please make this happen zagibu!
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 17, 2014, 11:30:44 pm
Ehat about a hardcore gamemode? That auto sets the players hud to ctrl H? Whenever an admin is online a mode change can be polled. Just for shits and giggles, and who knows maybe the crowd likes it.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: sF_Guardian on February 17, 2014, 11:35:33 pm
I have everything removed except flags on allies.
Need them for my agressive playstyle.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Teeth on February 17, 2014, 11:43:51 pm
Funny thing is that this only works as long as few people do it. If everyone on the server would do it there would be no one confidently charging anyone and the amount of clues about who is friend or foe would drop to near zero. Two people playing without banners staring at eachother and having no way of working out whether to attack or not. A server with this would be terrible and basically come down to how well you rememberd the guys that spawned with you.

Also, sadly I don't know what nick you use zagibu, but thanks for the info on your playstyle. I would totally try to win your trust by appearing non threathening and then whack your skull in after having followed you around for a while :twisted:
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 17, 2014, 11:48:28 pm
Funny thing is that this only works as long as few people do it. If everyone on the server would do it there would be no one confidently charging anyone and the amount of clues about who is friend or foe would drop to near zero. Two people playing without banners staring at eachother and having no way of working out whether to attack or not. A server with this would be terrible and basically come down to how well you rememberd the guys that spawned with you.

Also, sadly I don't know what nick you use zagibu, but thanks for the info on your playstyle. I would totally try to win your trust by appearing non threathening and then whack your skull in after having followed you around for a while :twisted:

Obligatory heraldic armor with team heraldics, not every single player having his clanban

Would be cool imo
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Miwiw on February 18, 2014, 12:01:02 am
At least you do that on siege, thats probably a bit easier to guess who's friend or foe. And on siege there's not many cav, if some at all.
On battle you may be able to notice who's on your side in the early time of the round by checking armor/banners and the same spawn. Later on you probably have some difficulties if you just see someone pass by.
"Attack or not".

But if you start hitting a friend and he does not react but probably report you, you won't notice it. ^^
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Carthan on February 18, 2014, 12:10:19 am
No banners?
Attractive asses?
FUN?!

How DARE you call this immersive!
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Butan on February 18, 2014, 01:03:31 am
I would applaud if the chadz team were going for "hardcore" settings like that for their new game  :D

If its only a "possibility" and people can switch banners/visual help on, noone will use it (except crazy guys like you zagibu) since it causes a massive unbalance.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Snufalufagus on February 18, 2014, 01:16:15 am
I tw enough as it is.  I cannot imagine how long it would take me to get banned. Good for you though lol.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: isatis on February 18, 2014, 01:37:00 am
Time to play like this with my archer alt!!

It's not like it will change anything when I shoot into duels...

:D
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Radament on February 18, 2014, 02:04:50 am
found a solution , directly from WWII tactics :

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Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: woody on February 18, 2014, 02:08:36 am
I like the idea but after trying it for 10 minutes worked out why coloured tunics etc were worn when fights between similarly equipped armies happened. Its ok if you are with alot of clanmates/old players you can recognise but otherwise it doesnt work very well.

Strat battles with everyone wearing heraldic armours/barding would be good.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: oreshy on February 18, 2014, 03:03:06 am
...good idea. +1.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Armycook_of_KSantiago on February 18, 2014, 05:24:46 am
You primitives! This is my UI
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Shaksie on February 18, 2014, 05:31:35 am
Multiplayer medieval game with Dayz gameplay?

am I in heaven?
Never, a survival based RPG with swords etc!
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Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Zhyang on February 18, 2014, 06:36:52 am
I like every new idea but this would cause many more teamkikls / hits
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Kuujis on February 18, 2014, 08:38:36 am
You primitives! This is my UI
(click to show/hide)

No rules - I request, NAY, I DEMAND an upgraded HRE Autoblock http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/autoblock-v4-02-%28only-selling-to-clans%29-update-28-03-2013/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/autoblock-v4-02-%28only-selling-to-clans%29-update-28-03-2013/) version with this advanced UI overlay shit!
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Awea on February 18, 2014, 08:58:05 am
I recently started to play like this:
- banners off on friends and foes alike
- ctrl + h

This means you can't tell friend from foe, which means you have to play defensively, and see if the dude running at you actually attacks or just passes you by. It's a lot of fun. It also encourages team play, because it works best if you follow someone you are certain is a friend, then attack the same dudes together.

If you want, first person view for even more immersion, but personally, I like to look at my character's ass.

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+1
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Macropus on February 18, 2014, 09:04:01 am
This means you can't tell friend from foe, which means you have to play defensively, and see if the dude running at you actually attacks or just passes you by. It's a lot of fun.
Does it mean you also have no way to know whether you were killed by an enemy or teamkilled by ally?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on February 18, 2014, 03:02:55 pm
http://forum.melee.org/announcements/crpg-status-and-plans/msg522883/#msg522883 (http://forum.melee.org/announcements/crpg-status-and-plans/msg522883/#msg522883)

Quote from: chadz
... we don't do changes because we want the game to be more realistic. We do changes because we feel they are right. If they fit with realism, that's great, and it's also our guideline, but almost never the reason for a change. We are not trying do create a simulator, we are trying to create a game. 

Using a crossbow becomes somewhat problematic, when the banners are off :) Though i do change to 1st-person view from time to time. 
If cRPG had more players, an additional, "realism" server could be fun - forced 1st person view, no banners, no hud, etc. Would definitely make people stick together as a team :)

Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: gallonigher on February 18, 2014, 04:59:27 pm
You primitives! This is my UI
(click to show/hide)

I can see myself in that picture!  I'm the one performing the overhead attack. 

*block up immediately* *estimate mortality rate 99.9%* 

haha it seems legit
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 18, 2014, 06:11:56 pm
No rules - I request, NAY, I DEMAND an upgraded HRE Autoblock http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/autoblock-v4-02-%28only-selling-to-clans%29-update-28-03-2013/ (http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/autoblock-v4-02-%28only-selling-to-clans%29-update-28-03-2013/) version with this advanced UI overlay shit!
that's some top notch rocket surgery there, I'm not sure if I can copy that! D:
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Miwiw on February 18, 2014, 06:30:58 pm
I like the idea but after trying it for 10 minutes worked out why coloured tunics etc were worn when fights between similarly equipped armies happened. Its ok if you are with alot of clanmates/old players you can recognise but otherwise it doesnt work very well.

Strat battles with everyone wearing heraldic armours/barding would be good.

1 thing is needed then. Armor replacement. We already got heraldic mails for each armor range so that wouldn't be a problem.
Replace all armors with heraldic mail.
Gothic Plate replace with Trans Heraldic Mail for example. Gothic Plate may be a bit heavier but in the end you don't notice that much a difference but without name plates you know that guy isn't in your team (IF you know all banners used in your team haha). :)
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: zagibu on February 18, 2014, 08:32:18 pm
What you guys don't have considered is the question: Is it really important to know whether the dude you just killed was an enemy or not? Consider the situation in which everyone was forced to play like this, what would happen? People would still want to win, which means they would stick together and maybe even move in some kind of formations, to make sure enemies couldn't easily mingle among them and backstab everyone. The gameplay would change drastically.

There is no problem for archers. If you don't know whether someone is an enemy or not, you have two options:
- You shoot him and risk killing a friend, basically doing the enemy's work and lowering your chances to win
- You do nothing

It seems to be more prudent to simply not shoot if you are unsure. Then when you see that this particular dude attacks someone you remember or can easily identify as friend because of his movement pattern, or if he isn't attacked by someone you know is an enemy, you can start shooting.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Kafein on February 18, 2014, 08:33:26 pm
Realistically, we should be wearing team colors.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: //saxon on February 18, 2014, 08:35:19 pm
well if everyone did this it would be impossible to play.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: zagibu on February 18, 2014, 08:59:25 pm
well if everyone did this it would be impossible to play.

You lack imagination.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: //saxon on February 18, 2014, 10:03:42 pm
You lack imagination.
listen, i completed Mount and blade original single player once and warband single player twice in 1st person, didn't even know you could go 3rd person until i started playing this mod 3 years ago.
my mate already had the options set when he played it before me and i never thought it was 1st/3rd person game, so i played it for 4+ years in 1st person and i still play in 1st always have done always will do.

i know the immersion!  :)
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: gallonigher on February 18, 2014, 10:48:11 pm
Wow...  you really should try 3rd person though, it's 100x easier to see who's attacking your flanks and you can judge distances better.  I played on 1st person for a while when I was starting out but once I mastered 3rd person, there was no going back.  1st person is what I play when I'm drunk or something, mostly for the shits and giggles because it's harder.  Unfortunately, immersion doesn't help much when you're dead
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: //saxon on February 19, 2014, 12:12:23 am
Wow...  you really should try 3rd person though, it's 100x easier to see who's attacking your flanks and you can judge distances better.  I played on 1st person for a while when I was starting out but once I mastered 3rd person, there was no going back.  1st person is what I play when I'm drunk or something, mostly for the shits and giggles because it's harder.  Unfortunately, immersion doesn't help much when you're dead
well, i believe me playing in 1st person is just the same as you playing in 3rd, ive mastered panning around even inbetween attacking and blocking im always panning around, i do it automatically, so i see everything, i miss nothing. if i was ever going to use 3rd, i would be using it to look around corners, or to check my characters outfit, which i do frequently.
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Adamar on February 19, 2014, 12:43:51 am
Zagibu, what is your character's name?
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Joseph Porta on February 19, 2014, 01:15:48 am
You lack imagination.
Then enable mumble for maximum feelz
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: gallonigher on February 19, 2014, 02:05:57 am
well, i believe me playing in 1st person is just the same as you playing in 3rd, ive mastered panning around even inbetween attacking and blocking im always panning around, i do it automatically, so i see everything, i miss nothing. if i was ever going to use 3rd, i would be using it to look around corners, or to check my characters outfit, which i do frequently.

lol, yeah me too
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: LordBerenger on February 19, 2014, 03:01:48 am
Smoothrich did this before it was cool
Title: Re: Maximum immersion
Post by: Armycook_of_KSantiago on February 19, 2014, 12:01:27 pm
I can see myself in that picture!  I'm the one performing the overhead attack. 

*block up immediately* *estimate mortality rate 99.9%* 

haha it seems legit

tbh you killed me, i rage quit, i made dis picture  :lol: