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Title: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: jbratina on February 15, 2014, 12:46:23 am
Man starting a new clan is harder than i thought. I mean there are about 40 clans out their recruiting, and maybe 3 or 4 players a month looking for a clan. I think more people need to play cRPG, bcuz almost everyone i see is in a clan. I have to go out and find my recruits on the cRPG servers, and even went as far out as recruiting native! Never have gotten one single apply on ladders.... What can we do about this ridiculously low number of cRPG players? 
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Panos_ on February 15, 2014, 12:50:08 am
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on February 15, 2014, 12:54:51 am
One of the biggest features the majority of people look for in a clan is an armory full of heirloomed gear. If you don't have that, most people will not stick to your clan even if they join. They will probably leave sooner or later.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: jbratina on February 15, 2014, 12:57:28 am
One of the biggest features the majority of people look for in a clan is an armory full of heirloomed gear. If you don't have that, most people will not stick to your clan even if they join. They will probably leave sooner or later.
Yeah i was wondering about that, I don't know how to put armor in my clan, i mean... i put it in there, but no one could use it?
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: jbratina on February 15, 2014, 12:58:37 am
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.
Well i know what you mean, but im NA lol. In this case it would be; Chaos, Hospitallers, AoW, GoW, Acre, ext.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Panos_ on February 15, 2014, 01:01:37 am
One of the biggest features the majority of people look for in a clan is an armory full of heirloomed gear. If you don't have that, most people will not stick to your clan even if they join. They will probably leave sooner or later.

Nah, most players have their own +3 set by now. Most players want to join a big clan because of the perks that come with it, more kills , more gold/xp due to constant multi etc etc.

But as I said, as long as the already big clans keep on mass recruiting, no one else will be able to form a steady strong clan.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: jbratina on February 15, 2014, 01:03:00 am
Nah, most players have their own +3 set by now. Most players want to join a big clan because of the perks that come with it, more kills , more gold/xp due to constant multi etc etc.

But as I said, as long as the already big clans keep on mass recruiting, no one else will be able to form a steady strong clan.
Do you think it is possible to SUCCESSFULLY recruit people from native?
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on February 15, 2014, 01:04:16 am
Yeah i was wondering about that, I don't know how to put armor in my clan, i mean... i put it in there, but no one could use it?

Your heirloomed gear alone won't be sufficient. I mean, you probably have about 6-10 heirloomed items if you are a hard grinder (excuse me if I am underrating though). And sadly, that is nothing when compared to the diversity and number of items available in big, outstanding clans.

Also what Panos said. People want to ensure that they are safe with their clanmates on the battlefield. They want to have a lot of active people available to play with them.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Panos_ on February 15, 2014, 01:04:56 am
Veterans, no.

But new players MAYBE, try persuading them into coming to c-rpg, help them and then hope they like the endless grind just enough to join your clan.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Keshian on February 15, 2014, 01:10:51 am
Even with the indies and the eastern part of north america, stalin owned more land than georgeyboy, but tens of thousands of square kilometers of wasteland called siberia doesn't seem to mean much.  Should have included one of the khans from mongolia with china, current russia, iran, turkey, etc all conquered.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Panos_ on February 15, 2014, 01:12:44 am
Even with the indies and the eastern part of north america, stalin owned more land than georgeyboy, but tens of thousands of square kilometers of wasteland called siberia doesn't seem to mean much.  Should have included one of the khans from mongolia with china, current russia, iran, turkey, etc all conquered.

in some occassions quantity > quality.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: kinngrimm on February 15, 2014, 01:15:09 am
First time i started Wolves back in 2010/2011 it took me 2 weeks for the first recrute and after a month i had about 3-4 after 2 months about 6 to 7 after 3 months i think we had 10 and then it speeded it up and we got traction as people saw us playing together.

Now i build up Fenris within 4 months to 46 players. While a few joined from my former clan and quite another portion i brought back into the game after they havent played it for months anymore, 60% were not former Wolves, a lot of them i did know for quite a while though.

I also would not try to just recruit anybody, but when you see people without any actual clan banner but just with a default banner, without clan tag, chances are they are not alts of existing main chars already in a clan. You try then to play regularly with them and if you get a long, chating late in the evening when servers are empty ^^ or you start a conversation through crpg website pm, at some point you invite them. You should also be very clear for your own sake, what type of people you want to attract. Also you dont need to make artificial talks, if you want someone because he is a good palyer, just tell him that. Be honest to yourself and the players you invite!

Do you have a Faction Hall Thread, where you could refer to, with some information about recruiting requirements ready?
You can screen the faction hall pages of other clans to get some idear what you like to have and how you would perhaps present your clan.

How about a banner/sig with a link to the faction hall entry? steam group? teamspeak? You dont need all that right away, well the banner perhaps rather early on, as when people like it they are less reluctant to join as with a banner they would like to identify themselves with. If you need a professional banner Fenris Kass (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=387), did ours
(click to show/hide)
, but would do others too for a price.

When i was heavily recruting 3-4 months back, i had pen and paper always ready and when a player catched my eyes, i wrote him down. In that way per day i got perhaps 3 to 5 players, and late at night i wrote to them. That way within a week i got roughly 15 to 20 invitations to players out, but perhaps only 2 to 3 accepted the offer, not all of them right away. There is at times a lot of communication needed till every concern is addressed and no questions stayed unanswered.

The armory maybe important to some people true, but perhaps 1 out of 10 recruited players really asked for the armory or a special item if it would be avialable and it was at least for those who came or didnt came to Fenris a deciding factor.

EDIT:
recruiting Native i guess would need to be the other way round, you join a nativ clan whihc doesnt have palyers yet in cRPG, then you advertise there cRPG adn your clan after you got to know them.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Torben on February 15, 2014, 01:30:06 am
the cataphracts did quite a good job in recruiting successfully.  maybe you need to find an appealing theme,  niche,  goal or whatnot.  set yourself apart of the bigger clans.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: jbratina on February 15, 2014, 04:46:39 am
First time i started Wolves back in 2010/2011 it took me 2 weeks for the first recrute and after a month i had about 3-4 after 2 months about 6 to 7 after 3 months i think we had 10 and then it speeded it up and we got traction as people saw us playing together.

Now i build up Fenris within 4 months to 46 players. While a few joined from my former clan and quite another portion i brought back into the game after they havent played it for months anymore, 60% were not former Wolves, a lot of them i did know for quite a while though.

I also would not try to just recruit anybody, but when you see people without any actual clan banner but just with a default banner, without clan tag, chances are they are not alts of existing main chars already in a clan. You try then to play regularly with them and if you get a long, chating late in the evening when servers are empty ^^ or you start a conversation through crpg website pm, at some point you invite them. You should also be very clear for your own sake, what type of people you want to attract. Also you dont need to make artificial talks, if you want someone because he is a good palyer, just tell him that. Be honest to yourself and the players you invite!

Do you have a Faction Hall Thread, where you could refer to, with some information about recruiting requirements ready?
You can screen the faction hall pages of other clans to get some idear what you like to have and how you would perhaps present your clan.

How about a banner/sig with a link to the faction hall entry? steam group? teamspeak? You dont need all that right away, well the banner perhaps rather early on, as when people like it they are less reluctant to join as with a banner they would like to identify themselves with. If you need a professional banner Fenris Kass (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=387), did ours
(click to show/hide)
, but would do others too for a price.

When i was heavily recruting 3-4 months back, i had pen and paper always ready and when a player catched my eyes, i wrote him down. In that way per day i got perhaps 3 to 5 players, and late at night i wrote to them. That way within a week i got roughly 15 to 20 invitations to players out, but perhaps only 2 to 3 accepted the offer, not all of them right away. There is at times a lot of communication needed till every concern is addressed and no questions stayed unanswered.

The armory maybe important to some people true, but perhaps 1 out of 10 recruited players really asked for the armory or a special item if it would be avialable and it was at least for those who came or didnt came to Fenris a deciding factor.

EDIT:
recruiting Native i guess would need to be the other way round, you join a nativ clan whihc doesnt have palyers yet in cRPG, then you advertise there cRPG adn your clan after you got to know them.
I tried your method of talking to the players and befriending them first, and it actually worked. Already got one more member! Thanks!
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Segd on February 15, 2014, 07:48:11 am
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Who ruled the most land in the entire history of mankind?
 A. Alexander The Great
 B. Julius Cieser
 C. Joseph Stalin
 D. Ad olf  Hi t le r
 E. King George III

Khergits!

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Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Matey on February 15, 2014, 09:31:01 am
I vote F: Genghis Khan
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: kinngrimm on February 15, 2014, 10:44:26 am
I tried your method of talking to the players and befriending them first, and it actually worked. Already got one more member! Thanks!
:oops: glad i was of service
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Hecur on February 15, 2014, 12:40:18 pm
All wrong :evil:

Britisch empire
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Ikarus on February 15, 2014, 01:08:30 pm
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People want to ensure that they are safe with their clanmates on the battlefield. They want to have a lot of active people available to play with them.
this

you can neither trust enemies nor teammates, but you can mostly trust clanmates
and all the stuff that kinngrimm said
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Gurnisson on February 15, 2014, 01:24:18 pm
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.

I don't know about the others, but we've got like 1-2 new members this calendar year. :P
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Osiris on February 15, 2014, 01:37:17 pm
wouldn't say any of them are mass recruiting but it is panos :D

And King George had the largest empire (the British empire) Khans had the biggest continuous land empire but it was smaller than the British empire


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Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: kinngrimm on February 15, 2014, 01:41:48 pm
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.
Those are all EU clans

The Scottish Rebels (http://forum.melee.org/faction-halls/the-scottish-rebels-(sr)-now-recruiting!/msg950755/#msg950755) is a NA clan
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: bagge on February 15, 2014, 01:47:24 pm
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.

Lol what?
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Algarn on February 15, 2014, 03:42:42 pm
Mercs aren't recruiting so much, we just have a lot of banner leechers ...  :lol:
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Thovex on February 15, 2014, 05:22:29 pm
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.

Much recruits, 1 per 4 months

damn I'm late fuck this.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Osiris on February 15, 2014, 05:31:13 pm
Panos just butthurt that people like to play with more than 4 people :D
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Panos_ on February 15, 2014, 06:59:49 pm
Panos just butthurt that people like to play with more than 4 people :D


 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: jbratina on February 16, 2014, 12:40:56 am
I would just like everyone to see this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Roman+empire&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9Pj_Uv2wMcmwyQGHlYHQDw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=onOHfbwvPtmm-M%253A%3BEKjJOX8NvuoZdM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Mongolian+empire&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Cfn_UvHLM8ThyQGC94DQAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=qDDXPUGuBP47XM%253A%3BjhLPSYQCnXlZIM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.artsmia.org%252Fart-of-asia%252Fhistory%252Fimages%252Fmaps%252Fmongol-empire-large.gif%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.artsmia.org%252Fart-of-asia%252Fhistory%252Fmongol-empire-map.cfm%3B550%3B399
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Greek+empire&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=M_n_UtiBObOMyAH5nYHgCg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=CSG53F5DnL5zAM%253A%3BY8w3TroaGNz3RM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bible-history.com%252Fmaps%252Fmap_alexander_empire_enlarged.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.bible-history.com%252Fmaps%252F05-greek-empire.html%3B1495%3B931
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https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&biw=1600&bih=809&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Great+Britain+land+1760s&oq=Great+Britain+land+1760s&gs_l=img.3...2786.10177.0.10367.25.25.0.0.0.0.152.2367.19j6.25.0.ernk_timecombined...0...1.1.35.img..5.20.1895.z1IC-PHcNTg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=uppV1FecpxYexM%253A%3BK-wS3vBlcmW6MM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252Fthumb%252F3%252F38%252FMap_of_territorial_growth_1775.svg%252F506px-Map_of_territorial_growth_1775.svg.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FTimeline_of_the_American_Revolution%3B506%3B662
https://www.google.com/search?q=soviet+union+1950s&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=4_n_UuvOF8LWyQHCvIGwCg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=qJSxA4VsrRAw6M%253A%3Bd1vqDgKU9jdo9M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fusers.erols.com%252Fmwhite28%252Fimages%252Fussr1950.gif%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fusers.erols.com%252Fmwhite28%252Fussr.htm%3B613%3B376
https://www.google.com/search?q=land+area+germany+1939&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=kPn_UpeFF4qwygGm7IGoAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=lC_C-1Z1wIPBIM%253A%3Bj8vh-vMxv6sjqM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F9%252F9e%252Fchocolate chip cookie_Germany.svg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252Fchocolate chip cookie_Germany%3B1513%3B1174
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Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Torben on February 16, 2014, 12:46:19 am
I would just like everyone to see this:

but... wai?
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Keshian on February 16, 2014, 02:31:30 am
I would just like everyone to see this:


https://www.google.com/search?q=Mongolian+empire&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Cfn_UvHLM8ThyQGC94DQAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=1IRtPvqq6xOpAM%253A%3B1keR9Qrz-k22DM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F1c%252FMongol_empire.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AMongol_empire.jpg%3B900%3B674 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Mongolian+empire&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Cfn_UvHLM8ThyQGC94DQAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1600&bih=809#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=1IRtPvqq6xOpAM%253A%3B1keR9Qrz-k22DM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F1%252F1c%252FMongol_empire.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcommons.wikimedia.org%252Fwiki%252FFile%253AMongol_empire.jpg%3B900%3B674)

Actually this one is better in that it includes all of siberia, which is a huge landmass your other map didn't cover.  The mongols owned practically all of asia the biggest continent in the world.  Georgeyboy had canada and india and some of africa (not that much, too early, next century was the big african land grab), which doesn't equal as mucha s the mongols despite the huge amount of inhabited parts of canda he claimed even though no englishman ever came even remotely clsoe to most of western and northern canada. 

At least the other rulers had people conquer the areas they claimed - george claimed all the lands inhabited by inuits even though they never interacted with them in order to take possession of those lands.  Kind of like when the catholic church gave all of western north and south america to spain even though most of it went unexplored.  Its not really conquered territory if the inhabitants dont even know who you are.  hence most of george's canada claims shouldn't count toward the total.  Mongols rode everywhere - including northern russia.


Also, Napoleon had more land than histler because he took the spanish land in central north america from spain that he later sold to U.S.  Spain had at one point had more land than george thanks to south and north american claims and east indies.



P.S. Oh shit, what am I saying.  Haven't we all played Europa Universalis with full cheat mode on - Malta had the largest empire on earth conquering 4 of the known continents.
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Osiris on February 16, 2014, 12:45:25 pm
Despite the British Empire being named the biggest almost everywhere the debate happens you are welcome to your opinions that it doesn't count mongols bestest :P Also taking this thread waaay off topic
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Miwiw on February 17, 2014, 01:02:51 am
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.

Ye Nordmen is mass recruiting and they will NEVER stop!
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Ronin on February 17, 2014, 01:38:19 am
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.
Missed Greys on purpose? :P


Attila the Hun might have been added too, and maybe achaemenid empire:
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There are really a lot of conquerors in the history.

Plus, I think Popes between 9. and 14. AD can be added too. They were practically above the kings and lords of all Europe and held great control over them. No one said, owning actually meant being a ruler :P
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Andswaru on February 17, 2014, 08:55:23 am
Ye Nordmen is mass recruiting and they will NEVER stop!

Blame Miwiw hes chief of recruiting.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Feel Like Recruiting is almost impossible...
Post by: Rebelyell on February 17, 2014, 01:16:06 pm
As long as Mercs, Byzantiums, Fallens, Templars and Nords keep on mass recruiting anything that can swing a weapon, you won`t be able to form a clan.
Templars what...
mass what?

We dont recruit everyone whow wants join, there are players that will never get in to Templars even they are exelent players, but on other hand we are open for new players to join unlike rest of clans on yours list.
New members have to join ts or write aplication on forum... and that seams to be way to hard for some aplicants, on the end of the day we dont get that many new members and most of them just go inactive really fast.


sorry for that ingrisch but i write that on my oldass brickfon