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Title: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Macropus on February 12, 2014, 06:14:52 pm
This is so fucked up.

http://news.yahoo.com/danish-zoo-kills-giraffe-prevent-inbreeding-143907726.html

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Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Miwiw on February 12, 2014, 06:19:25 pm
Even a small one. Poor lions didn't get enough meat...
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Sniger on February 12, 2014, 08:47:33 pm
lots of animals is slaughtered in the zoo this is just something the media liked for some reason and I don't understand the fuzz. if it was done in a proper way with respect for the creature then wtf

its like the grinde-whale "slaughter" as they call it. its been done for 100s of years for certain reasons without interfering with the synergy of nature and environment, but all of sudden its OH SO BAD and OH SO TERRIBLE because you see a lot of animals getting killed and because you see blood + animals = bad (in some peoples mind)

or well maybe im just a redneck, a redneck who love animals more than humans :)

id kill an animal for the greater good of the herd any day any time, after all, its "just" an animal. man is or should be the caretaker of the earth and then you have to do stuff like this on some occations.

see all the kids! they watch and are not disgusted in any way, I think its good. everyone should see and know how meat (eventho this is giraffe i wonder how it taste?!) is really brought to the table.

and many (or most?) women, if they get pregnant and they get to understand that their baby will become handicapped in some way, will choose abortion.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Sniger on February 12, 2014, 08:57:10 pm
the only good Danish:

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Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Macropus on February 12, 2014, 09:00:52 pm
Quote from: Sniger on February 12, 2014, 08:47:33 pm
see all the kids! they watch and are not disgusted in any way, I think its good.
I think it's bad. Children tend to consider everything they see/read/hear as a norm, just because they are still learning so much about this world. Slaughtering the animal (which was unnesessary in the first place) in a way it was done is not normal, I believe.

Quote from: Sniger on February 12, 2014, 08:47:33 pm
everyone should see and know how meat (eventho this is giraffe i wonder how it taste?!) is really brought to the table.
Agree, everyone should see it, but not while being a child, for the reason I stated above. The most sad part is that parents invited their children by themselves.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Life on February 12, 2014, 09:04:04 pm
whats all the fuss about? they did it humanely. They could have just dropped the giraffe into the lion's cage, and take it that route, but they took people's feelings into consideration about a giraffe and still get a bunch of protest? I dont understand what the problem is.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Sniger on February 12, 2014, 09:06:43 pm
I think you are maybe abit overprotecting no offence and all, you must have kids IRL :) :)

back in the day, kids helped with everything in the household, including slaughtering of the households stock, ducks, cows what not.

I think that todays kids is abit, well overprotected, in the sense that few of them really understand how meat is brought to the table. to them, meat is like some factory product that we have unlimited supply of. try ask some kid who live in big city if they ever seen a cow, the sea or know where/how the milk comes from, you will be terrified. we are very (too?) far from nature and our roots imo.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Life on February 12, 2014, 09:08:01 pm
Quote from: Macropus on February 12, 2014, 09:00:52 pm
I think it's bad. Children tend to consider everything they see/read/hear as a norm, just because they are still learning so much about this world. Slaughtering the animal (which was unnesessary in the first place) in a way it was done is not normal, I believe.
Agree, everyone should see it, but not while being a child, for the reason I stated above. The most sad part is that parents invited their children by themselves.
I would have loved to see the lions feast upon Marius's carcass. It would have been really interesting.
And getting rid of that giraffe was completely necessary in that situation. Why would you sell a giraffe when you could feed hungry lions and provide a great educational display as well as advertising the zoo?

Or is money more important than teaching children to you?

Edit: actually, i did get to watch it! thanks to the internet  :mrgreen: http://news.yahoo.com/video/lions-devour-slain-giraffe-copenhagen-120501168.html

still wish i could have watched the anatomy lesson when the zookeepers were skinning it.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Christo on February 12, 2014, 09:08:21 pm
I'm also pretty sure most protesters after getting bored went home and ate meat, and guess what meat doesn't grow on trees..

"Oh no they killed a healthy animal!"

Millions of healthy animals are butchered for our benefit so we have food. Gotta love attention whoring hypocrites
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Macropus on February 12, 2014, 09:24:39 pm
Dunno about Europe, but in Russia children start learning anatomy in like 12 years. Not in 6-7 years. Not in real life.
Quote from: Sniger on February 12, 2014, 09:06:43 pm
I think you are maybe abit overprotecting no offence and all, you must have kids IRL :) :)
Not really, although I have nephews.

edit: just to make it clear, I don't care much for an animal who was born and killed in a zoo. I'm concerned about children that were invited to so-called "educational show".
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Clockworkkiller on February 12, 2014, 09:28:49 pm
Butthurt PETA my old friends
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Life on February 12, 2014, 09:31:25 pm
Quote from: Macropus on February 12, 2014, 09:24:39 pm
Dunno about Europe, but in Russia children start learning anatomy in like 12 years. Not in 6-7 years. Not in real life. Not really, although I have nephews.

edit: just to make it clear, I don't care much for an animal who was born and killed in a zoo. I'm concerned about children that were invited to so-called "educational show".

so, your saying learning from a book is more educational than actually learning anatomy hands on? It wasn't forced upon the children to observe animal intestines / lions eating.
I'm sure the kids didn't go to the zoo against their will.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Macropus on February 12, 2014, 09:37:19 pm
Quote from: Life on February 12, 2014, 09:31:25 pm
so, your saying learning from a book is more educational than actually learning anatomy hands on? It wasn't forced upon the children to observe animal intestines / lions eating.
I'm sure the kids didn't go to the zoo against their will.
And that's exactly why I find it sad. What's your point?
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Utrakil on February 12, 2014, 09:46:22 pm
Children in your parents (maybe grandparents) generation which were living in the countryside took part in the prozess of slaughtering animals on a regular basis. they had to hold the bucked to catch the blood and help with all kind of things. This was just a normal part of life. So everybody chillax.
It's only fair to let the children understand where their meat is comming from.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Miwiw on February 12, 2014, 10:34:48 pm
Children from today are simply pussies. It's more than normal to kill animals. After all there has to be some way to get the meat.

I was about 5 when I first helped my grand ma killing a chicken. Later on I also saw the slaughter of pigs and others. It's part of life.
Though it's ofc weird that they pick a giraffe in the first place which is not so common in Europe as a cow for example.  :D
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Xant on February 13, 2014, 06:41:30 am
Killing animals is wrong.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Tovi on February 13, 2014, 10:16:03 am
 With 500 000$ you can feed 10 lions for years...
Some humans deserve to be cage up.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: IR_Kuoin on February 13, 2014, 10:31:52 am
I thought having another Giraffe raised in the Zoo would just benefit them ...

"OMG! We are gonna have one more Giraffe mouth to feed leaves, better cut it up or we'll lose money"
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Kafein on February 13, 2014, 11:00:05 am
The public demonstration is just icing on the cake. They didn't want another giraffe and decided to ditch that one because it was genetically redundant with the others (which is kind of like reversed eugenism). Instead of giving it to another zoo, they decided to kill it. Note that I don't think it was that easy to give it to another zoo because that other zoo had to be part of the same groups.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Jacko on February 13, 2014, 11:37:54 am
The childrens parents made the choice to bring them, and I can't see why this would in any way be harmful to them. They'll find it gross and interesting. Children are far less fragile than adults give them credit for. The Zoo did what the had to do to keep the gene pool clean. This happens a lot when managing animals, it's necessary to keep Zoo's functioning and in the long run have healthy animals. It's a responsible rational decision, just like any farmer would do.

Debate the necessity of Zoo's, instead of misunderstanding basic animal keeping.

Hell, how many healthy animals get killed everyday for no other purpose than to become food for obese humans? As far as captive animals go, Eugene the Giraffe had a good short and meaningful life.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Torben on February 13, 2014, 12:10:25 pm
children have no idea where a burger paddy is made these days,  damn.  Im sure the only normal kids in this game are the finnish dudes that go hunting with their parents.

to actually respect the meat you eat,  you should have at least seen an animal get slaughtered.  It should be like a meat eating drivers licence.

btw for the germans (translated sth like:  farmer decides to slaughter a mooing short neck giraffe:)

http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/02/herzlos-bauer-will-muhende-kurzhals.html
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Smithy on February 13, 2014, 01:34:43 pm
I've personally shot and killed, gutted, skinned, butchered and eaten animals.  Particularly antelope, elk, and deer.  I also have friends whose 10 year old kid has done the same.  Sure he thought it was kind of gross, for about five minutes, but it didn't hurt him.  I believe its very important for everyone to experience this at least once.  It gives you a greater appreciation for meat next time you casually pick up a pound of ground beef at WalMart.

I think kids past the age of say 4 or 5 should witness something similar to this, and then have it fully explained to them by their parents. 

Just my opinion. :)
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Tovi on February 13, 2014, 02:01:57 pm
Did someone red the same thing than me ???
A dude offered 500 000 € !!!!!!
And zoo says : " meeeh, no. Let's cut it in pieces to get a big pile of fresh meat".

The best idea was to kill the zoo's director and to offer his body to lions.
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Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Xant on February 13, 2014, 02:24:18 pm
500,000 is not as big a sum to a zoo as it is to you, my friend.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Tovi on February 13, 2014, 02:33:07 pm
Obviously.
But with that sum, I'm sure I can buy tons of fresh meat.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Xant on February 13, 2014, 02:38:15 pm
Good for you. Maybe you should buy a giraffe and sell it, then.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Tovi on February 13, 2014, 02:49:11 pm
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Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: sF_Guardian on February 13, 2014, 04:26:20 pm
They could have done it in a more natural way.
like... putting it in the lions cage alive and letting the lions hunt it.
But yeah, guess the people would have gone outrage even more then.

Seriously, I'm totally fine with the way they did it, there was no place for it and it had to be killed. Why not give the lion some of it's meat? And about slaughtering it in public:
From what I've heard this is totally normal in Denmark and noone HAS to watch it if it hurts his feelings.

Next people will go on a huge outrage about muslims killing Goats in public...

Fuck PETA and their fucking drama style of turning anything it to a huge thing just to get attention.
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Molly on February 13, 2014, 04:42:48 pm
Quote from: Tovi on February 13, 2014, 02:01:57 pm
Did someone red the same thing than me ???
A dude offered 500 000 € !!!!!!
And zoo says : " meeeh, no. Let's cut it in pieces to get a big pile of fresh meat".

The best idea was to kill the zoo's director and to offer his body to lions.
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It was a private guy and the zoo declined cuz "a giraffe is not a pet". And I applaud them for it.

And nobody complains when the same zoo breeds mice and gas them to feed the snakes?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Sniger on February 13, 2014, 05:18:40 pm
I think you are attacking poor macro a little bit :) everyone is entitled to opinions since it should be a semi-free world last time I checked (5sec ago)  :P
Title: Re: Danish greatsword compromised!
Post by: Macropus on February 13, 2014, 05:41:05 pm
Quote from: Sniger on February 13, 2014, 05:18:40 pm
I think you are attacking poor macro a little bit :)
Macros are lame shit and should be forbidden, what are you talking about  :mrgreen: