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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => The Chamber of Tears => Topic started by: Horst_Kurmoottaja on January 18, 2014, 02:37:29 am

Title: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Horst_Kurmoottaja on January 18, 2014, 02:37:29 am
It is so freaking moronic how much just this one weapontype can kill whole game and mod. Remove these bundle of ass items from game thanks!
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Jack1 on January 18, 2014, 02:38:59 am
Do you want the game to be like your avatar?
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Horst_Kurmoottaja on January 18, 2014, 02:44:05 am
Good point though Jack. Whole situation with ranged is totally out of hand. In my opinion now that i am not so angry its really tricky to get any sense of this situation. Maybe amount of projectiles should be less and then again any great weapons /armor should be lot more expensive to maintain. I mean lot more!
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Juhanius on January 18, 2014, 02:54:54 am
Finaly some people are adressing this issue!...Why keep archery in the game if more viable solution is playing xbow. It is more efficient and more rewarding!?
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Dooz on January 18, 2014, 03:06:20 am
i bet that's exactly what medieval knights said when xbow was introduced
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Brrrak on January 18, 2014, 04:01:28 am
Egads, hath they none honour!?  'Tis but a middling effort to sit there, with only thine pike and thine bolt facing the enemy, with no danger to thine own self.  Whom do you serve, knaves!?  Surely, no one worth serving, as thou dost not give thine heart, fully and truly, to thine lord and master; rather, thou dost sitteth back, lazily in the summer sun, and simply set thy camp at one point of the battle's field.

Truly, it doth sicken me: I am ashamed of this warfare, and will tarry with it no longer. 

Thou mayest have mine family's greatest artefacts of war.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: woody on January 18, 2014, 04:26:17 am
I dont normally contribute to QQ threads but ranged, especially HA/HX and the hordes of foot ranged are messing up the fun element of this mod. At least remove the knockback/stun so the buggers can be chased down.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Angantyr on January 18, 2014, 02:05:27 pm
Decrease ranged damage across the board (currently higher than most melee), especially head shots which can easily take down a 50-ish head armor player in one shot across great distance. Dying to a random shot from across the map without before even entering the battle and having to wait is pretty poor game design.

And give xbows some higher use requirements.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Macbeth3 on January 18, 2014, 02:16:26 pm
Another one of these threads? I'm not gonna bother.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Chosen1 on January 18, 2014, 05:14:51 pm
Quote from: Macbeth3 on January 18, 2014, 02:16:26 pm
Another one of these threads? I'm not gonna bother.

then don't post you shitlord
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: oreshy on January 18, 2014, 05:24:58 pm
Quote from: Dooz on January 18, 2014, 03:06:20 am
i bet that's exactly what medieval knights said when xbow was introduced

...that's historically absolutely & accurately correct. one of the most fear (beside body hyperthermia) from a knight was an' incoming bolt from a "cheap peasant's" hand trough his "expensive majesty" plate. same goes for the first introduced firearms.

..as for the thread : lick my helmet & go play another game/mod.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 18, 2014, 06:13:59 pm
PD requirement I'd say.
Like in countless threads before...
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Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Prpavi on January 18, 2014, 06:25:13 pm
let us not start with realistic historical "facts". this mod has nothing to do (except the looks) with fights in the middle ages.

about xbows, they need either a skill like PD or higher str requirement for high tier xbows.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: the real god emperor on January 18, 2014, 06:47:41 pm
PD for Xbows would be a complete bs. I mean, what do you draw ffs?
But a bigger STR req for them , and less speed would solve the problem, imo...
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Kafein on January 18, 2014, 06:52:15 pm
Quote from: Angantyr on January 18, 2014, 02:05:27 pm
Decrease ranged damage across the board (currently higher than most melee),

Why is everybody asking that> Ranged damage is fine. It should probably do less against plate and more against light armor, but it is more or less fine. What needs a buff is melee damage.

Quote from: Angantyr on January 18, 2014, 02:05:27 pm
especially head shots which can easily take down a 50-ish head armor player in one shot across great distance. Dying to a random shot from across the map without before even entering the battle and having to wait is pretty poor game design.

And give xbows some higher use requirements.

I'd rather slow down projectiles so that that random headshot is easier to avoid. Buff skill, nerf spreadsheets.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Angantyr on January 18, 2014, 08:00:18 pm
May I dare suggest your perspective could be colored more by EU2 than EU1, Kafein? I don't mind ranged damage half as much in siege as I do in battle.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: Kafein on January 18, 2014, 08:13:48 pm
Quote from: Angantyr on January 18, 2014, 08:00:18 pm
May I dare suggest your perspective could be colored more by EU2 than EU1, Kafein? I don't mind ranged damage half as much in siege as I do in battle.

That is very probably true, although I maintain my point about melee damage being too low and projectile speed being too high.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 21, 2014, 10:28:03 pm
it seems to make sense to me that xbows should have some sort of skill investment, as throwing and archery and even melee does (power strike).  Get rid of your realism arguments, it's a matter of balance that they should have some sort of skill investment to use (not just "str" requirement). 

The time to have implemented a skill for xbows however has passed, this should have been done when everyone got free character respecs.

Quote from: Horst_Kurmoottaja on January 18, 2014, 02:44:05 am
Good point though Jack. Whole situation with ranged is totally out of hand. In my opinion now that i am not so angry its really tricky to get any sense of this situation. Maybe amount of projectiles should be less and then again any great weapons /armor should be lot more expensive to maintain. I mean lot more!

Wrong.

Ranged damage on EU servers over the past year:  28%.  Ranged damage on EU over a "few minutes" (dealing millions of damage seems to be over a few minutes time, but I digress):  30% total ranged damage.

NA1 is even less, 26% over a year, and 28% over a small window. 

Go fuck yourself with your anecdotal bullshit (that is wrong, and biased). 

*FULL DISCLOSURE*  I don't have any ranged characters, or any ranged hybrid chars.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on January 21, 2014, 11:18:42 pm
What if they greatly increased reload time for xbows across the board? My +3 Crossbow with 160wpf reloads so fast I can do it on the open and only get hit by enemy ranged if they were already firing at me before I started to reload. +3 heavy xbow isn't much slower...
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: ROHYPNOL on January 22, 2014, 04:15:09 am
It is ranged as a whole not just xbow. All of ranged is bullshit, and is forcing even the better players to do it because they are sick of getting shot up by a bunch of shitties that cannot play any other build. Just revert this POS mod to 3 years ago when it was fun. Crpg devs think they know more than the devs that actually made the game in the first place, there is the problem. I could go into further elaboration but I would rather not.
Title: Re: X-bow has ruined whole mod
Post by: SugarHoe on January 22, 2014, 04:18:01 am
I think the xbows should be like in native. They're not good enough.