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Title: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Atryw on January 08, 2014, 12:36:53 pm
do u think could be possible to play with 2 1h sword, one in each hand... devs please do it
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Moncho on January 08, 2014, 12:42:59 pm
Oh, it's this thread again...
Would need animations, balancing, etc, what would the off hand do?
Also:
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Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Miwiw on January 08, 2014, 12:43:46 pm
No.

Why not 1 spear in 1 hand and flamberge in the other.
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Post by: IR_Kuoin on January 08, 2014, 12:51:36 pm
Why not have two crossbows, and be fucking Rambo.
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Post by: Clockworkkiller on January 08, 2014, 12:53:59 pm
Dual shields.

Imagine the insanity
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Atryw on January 08, 2014, 12:59:28 pm
i have a dream ... one day
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Angantyr on January 08, 2014, 01:02:40 pm
Some really mind-blowing suggestions made in this thread. Fuck.
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Post by: LordBerenger on January 08, 2014, 01:18:28 pm
Dual shields.

Imagine the insanity

Dual bows and draw the strings with your penis
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Radament on January 08, 2014, 01:20:32 pm
I wuold see 2 ballistas in each hand and a flash bomb in the pocket.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Moncho on January 08, 2014, 01:23:12 pm
Dual ponies!
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Atryw on January 08, 2014, 01:24:49 pm
two rondel daggers  :twisted:
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 08, 2014, 01:27:06 pm
Next time, make it shorter by naming the topic: DUAL WIELDING PLZ. Thanks.

two rondel daggers  :twisted:

No dev is cruel enough to make it happen.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: enigmatic_stranger on January 08, 2014, 01:57:33 pm
Dual shields.

Imagine the insanity
meh
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Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 08, 2014, 02:14:37 pm

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Raiden? IS THAT YOU???
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Post by: Kafein on January 08, 2014, 02:17:16 pm
Well, nothing prevents dual horses

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Post by: Grimoald on January 08, 2014, 02:20:41 pm
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If you get your 2 swords , I`ll ask for  tanks
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Latrinenkobold on January 08, 2014, 02:25:14 pm
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implent dual guns while we´re at it
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Atryw on January 08, 2014, 02:26:03 pm
ok so 2 onehand swords class its not something very famous and surely not possible but some replies are funny.. make my day  :lol:
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Working_Class on January 08, 2014, 02:49:11 pm
No.

Why not 1 spear in 1 hand and flamberge in the other.
Now now this isn't Dark Souls  :P
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Osiris on January 08, 2014, 02:59:51 pm
2x nunchuck?

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Post by: Spartacus on January 08, 2014, 03:10:10 pm
Raiden? IS THAT YOU???
Thats not Raiden! (I think)
This is the one from One Piece (his name is Zorro i think)
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Butan on January 08, 2014, 03:21:35 pm
I see only one possibility to add dual wielding in a "realistic" and "cool gameplay" way.

Like presented in the video above, dual wielding could be used in 2 ways:

- using the off-hand as a parrying weapon (dagger, main gauche, small sword with special hooks/guards)
- using the off-hand to attack (cant attack with the primary hand at the same time)


My little suggestion:
What could be done in cRPG about it, would be to add the parrying weapon off-hand functionality only (no option to attack with it). If you chamber someone while having a off-hand parrying weapon, the off-hand parrying weapon would boost the chamber weapon speed (as if you had parried the opponent's weapon with the off-hand). In exchange your primary 1-hand weapon would have the "unbalanced" tag, or reduced speed/damage (or both).

No need for animations (no blocking/attacking animations, just put off-hand model in off-hand position), balancing would be reducing primary weapon strength while adding chamber speed (someone could find another extra bonus the off-hand could give? its just a specific idea) and it would of course forbid the usage of a shield, reducing the survivability on the battlefield against missiles, just like Mr Lloyd said in the video.

Some 1 handers with no shields (the most difficult class in my mind) could choose to do this, and some 1 handers with shield could also use it in certain circumstances where a shield isnt useful.


I think those kind of ideas go hand in hand with nudges/counter-kick and some very very high-level combat trick one could use and would add a little more depth into the actual mechanisms of cRPG skilled fighters niche.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: woody on January 08, 2014, 03:45:05 pm
Ever tried it?

If you dont have kit get a mate with two sticks, you have 1 in two hands. See who lands hits. Switch, repeat. Seriously, try it.

Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 08, 2014, 04:22:56 pm
haha duel wielding, that gave me a good laugh.  We've seen this thread many times, there's no advantage to wielding two weapons instead of one.  It'd be like trying to shoot two hand guns at the same time, good luck with that (pro tip, it's hard enough to be accurate with just one hand gun). 

That being said, people did certainly wield swords in one hand, and then a dagger or dirk in their off hand (to go in for the kill), but I'm thinking that was more in alley brawls or highway ambushes, than in actual battles. 

*EDIT* I should have watched the video of Lindy first, he said almost the same exact thing as I said in my 2nd sentence.   :oops:
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Suchechka on January 08, 2014, 05:29:15 pm
meh
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From what game this screen?
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 08, 2014, 05:31:43 pm
I googled "tus flask +3" and it appears it's from Dark Souls (which I've never played, and really need to)
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: San on January 08, 2014, 05:51:18 pm
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Multiple 2h?
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Butan on January 08, 2014, 06:13:40 pm
Add it but make it shit? :D


Like you can't block, also you do much less damage, also you attack slower. Then people can have their dual wielding swords :D

*if you use a dagger in offhand you can't attack with it but you regain the ability to block just like if you had a 1handed sword on it's own*

Why not, at least we shouldnt always completely drown any innovative ideas in funny but unproductive jokes  :D  I think there is still a lot of stuff one could do to add more gameplay depth to cRPG without endangering the subtle balance of classes and weapons.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: StormFaction on January 08, 2014, 06:30:01 pm
From what game this screen?

dark souls.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Macbeth3 on January 08, 2014, 07:41:26 pm
No. No Dual Wielding. Unrealistic. *Meow*

Looks cool when used in a movie :3
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: LordBerenger on January 08, 2014, 09:36:45 pm
I'll have to remember this vid for the next 100 times this evil thread appears.

Also, why just stop at 2 swords??? Since we're already clearly so invested in anime logic of 'dual wielding so cooool and practical'

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Mmm, Medieval fighter game...

HEY! Roronoa Zoro is an one of a kind. No copycats thx
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Adamar on January 08, 2014, 10:23:23 pm
Why do people think that dual weilding didn't exist? Why the hate?
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Osiris on January 08, 2014, 11:36:45 pm
because there is very little historical fact when it comes to Dual wielding lets have it!!! Itz cool hollywood/anime says so is the usual crap.

It has virtually no advantage over using a weapon with both hands. Its pretty much only seen in martial arts or rapier-dagger combo both in a duel situation. To put it in crpg would mean the secondary weapon would just act like a terrible shield.

Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Tibe on January 08, 2014, 11:45:03 pm
Meh, why not give people dual wield? But significantly reduced damage and lowered speed of swings when doing so. If some players want to be useless morons while hoping to look cool on the field of battle, it should be allowed. This is a free land afterall and everybody has the right to do their retarded shit.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Adamar on January 09, 2014, 12:37:51 am
because there is very little historical fact when it comes to Dual wielding lets have it!!! Itz cool hollywood/anime says so is the usual crap.

The parrying dagger was very real, no? If a man didn't have a 2handed weapon, or the skill to use one, its perfectly logical that he would have something else in his left hand.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Osiris on January 09, 2014, 01:42:35 am
The parrying dagger was very real, no? If a man didn't have a 2handed weapon, or the skill to use one, its perfectly logical that he would have something else in his left hand.

I forgot Parrying daggers were wide spread on medieval battlefields and before. We don't have rapiers so we don't have parrying daggers, they don't fit cRPG and if you want one replace a shield image with a dagger because you wont get double attacks any time soon.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 09, 2014, 11:06:16 am
I forgot Parrying daggers were wide spread on medieval battlefields and before. We don't have rapiers so we don't have parrying daggers, they don't fit cRPG and if you want one replace a shield image with a dagger because you wont get double attacks any time soon.

Parrying daggers were practically slightly longer ordinary daggers. I would bet that before the advent of rapier, they used long daggers in conjuction to arming swords. However not on battlefield. Dagger and sword is mostly centered around duels. If I wanted to have something else besides sword in my hands, I would take shield.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Butan on January 09, 2014, 01:52:30 pm
Dagger and sword is mostly centered around duels. If I wanted to have something else besides sword in my hands, I would take shield.

So every melee should have a shield, because its the smartest thing to do?
Thats like the "get a shield" argument, but in the sense that we should remove content of the game to not let players decide for themselves if they want survivability or not.


I forgot Parrying daggers were wide spread on medieval battlefields and before. We don't have rapiers so we don't have parrying daggers, they don't fit cRPG and if you want one replace a shield image with a dagger because you wont get double attacks any time soon.

Rapiers arent the only usable weapon with a off-hand parrying dagger. Nobody asked for double attacks if you read the thread.
Also the "not fit cRPG" argument is weak, cRPG have ninjas and exotic weapons may I remind you.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 09, 2014, 03:10:39 pm
So every melee should have a shield, because its the smartest thing to do?
Thats like the "get a shield" argument, but in the sense that we should remove content of the game to not let players decide for themselves if they want survivability or not.


Nah the point was: If I knew I will fight in a conflict which counts several tens/hundreds of combatants, I would rather take an arming sword and shield, than arming sword and dagger.  It was not meant to be a comment on any gameplay mechanic or feature whatsoever.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Butan on January 09, 2014, 03:56:53 pm
Nah the point was: If I knew I will fight in a conflict which counts several tens/hundreds of combatants, I would rather take an arming sword and shield, than arming sword and dagger.  It was not meant to be a comment on any gameplay mechanic or feature whatsoever.

Then I agree with you completely. But since in cRPG your life isnt on the line, you see no shielders everywhere. Thus except if we want to push a real life battlefield experience, why not add a off-hand gameplay? Which exact gameplay is up to debate.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 09, 2014, 04:08:33 pm
The parrying dagger was very real, no? If a man didn't have a 2handed weapon, or the skill to use one, its perfectly logical that he would have something else in his left hand.

Sure in a duel, or when they were caught off guard and ambushed.  I doubt they'd go into battle using their second hand on a dagger rather than using a shield, or holding a weapon with two hands.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Osiris on January 09, 2014, 05:16:14 pm
point is moot. The devs are not going to change the whole combat system to allow offhand combat for a couple of people, at best you will get a dagger that acts like a buckler.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Butan on January 09, 2014, 06:05:57 pm
point is moot. The devs are not going to change the whole combat system to allow offhand combat for a couple of people, at best you will get a dagger that acts like a buckler.

Would be cool  :D
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 10, 2014, 11:21:12 am
Then I agree with you completely. But since in cRPG your life isnt on the line, you see no shielders everywhere. Thus except if we want to push a real life battlefield experience, why not add a off-hand gameplay? Which exact gameplay is up to debate.

Well I am not opposed to dual wielding at all. However I am more concerned about devs being able to pull off something like that.

Also, I would like to see some different weapon stances.
Title: Re: new class idea? 2 x 1h sword
Post by: Sniger on January 10, 2014, 02:05:54 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphallia
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Post by: Fredom on January 10, 2014, 03:48:30 pm
Double Long Bow trolololol
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Post by: Nightmare798 on January 10, 2014, 08:06:45 pm
Double Long Bow trolololol

How do you draw that?
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Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 10, 2014, 08:25:41 pm
Knee hooks...duhhhhh (or maybe some sort of hooks around your waist)