Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on December 29, 2013, 10:26:14 am
I dont get shot through my shield. Maybe you missed that but you have to press and hold right mouse button to activate your directional autoblocker. Hard I know.
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Post by: Panos_ on December 29, 2013, 10:29:51 am
What was that vidar?? you grew tired getting shot? LOL GET A SHIELD :lol:
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Post by: Osiris on December 29, 2013, 12:00:35 pm
don't go to native or any other mod then :D same thing happens ^^
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Moncho on December 29, 2013, 12:19:34 pm
It's the downside of big shields, as compared to the smaller higher armour ones. You can either cover your whole body more easily and more resistance to nonshieldbreakers that can get shot through in a few very special cases or have smaller shields (that still cover almost your whole body), more resistant shield vs nonshieldbreakers, faster, etc, that will rarely get shot through.
If you do not want it to happen, get a higher armour shield:
One point of armor can make the difference again crossbow bolt penetration. I think 15-20 armor is about the range where it gets interesting against an arbalest keeping air friction induced damage loss in mind.
Though I personally rarely suffer it with a heavy round shield, with quite low armor.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Ronin on December 29, 2013, 12:42:17 pm
I think there is a certain weak spot of shields that allow crossbow bolts to pass through. For that, just move your shield and yourself around a little bit to not allow it to happen.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 01:19:29 pm
i was shot THROUGH the shield by dave (again!) closerange. he was aiming at me with xbow so i keep shield up and wait for him to shoot either for me feet or go melee. but he just shot straight through my shield, hs (neck). its ooooold bug or glitch or "feature" (LOL realism go home) thingy where there's a spot on the shield you can shoot thru and dave is a prick and a fucking my old friend taking advantage of it instead of fighting me, he could kill me easily in melee. but fuck dave he is just a lamer exploiter tard and crpg is just a queer fucked up mod that started good but due to too much tinkering its ruined. devs refuse to see and understand and/or they just favorites themselves and/or friends so they can be kings in their own tiny virtual world. they don't give a shit about balance or other classes than the ones they play themselves.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 01:24:34 pm
weak spots and laser bolts my white Danish ass!
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Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 01:31:47 pm
but dave is just a merc. mercs would recruit the entire player base if they could and stack the server 24/7. mercs prefer to play vs. team with handicaps and stay from fair 1vs1 fights vs. noobs cus WHAT IF THE NOOBIE KILLS THEM?! THEN THEY LOST FACE TO THEIR AWESOME MERC CLAN! lols
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Miwiw on December 29, 2013, 01:40:18 pm
So, rename thread to "Mercs do cheat and are scared of duels" ?
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on December 29, 2013, 01:49:10 pm
Which shield did you use?
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 02:17:37 pm
huscarl and I have 7 skill but it doesn't matter what shield I used all the shields have "weak spots" fucking ridiculous its still in game and not fixed we have loads of items and people cry for even more features and items but what about the basics???
yes I think its a bug or glitch or simply a dev-brainfart. please remove it.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Rumblood on December 29, 2013, 03:55:37 pm
I believe it is just the xbow that will do that. And we all know xbows need a buff, right....RIGHT?
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: sF_Guardian on December 29, 2013, 05:35:10 pm
So much rage, this is pure joy for me :)
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Life on December 29, 2013, 05:40:23 pm
pretty sure its just arbalest that can shoot through huscarl with 7 shield.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on December 29, 2013, 05:43:52 pm
only arba can do that, the huscarl shield can get shot through with +3 arba and +3 steel bolts + speed bonus from forward movement + very close range shield skill doesnt change anything as far as I know
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sagar on December 29, 2013, 06:21:38 pm
Crossbow screaming for Power Draw.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on December 29, 2013, 06:22:56 pm
Sagar using every opportunity to QQ :rolleyes:
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Post by: Hirlok on December 29, 2013, 06:31:16 pm
xbow needs buff and certainly no equivalent to PD... :mrgreen:
BUT....
shooting through shields on certain occasions has been a feature of ARBS for years now... sooooooo??? What's new and whineworthy about it NAO???
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sagar on December 29, 2013, 06:48:28 pm
First, that is not QQ, but common sense suggestion to reduce ranged population. Second, go thru my posts and find where I using every opportunity to QQ ...
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on December 29, 2013, 07:06:30 pm
First, that is not QQ, but common sense suggestion to reduce ranged population. Second, go thru my posts and find where I using every opportunity to QQ ...
and here we go again... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: San on December 29, 2013, 07:34:55 pm
Piercing shield is kind of dumb when there is the option to aim for the feet or around a gap. I don't really see any gameplay benefits to having it in.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Teeth on December 29, 2013, 07:42:09 pm
It is an unnecessary mechanic that makes shielders a less effective counter to crossbows than they should be. Having a shield should mean safety from being shot from the front period.
Grumpy Nic as a crossbowman using every opportunity to jump on the breaches for his precious class. Crossbow is a damn strong class bordering on the OP and doesn't need this kind of bullshit.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Lizard_man on December 29, 2013, 07:48:50 pm
but dave is just a merc. mercs would recruit the entire player base if they could and stack the server 24/7. mercs prefer to play vs. team with handicaps and stay from fair 1vs1 fights vs. noobs cus WHAT IF THE NOOBIE KILLS THEM?! THEN THEY LOST FACE TO THEIR AWESOME MERC CLAN! lols
QQ! bundle of sticks...
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 08:12:30 pm
join a clan and be cool lizard.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 08:43:05 pm
and pls stop the QQ spam its a wow term and you look terrible when using it, QQ is not the same as T_T if we are to argue pop culture, but who cares you don't, you just wanna cause some misery and grief where you can
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Lizard_man on December 29, 2013, 08:57:56 pm
Misery and grief? Right!
Quit crying like a bitch... Better?
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Life on December 29, 2013, 09:22:59 pm
why not buff shields a little instead of nerfing everything to hell?
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 29, 2013, 09:23:55 pm
why not buff shields a little instead of nerfing everything to hell?
Buffing shield resistances across the board might make them unintentionally too strong compared to resolving the problem directly.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Ronin on December 29, 2013, 10:23:47 pm
This thing doesn't really benefit gameplay much if you ask me.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Leshma on December 29, 2013, 11:04:43 pm
Listen Sniger, go buy yourself Rust (you can get it cheap if you use TF2 keys) and take a break from cRPG for awhile. When you come back, things may improve or may not. But the thing is, we'll be closer to Melee or M&B2 if you prefer that. No need to get angry at something ancient as cRPG.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Osiris on December 29, 2013, 11:08:27 pm
its not even crpg. Its an original warband feature afaik :P
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on December 29, 2013, 11:09:39 pm
Listen Sniger, go buy yourself Rust (you can get it cheap if you use TF2 keys) and take a break from cRPG for awhile. When you come back, things may improve or may not. But the thing is, we'll be closer to Melee or M&B2 if you prefer that. No need to get angry at something ancient as cRPG.
It's so confusing when you change personality completely every two months.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Leshma on December 29, 2013, 11:18:12 pm
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Post by: Apsod on December 30, 2013, 12:14:44 am
:lol:
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 30, 2013, 12:20:54 am
moar mbg hype. lols
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: DaveUKR on December 30, 2013, 02:41:13 pm
You probably never read my guide. So, I'll give you some tips how to avoid such frustrating situations (also, take into account that most of crossbowmen don't know how to do it properly).
1. Penetrating shields is dangerous when your enemy has heavy crossbow (Arbalest and Heavy Crossbow: you never know what particular crossbow he has unless you saw the reloading speed because both weapons have the same model). The margin of damage for shield penetration is "Shield body armour x 3 + 30", i.e. masterpiece heavy round shield has 19 body armour, so the penetrating damage should be at least "19x3+30=87". At this mark (87 damage, the raw damage of MW heavy xbow + MW steel bolts) it will penetrate the shield but won't do any damage.
2. Shields with high body armour are impossible to penetrate. Even +3 elite cavalry shield or +3 huscarl round shield are already almost impossible to shoot through and require a huge experience of a shooter. So if you're frustrated a lot - use elite cavalry shield/huscarl round shield/knightly kite shield/knightly heater shield/any plate shield.
3. Speed bonuses mean much. If you're facing an experienced crossbowman - try to move sideways. I move myself towards charging shielder to amplify speed bonus even more, it gives me some extra damage points. Just never charge an experienced crossbowman, even if he has a weak crossbow. When I used lighter crossbows I sometimes took risk to make this trick (watch video) but you have to remember that it's possible even with arbalest.
4. Head amplifies received damage, that's why I always try to shoot into the head/neck because even the weakest peasant shield absorbs some damage being penetrated or even destroyed. Sometimes I shoot into the body but I never shoot into the legs if I want to penetrate the shield because hitboxes of legs reduce incoming damage (I only shoot legs when I'm facing a buckler user as it's impossible to penetrate this shield). There are no weak spots of shields. Me or some other players can call them so but it's mostly body's weak spots, not shield's.
5. Don't be mad. If something frustrates you - there is always a counter frustrating method. If enemy shield is trying to penetrate your shield and lets you come too close - you can make a couple of side steps and nudge him - he will fall down. Most crossbowmen are not aware of this.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Leshma on December 30, 2013, 02:57:05 pm
We'll see who's going to be mad when they nerf xbow to the ground :D
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: DaveUKR on December 30, 2013, 02:59:44 pm
We'll see who's going to be mad when they nerf xbow to the ground :D
Trust me, I've seen so many xbow nerfs. Furthermore, I'm one of the front lobbyists to nerf ranged including crossbows. Anyway, I don't play often this year and even if they make xbows completely unplayable - I'll just switch to melee build and there will be other tears :lol:
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Strudog on December 30, 2013, 03:37:09 pm
Buff Mercs, they need to be more pro, this is what i got from this thread
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 30, 2013, 03:40:31 pm
This discussion has been up I bet several times in the past. I don't really care about why and how you can shoot thru it, its a frikkin class breaking garbage mechanic and I cannot comprehend why the heck it haven't been removed or changed in some way! And dave you still need to stop the lame wank! you know what I mean! give me a fight instead of the queer exploiting. this is semi-cheater tears. please use another weapon and farm the other tears you mentioned. you will not get those from me. I'm always up for a fight against a skilled player and I don't mind dropping in a fair manner either.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Leshma on December 30, 2013, 06:18:33 pm
Trust me, I've seen so many xbow nerfs. Furthermore, I'm one of the front lobbyists to nerf ranged including crossbows. Anyway, I don't play often this year and even if they make xbows completely unplayable - I'll just switch to melee build and there will be other tears :lol:
Dave, I might not be here as long as you are. But I've seen you rage plenty of times, even rage quit the game because of silly thing such as rain or devs not caring about your work on the mod. Which is perfectly normal. Just don't understand why are you saying him to be chill when you had your own "moments".
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 30, 2013, 06:26:11 pm
get a knightly heater shield, problem solved.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: DaveUKR on December 30, 2013, 06:32:32 pm
Dave, I might not be here as long as you are. But I've seen you rage plenty of times, even rage quit the game because of silly thing such as rain or devs not caring about your work on the mod. Which is perfectly normal. Just don't understand why are you saying him to be chill when you had your own "moments".
I never quit because of rain or devs not caring about my work, I just withdrew my application. Sure, I have my "moments", sometimes these moments take months and that was the perfect irony to post that video :mrgreen: I quit the mod only once for like 8 months when they made a lot of silly things (like forced bugged first person for crossbows and other things) but they fixed it and I came back occasionally. Now I simply don't have time to play.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Sniger on December 31, 2013, 11:29:09 am
when you do play, try play it as its suppose to be played. if that is too doll for you, perhaps its time to move on and find some other game to waste your life on
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Teeth on December 31, 2013, 12:11:42 pm
I never quit because of rain or devs not caring about my work, I just withdrew my application. Sure, I have my "moments", sometimes these moments take months and that was the perfect irony to post that video :mrgreen: I quit the mod only once for like 8 months when they made a lot of silly things (like forced bugged first person for crossbows and other things) but they fixed it and I came back occasionally. Now I simply don't have time to play.
I thought you quit because of cancer?
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Leshma on December 31, 2013, 12:57:30 pm
Why you have to bring that up?
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Post by: Kafein on December 31, 2013, 01:16:07 pm
Trust me, I've seen so many xbow nerfs. Furthermore, I'm one of the front lobbyists to nerf ranged including crossbows. Anyway, I don't play often this year and even if they make xbows completely unplayable - I'll just switch to melee build and there will be other tears :lol:
I never mind to die in melee. Its because I screwed up or the other player is better than me. Xbow is just cheap, it takes a special mentality to take satisfaction in those kills when you're actually good at the game without it. Then you add that you don't really have requirements so you can hybrid good melee builds with them, just makes no sense they do the damage they do for such little input from the player
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 31, 2013, 03:52:31 pm
Huscarl's don't have enough resistance to protect properly against xbows (read arbalests). Suit yourself however. I've never once had a projectile penetrate through my knighlty heater shield.
4 shield skill shields are the best shields in the game (well just the knightly heater & knightly kite, possibly would include plate covered round shield)
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Penitent on December 31, 2013, 04:06:19 pm
I can only speak from personal experience. When I had only 3 shield skill and a kite shield, my shield got shot through some times. I was quite surprised because I was not used to this.
Now I have 4 shield skill and a heavy kite shield, and it never gets shot through. Sometimes my foot may get hit, or my head if I"m holding the shield too low -- but I have not experienced a shield penetration yet though many have tried.
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Post by: Jarlek on December 31, 2013, 06:23:16 pm
It's kinda funny how almost all shields can be shot THROUGH by crossbows, while the few who can't are easily shot around/above/below.
It's fucked up that having a shield is usually worse than not having one when you are going against ranged.
Yeah, a shield shouldn't give you COMPLETE cover against ranged, but full FRONTAL cover is something completely different. Gotta agree with Teeth.
It is an unnecessary mechanic that makes shielders a less effective counter to crossbows than they should be. Having a shield should mean safety from being shot from the front period.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: Kafein on January 01, 2014, 03:14:34 am
Huscarl's don't have enough resistance to protect properly against xbows (read arbalests). Suit yourself however. I've never once had a projectile penetrate through my knighlty heater shield.
4 shield skill shields are the best shields in the game (well just the knightly heater & knightly kite, possibly would include plate covered round shield)
I was just saying that getting shot through a knightly heather is not impossible.
Title: Re: WTF is up with the shooting through shield?
Post by: DaveUKR on January 01, 2014, 08:03:42 pm
That happened a long time before my disease. Also if you were right by me now - I'd smashed your face to pieces. I believe that only a rare slice of muck can provoke like this.