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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => The Chamber of Tears => Topic started by: Kirbyy on December 21, 2013, 11:49:59 pm
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Cav is getting too common amongst the players, and it's getting really fucking annoying. Horse bumping everywhere, couching everywhere, ruin their fun and make the repairs 100k plz thx.
btw: I'm totally serious, not exaggerating at all. good logic guyz, i'm being supr srs
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Look it's Mount N Blade Man.
Have you ever played cav? Losing min 250k every gen?
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Lol i loose more with my elite scimitar (now sold)
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Destrier: 1.6k
Large wh: 2.6k
Reduce the cost of repair please!!
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I was thinking of making them cheaper and doing more damage with bumps against low armour
What we need atm is a good counter class to ranged. Cav should shit on light armour and ranged shouldn't be using medium/heavy armour
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Kirby is actually playing as a pikeman right now, while complaining about cav.
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i see neither a problem in ranged or cav, but their numbers. things will balance themselves out. they always have
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i see neither a problem in ranged or cav, but their numbers. things will balance themselves out. they always have
The problem is that people switch to ranged if the number of ranged is too high. People should be encouraged to switch to cav or shielder for a more balanced server
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The problem is that people switch to ranged if the number of ranged is too high. People should be encouraged to switch to cav or shielder for a more balanced server
that would be nice.
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Super serious EU downvote :( I'm just saying, there needs to be some reason for less people to play cav, because the amount of players with armored horses is just sickening.
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the problem is that people had too much time accumulating money. for a new player horses are expensive like shit. so only solution would be a complete reset. but nobody will like this.
just enjoy dehorsing them and become a horsekiller. it is a lot of fun.
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BAd suggestion = downvote, whats wrong with it?
On EU we have no cav problem, we have a serious ranged problem and thus we need more cav so horses bein more expensive is not really our aim.
Besides that "make the repairs 100k plz thx" is just a basic retard attemt to be funny.
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Chamber of tears maybe?
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Look it's Mount N Blade Man.
Have you ever played cav? Losing min 250k every gen?
Retire once, play for two gen...
This is not Mount & Blade, this is cRPG. If you want Mount & Blade you should go on Mount & Blade forums and talk with turkish devs, admins and moderators. From what I've know, we have no any of those around here.
Cav isn't too common on EU1, but it is huge advantage and always will be. But in strategus, it's hard to play because they are everywhere.
I'm not supporting OP because I don't think cav should be nerfed, but have to say that cav in this game is one of the most retarded things ever.
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You shouldn't have to balance with repair costs. Its a cop out from actually balancing the gameplay and gives an advantage to people just because they played more
Cav should be a better counter to ranged and less expensive imo so people don't just go ranged to counter ranged. But infantry should still be good against them
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I need less awlpike stabs to kill fully armored knight who is retreating (back backpedaling) than to kill medium armored horse who is galloping towards me at epic speed. That is because things are badly balanced.
First, not every archer should get pierce damage by picking bodkins arrows. It's realistic but gameplay wise it's bullshit. Only Longbowmen should kill amored horses. Why? Cause this is eurocentric mod, and euro gear should be dominant. If you want to roleplay asian char, go somewhere else or deal with malus that goes with your choice of gear.
Next, armored horses should have way less HP but higher armor rating. That way slashing at horses won't kill them but stabbing with antihorse weapons will deal massive damage. Currently, loomed armored horses can take up to four MW Awlpike stabs which is a joke because it's so freaking easy to block stabs after pikeman stop your horse. It is meant to work as counter to horses, not infantry but I'm afraid it's better anti-infantry weapon than anti-cav.
Also, while it was broken before there is certain point to armored horses having weaker legs than the portion covered by plate. It shouldn't be 0 armor but legs should have same armor rating as unarmored horses. Why is that? Because it's hard to hit legs (only small part are actually leg hitbox) and because blocking on horses is still quite broken (they promised a fix ages ago) hitting legs is usually only way to avoid the block.
Also bumping and bump damage, must be toned down. It was super strong, then weak, then again super strong. Find the middle ground.
After all these changes, you can lower the price of armored horses for all I care.
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Retire once, play for two gen...
This is not Mount & Blade, this is cRPG. If you want Mount & Blade you should go on Mount & Blade forums and talk with turkish devs, admins and moderators. From what I've know, we have no any of those around here.
Well I'm a moderator myself and I'm turkish :)
Mods and admins don't have anything to do with game development, it is the developers only that are associated with the game development. This game is Mount&Blade and cRPG is a modification of it, no matter how modificated it is.
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Why? Cause this is eurocentric mod, and euro gear should be dominant. If you want to roleplay asian char, go somewhere else or deal with malus that goes with your choice of gear.
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Well I'm a moderator myself and I'm turkish :)
Mods and admins don't have anything to do with game development, it is the developers only that are associated with the game development. This game is Mount&Blade and cRPG is a modification of it, no matter how modificated it is.
This mod is so different from original Warband, in almost every way. It has changed so much over past 3 years, it could be separate game if not for legal issues.
This mod added more stuff to Warband, than Bannerlord will. Next Mount&Blade looks like a bit more of same old aka milking the cash cow. Haven't seen anything interesting or new, even menu graphics is different coloured old stuff.
On the other hand, devs of this mod are making a new game from scratch which already looks awesome and fresh aka different.
I know you're Turkish, but I'm not to keen to respect that because I remember how your comrade BattalGazi who isn't even living in Turkey and speaks better English than some British players, reacted to Melee announcement. Let's just say that he called chadz a thief for stealing "original" turkish idea and not keeping developing mods for free (for Bannerlord).
So no, this is not Mount&Blade anymore. It is free mod for Mount&Blade but it's so much more. It's much heavier on resources, has different graphics, different gamemodes, different animation, different geat etc.
@Prpavi
I know you have a thing for far eastern culture and that you're otaku but facts are facts. You know very well how weeaboo gear was always in the shadow of european gear. It has to be like that because that's the way of this mod. It's not like that because I'm saying it or Paul saying otherwise, it is because that's how it shaped over last 3 years. Paul would be a massive twat if he tries to change that by force.
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@Prpavi
I know you have a thing for far eastern culture and that you're otaku but facts are facts. You know very well how weeaboo gear was always in the shadow of european gear. It has to be like that because that's the way of this mod. It's not like that because I'm saying it or Paul saying otherwise, it is because that's how it shaped over last 3 years. Paul would be a massive twat if he tries to change that by force.
No, it's not about me at all. I don't have a problem with using samurai gear or chinese stuff, there aren't many items indeed, but I'm still greatfull for the ones that are there and those few pieces are really kickass imo. I do enjoy playing a plated knight too or an arabian solider, would hate to be restricted to one single culture.
I'd say you got fair enough of equipement from many regions of the world in this mod, sure European preavails but there are stilll lots of choices. As for being eurocentric, I think we all are in a way, kinda hard not to be, but Paul yeah, he can't wait to drop in and point out how Longwsord was much "better" than a Katana. It's like arguing are nVidia or AMD gfx cards better.
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Super serious EU downvote :( I'm just saying, there needs to be some reason for less people to play cav, because the amount of players with armored horses is just sickening.
it really seems like a "seasonal thing"
in EU we had phases of high cav percentages, now we have an archer/ranged problem...
it usually always balances itself out.
I am a cav/melee hybrid, but am mostly playing with a long war axe lately, fighting cav. cause its rly a lot of fun to head shot cav with short weapons, they usually dont expect it, and its my favorite thing to do atm. you should really try : )
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This mod is so different from original Warband, in almost every way. It has changed so much over past 3 years, it could be separate game if not for legal issues.
This mod is so different from original Warband; and so are Vikingr, PWmod, Deluge etc. (one also should not forget SP mods, especially The Last Days of The Middle Earth; a mod for Mount&Blade 1.011) The fact that cRPG is different, doesn't make it a whole new game. I don't really think names are that important to be honest. For me, there are not many differences between a mod and a game. Both have my respect equally. But saying cRPG is not a modification of Warband, is simply not true.
This mod added more stuff to Warband, than Bannerlord will. Next Mount&Blade looks like a bit more of same old aka milking the cash cow. Haven't seen anything interesting or new, even menu graphics is different coloured old stuff.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. They didn't release Bannerlord yet. And the thing I've heard is, they will make it so that modding area will also be much more improved if not for the new game enhancements they will bring.
On the other hand, devs of this mod are making a new game from scratch which already looks awesome and fresh aka different.
I can not say I trust the developers of this game. They modded an awesome game and really improved it in a lot fields a lot, but they also introduced many broken game mechanics that the original game never had. One might argue about the balance of native, but it didn't have that many broken game aspects. 1h thrust, polearm thrust, 2h thrust, cRPG kick (let's be honest, it is stupid), upkeep imbalance. Even the name melee battlegrounds is meh, and suggests it will reward infantry classes more than the other classes. I don't really hope much from it and probably stick with bannerlord and it's modifications. If both bannerlord and melee will be crap, I'll simply stop playing them both. No need to be diehard fanatic of any game.
I know you're Turkish, but I'm not to keen to respect that because I remember how your comrade BattalGazi who isn't even living in Turkey and speaks better English than some British players, reacted to Melee announcement. Let's just say that he called chadz a thief for stealing "original" turkish idea and not keeping developing mods for free (for Bannerlord).
When did I say I was expecting some respect because of the country I was born in? I just told that because you told me to contact with turkish moderators, while I was being both by chance. About BattalGazi, I am not responsible of any person but myself. Nor anyone is responsible of me. Not that I don't agree with Battalgazi though.
So no, this is not Mount&Blade anymore. It is free mod for Mount&Blade but it's so much more. It's much heavier on resources, has different graphics, different gamemodes, different animation, different geat etc.
Just a few different animations, which some of them are also shared as OSP files in the taleworlds forum (archer animation for instance) Most of the animations are also Warband animations. Different gear: all of them are OSP and are also used in different mods. It is very heavier on resources, which are built on top of Warband resources just like every other mod. Different gamemodes, yes very different gamemodes: Siege(present in native), Battle(present in native), DTV (Simplified version of other Invasion type mods), Rageball (it was nice but not present anymore), Duel (present in native), Strategus (it is a very good gamemode in idea, but a bit boring at the moment because of plate based armies and stupid game design that promotes crowded clans; not the strategy), Commander mode (hell it was the best thing I've ever seen, but sadly nonexistent at the moment. Although it uses SP gameplay idea, there's not much to it resourcewise).
It is not a wholly new game at all.
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Kirby, you're so autistic. You're a polearm complaining about cav. If you had a good team with ranged on it or throwers there wouldn't be such a problem. The horse is such a big target for ranged and you can get 1 shotted by a my old friend 1h staber that jumps up cuz of speed , that horse gets rekt all the time and the upkeep is already a lot, I had 6 k repairs when I was cav
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it really seems like a "seasonal thing"
in EU we had phases of high cav percentages, now we have an archer/ranged problem...
it usually always balances itself out.
I am a cav/melee hybrid, but am mostly playing with a long war axe lately, fighting cav. cause its rly a lot of fun to head shot cav with short weapons, they usually dont expect it, and its my favorite thing to do atm. you should really try : )
You're playing cav cause you suck at everything else. You're probably among easiest cav to deal with then dehorsed. Typical crutcher. Keep downvoting me, punk.
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yes and also give huge buff
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Buy 2d polearm-> wait behind team-> stop horses-> farm valor-> win
I do this for valor any time there are tons of cav on the server. My record is 56 points, 0 kills in one round. Thanks cav!
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You already pay a shit-ton for items that makes you worse off against aware enemies. I don't see any reason for it to be made more expensive.
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You're playing cav cause you suck at everything else. You're probably among easiest cav to deal with then dehorsed. Typical crutcher. Keep downvoting me, punk.
o0 dude get the sand out of your vagina where the hell did I offend you for you to be pissing up my leg. woha.
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Horses should not be available as equipment at all: instead, horses should be players. If you want to ride a horse, you should have to find someone who is playing as a horse. The horse player would control his own movement while the rider attacks.
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Yeah. That way greasy nerds could finally ride me.
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Horses should not be available as equipment at all: instead, horses should be players. If you want to ride a horse, you should have to find someone who is playing as a horse. The horse player would control his own movement while the rider attacks.
Haha I actually like this idea, seriously
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Haha I actually like this idea, seriously
The rider would be able to influence the horse though, so a rider and horse trying to do two different things would be less efficient than both on the same page (like rider trying to go left and horse trying to go right, the horse would go right, but not as quickly as if the rider was assisting or not trying to control at all)
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The rider would be able to influence the horse though, so a rider and horse trying to do two different things would be less efficient than both on the same page (like rider trying to go left and horse trying to go right, the horse would go right, but not as quickly as if the rider was assisting or not trying to control at all)
I'd rather have the "horse" player in full and exclusive control of the beast but given "hints" as to what the rider wants to do, like a rally pilot that receives instructions from the co-pilot. The horse player would get score based on how well he followed instructions but also a part of the rider's score.
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I´d be for a turn degree nerf for 1hcav and HA as lance cav received some years ago
it´s just plain stupid that ha can practically break their backbone in the saddle and shoot backwars, as 1hcav can kill foes which are standing right behind a horse, with the same amount of impact. That´s just everything else than logical or realistic
HXbow somehow already have this turn range restriction, so why are HA and 1Hcav an exception?
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Plated charger repair cost 4592 gold. That is pretty much, I lose money everytime I play cav, cant get even not with x5 all the time.
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Cav is getting too common amongst the players, and it's getting really fucking annoying. Horse bumping everywhere, couching everywhere, ruin their fun and make the repairs 100k plz thx.
btw: I'm totally serious, not exaggerating at all. good logic guyz, i'm being supr srs
You MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD?!
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btw: I'm totally serious, not exaggerating at all. good logic guyz, i'm being supr srs
Mightiest weapon against cav is AWARENESS. We can only get you if you don´t keep an eye on your surroundings. If you do, the cav people are doomed, because every little fart, even a fuckin glance, can stop a charging horse. And if the horse stays still, it´s mostly over.
Please go and try to play cav, see through the eyes of your enemies and you will see that they have to struggle with similar shit like "THEY 1SHOT MY FUCKING HORSE AGAIN YEH FUCKING GREAT SHIT" or "WHY DID THIS DAGGER STOP MY CHARGING HORSE FUU" or "OH GOD CAN SOMEBODY PLEAAASE KILL THAT HA/HorseThrower/HorseXBow WHO IS CHASING ME OH FUCK DEAD AGAIN"
yes. :lol:
also, it´s pretty expensive
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I´d be for a turn degree nerf for 1hcav and HA as lance cav received some years ago
it´s just plain stupid that ha can practically break their backbone in the saddle and shoot backwars, as 1hcav can kill foes which are standing right behind a horse, with the same amount of impact. That´s just everything else than logical or realistic
HXbow somehow already have this turn range restriction, so why are HA and 1Hcav an exception?
I don't see why this is an issue with 1h cav. They can't hit people behind their horse at all, only on the sides.
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I don't see why this is an issue with 1h cav. They can't hit people behind their horse at all, only on the sides.
they can
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I can't count for how many times I unintentionally tk'ed a teammate because of that absurd hitspot. If you think it will nerf 1h cav, go for it! It's actually a buff in my eyes.
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Revert lance angles w00t!
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Revert lance angles w00t!
or that :lol: