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Strategus => Diplomacy => Topic started by: Adoptagoat on December 10, 2013, 03:55:44 am

Title: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 10, 2013, 03:55:44 am
'Invincibility lies in the defence.' -Sun Tzu

As there seems to be some confusion on the subject, I'd like to make it publicly clear that TKoV will be defending its castles and namesake.  We have currently gone with the oh so popular turtle strategy to allow our members to finish finals. We call upon all old allies and friends to stand with us upon the Velucan ramparts, and to join us in sorties in the coming weeks.

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: StonedSteel on December 10, 2013, 07:57:14 pm
hmmm

fight for an American goat ....or French Can--

Goat wins...hands down

IM WITH ZE GOAT, VIVE LA GOAT!
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: betard_lulz on December 11, 2013, 01:17:47 am
Huzzah!
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 11, 2013, 04:22:48 am
And some one has shit night time settings.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: MURDERTRON on December 11, 2013, 04:25:07 am
Hey remember that time that Arowaine retreated from a castle defense?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: arowaine on December 11, 2013, 04:57:48 am
And some one has shit night time settings.

se we arent the only one who do that kind of mistake still
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Kirbyy on December 11, 2013, 05:14:39 am
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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 11, 2013, 05:33:02 am
Those are indeed some shitty nighttime settings.  Ryan will change them shortly.  Apologies all around, but it'd have been nice for you to give us the week for finals that we asked for, in which case this wouldn't have happened.

Edit: Syls wasn't the owner when the battle was initiated.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: sJimmy on December 11, 2013, 06:06:58 am
Sucks that yall have finals this week, I wish you yall good luck on them. As for mine are next week. The attack was on the 3rd with the 1st battle being on the 4th.  It is true that you did not have not a full week prepare; but you did have more than 3 days to prepare. Too bad about the nighttime it does happen. Its not like yall didn't know it was going to happen. But at lest we can enjoy the XP.  And again good luck in yalls finals.
-sJimmy
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Taser on December 11, 2013, 07:03:51 am
No matter though. Veluca will not fall. Not as long as a velucan defends its walls.

Sadly I can't make my own village defense. Wish I could.

Sucks that yall have finals this week, I wish you yall good luck on them. As for mine are next week. The attack was on the 3rd with the 1st battle being on the 4th.  It is true that you did not have not a full week prepare; but you did have more than 3 days to prepare. Too bad about the nighttime it does happen. Its not like yall didn't know it was going to happen. But at lest we can enjoy the XP.  And again good luck in yalls finals.
-sJimmy

That's cool of you man. Enjoy the xp and hopefully I can actually join in one of our own defenses soon.

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: dynamike on December 11, 2013, 03:29:32 pm
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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Hobb on December 12, 2013, 08:01:10 pm
Yo Kesh, Gondor could use some Rohan right about now.

Also, don't we have a get-a-town-back-free-from-bullshit card laying around somewhere, LCO?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 12, 2013, 10:51:38 pm
My favorite part about this is how Orlando accused us of lying to the community twice. Also how McDeath went to your TS and got mercs to sign up against you, EXACTLY LIKE how Kesh did that to us towards the beginning of strat. GF you fucking hypocritical fucks.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lemon on December 12, 2013, 11:22:15 pm
Veluca stands stood*
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: BaleOhay on December 12, 2013, 11:23:29 pm
Lco can do the right thing here yet. I will wait to see what happens. Otherwise I know how I will vote in the war council
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Creslin on December 12, 2013, 11:42:33 pm
My favorite part about this is how Orlando accused us of lying to the community twice. Also how McDeath went to your TS and got mercs to sign up against you, EXACTLY LIKE how Kesh did that to us towards the beginning of strat. GF you fucking hypocritical fucks.

INB4 TKoV is FCC, TKoV is an FCC vassal.  Also, this does make it twice.  Remember that time Rhalzo told everyone we were trying to bribe mercs off of MB's roster?  Yeah, the whole story is that Rhalzo approached a TKoV officer about switching for gold.  After they agreed he turned it around and went to everyone talking shit about us.  Real classy.  I wasn't going to call you guys out on it because it was a one time thing.  But now that it has happened again I think everyone needs to know how scummy you guys are willing to act.

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 13, 2013, 12:17:36 am
INB4 TKoV is FCC, TKoV is an FCC vassal.  Also, this does make it twice.  Remember that time Rhalzo told everyone we were trying to bribe mercs off of MB's roster?  Yeah, the whole story is that Rhalzo approached a TKoV officer about switching for gold.  After they agreed he turned it around and went to everyone talking shit about us.  Real classy.  I wasn't going to call you guys out on it because it was a one time thing.  But now that it has happened again I think everyone needs to know how scummy you guys are willing to act.

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You must be talking about the time when Kesh did come in our TS and tell MB guys that if they didn't sign up against us that the super secret agreement he'd made with you all would be null. I remember that yes because I was there. As for Rhalzo buying troops that's the most hilarious thing I've read. Ask anyone who fights for us and they'll tell the most they've ever been paid is maybe 2k tops if even that! As for McDeath he isn't even in our start faction or our clan. Sure he may stack banners with us in battle because multis but that's it. Rhalzo doesn't care for him because he's "too big of a troll". So make some more sweeping allegations about how we're scumlords. You're all just mad about the trader we ambushed and defeated you in two weeks or so ago. FYI I'm on my way right now to throw my army at you because of these accusations. Its not much but I'll see you soon.

Love,
Bronto
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Creslin on December 13, 2013, 12:24:53 am
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Clearly didn't read anything that I typed.  Buying troops?  No, I said switching sides on a roster.  Kesh again?  Kesh is in FCC, I am in TKoV.  He uses your banner and I'm sure if I asked around I would find out that he spends a lot of time in your teamspeak.  I couldn't care less about a trader being attacked because, unlike a lot of NA apparently, I play strat for fun, not to fuck over other guys.  The only thing I'm mad about is people acting like children because no one wants to point it out or stop them

And FYI, if anyone in my clan or using my banner did that I would do anything possible to call them out on it because no one should act like that.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: MURDERTRON on December 13, 2013, 12:27:19 am
Yo FLGBT first account sharing, now this?  You've hit a new low.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Socks on December 13, 2013, 12:32:08 am
Gay way to take it though imo.. tells mercs of tkov that no battle no gear etc.. makes every one leave free way to get veluca with out a real fight gfs.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 13, 2013, 12:32:26 am
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Clearly didn't read anything that I typed.  Buying troops?  No, I said switching sides on a roster.  Kesh again?  Kesh is in FCC, I am in TKoV.  He uses your banner and I'm sure if I asked around I would find out that he spends a lot of time in your teamspeak.  I couldn't care less about a trader being attacked because, unlike a lot of NA apparently, I play strat for fun, not to fuck over other guys.  The only thing I'm mad about is people acting like children because no one wants to point it out or stop them

And FYI, if anyone in my clan or using my banner did that I would do anything possible to call them out on it because no one should act like that.

Call the police! That scumbag banner stacks with us and hangs out in our team speak HOW DARE HE! I'm just as mad about this as you are!

Murdertron. Good one. We aren't fighting this war so why would we care and Platypus you'll have to ask McDeath but as far as I know he never said the other team didn't have gear, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Artyem on December 13, 2013, 12:33:06 am
Yo FLGBT first account sharing, now this?  You've hit a new low.

I can't tell if you're trying to troll or if you're really that dense...
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: BaleOhay on December 13, 2013, 12:39:17 am
he banner stacks with you guys and is in your ts, does he also have access to your armory etc? hate to tell you but that is the definition of being in your clan.

Kesh coming in and talking about an agreement made is a whole hell of a lot different then saying you are in the other teams faction and lying to their mercs to have them drop or switch.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: betard_lulz on December 13, 2013, 12:40:11 am
We aren't fighting this war

FYI I'm on my way right now to throw my army at you because of these accusations. Its not much but I'll see you soon.
Love,
Bronto
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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 13, 2013, 12:44:23 am
he banner stacks with you guys and is in your ts, does he also have access to your armory etc? hate to tell you but that is the definition of being in your clan.

Beartard we aren't in the war but I am now! Because internet nerd shit m8.

Oh my god. So smart. So much win. So great. He has no tags and never applied to us other than to banner stack. So no he is not in our clan. How about world star banner stacking? Or anyone using the same banner? What about Canuck? All same clan. Has to be! Please share more superior knowledge of how the game works, we're a 4 man strat clan of shitlords ruining TKoVs immersion, or how you guys are never wrong and don't do anything you accuse everyone else of. Stay on topic please.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Rhalzo on December 13, 2013, 12:45:49 am
INB4 TKoV is FCC, TKoV is an FCC vassal.  Also, this does make it twice.  Remember that time Rhalzo told everyone we were trying to bribe mercs off of MB's roster?  Yeah, the whole story is that Rhalzo approached a TKoV officer about switching for gold.  After they agreed he turned it around and went to everyone talking shit about us.  Real classy.  I wasn't going to call you guys out on it because it was a one time thing.  But now that it has happened again I think everyone needs to know how scummy you guys are willing to act.

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Oh, you mean the time that I heard that TKoV was paying people gold to switch sides and I wanted to check if it was true or not? I remember talking to both Hobb and Tristran that night. Hobb tried to make a deal with me (like 30 minutes after I had sent the message in the first place and already had my question answered by Tristran), which was when I said I wasn't going to change sides and explained how I heard that they were paying people and I just wanted to find out if it was true.

I never actually made any deals.

And for this whole McDeath business - he did whatever he did on his own. I only saw that something happened when I got home from work and read the forums. So you'll have to bring it up with him since he's an adult and all.

Also:

he banner stacks with you guys and is in your ts, does he also have access to your armory etc? hate to tell you but that is the definition of being in your clan.

Is everyone that wears the FCC banner actually in the clan?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Creslin on December 13, 2013, 12:51:22 am
Oh, you mean the time that I heard that TKoV was paying people gold to switch sides and I wanted to check if it was true or not? I remember talking to both Hobb and Tristran that night. Hobb tried to make a deal with me (like 30 minutes after I had sent the message in the first place and already had my question answered by Tristran), which was when I said I wasn't going to change sides and explained how I heard that they were paying people and I just wanted to find out if it was true.

I never actually made any deals.


There is a world of difference between going to someone and offering them money to switch and that person coming to you to switch.  You told everyone it was the former.  And then everyone spammed chat in the battle that we were bribing people.  You can tell everyone what you want now but it doesn't change the way you acted before.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Horns_Archive on December 13, 2013, 12:57:12 am
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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Socks on December 13, 2013, 01:01:45 am
CC Is invading all of WFA and DL/OOtWS

Gobblins invade Chaos and are heading towards complete domination

LCO invades TKoV with MB Veluca is taken what is left for TKoV?

FCC sits and watches there friends of TKoV get dominated on the map will they act?

TKoV is calling all allies to help them will there allies stand and watch? or will they act? and declare war on LCO and MB

SKoT camps there castle as Gobblins have SKoT on the there tippy toez.

Astralis are camping afk my old friends

Acre needs to attack some thing

Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Hobb on December 13, 2013, 01:05:01 am
Oh, you mean the time that I heard that TKoV was paying people gold to switch sides and I wanted to check if it was true or not? I remember talking to both Hobb and Tristran that night. Hobb tried to make a deal with me (like 30 minutes after I had sent the message in the first place and already had my question answered by Tristran), which was when I said I wasn't going to change sides and explained how I heard that they were paying people and I just wanted to find out if it was true.

I never actually made any deals.

And for this whole McDeath business - he did whatever he did on his own. I only saw that something happened when I got home from work and read the forums. So you'll have to bring it up with him since he's an adult and all.

Dude, I offered Jack of Frisia 25k like 15hours before the battle to fight for us, because like he said he is a 50/50 merc in this war. I don't think you can refute the fact that we have problems getting full rosters at 6am, we've been flag capped each time within the first 20 minutes. I've never talked to you before, and you came to me offering to switch to our side for gold. I said okay, i mean honestly what is 25k crpg? Ironically, Mcdeath messaged me right after you trying to get me to offer him gold so you guys could go troll us by screwing up our roster. We had 11 tkov in that battle, and were still outnumbered by 15.

Honestly, it was our dumb fault for having that shitty nightime to begin with so the veluca battles is watev, but seeing is how I've never talked to any FIDLBG buys before, or seen them around our ts before, I don't think you guys can really accuse us of things. And if you are going to start bringing accusations about us, you might want to talk to your buddy 9finger and see if he's cool with it.

Strat is dead, I don't think anyone refutes that. So dicking around with our roster isn't going to piss us off, but just ruin xp for the people who actually want it anymore.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Creslin on December 13, 2013, 01:07:15 am
Strat is dead, I don't think anyone refutes that. So dicking around with our roster isn't going to piss us off, but just ruin xp for the people who actually want it anymore.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: mcdeath on December 13, 2013, 01:12:09 am
but seeing is how I've never talked to any FIDLBG buys before, or seen them around our ts before, I don't think you guys can really accuse us of things.

If I am in FIDLGB like you guys are saying then you have talked to me before, when you had vent I played with you guys all the time. I also came into your ts a couple of times.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Artyem on December 13, 2013, 01:14:32 am
Blaming all of FIDLGB for McDeath's actions is a rather silly thing to do, it'd be like if Anders did something horrendously stupid and I blamed all of WFA for it.  Blaming Occitan for McDeath's actions is just blatant stupidity, it'd be like Kesh blaming Occitan for something Daruvian did.

Believe it or not, people are capable of doing stupid things independently.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Rhalzo on December 13, 2013, 01:15:05 am
Dude, I offered Jack of Frisia 25k like 15hours before the battle to fight for us, because like he said he is a 50/50 merc in this war. I don't think you can refute the fact that we have problems getting full rosters at 6am, we've been flag capped each time within the first 20 minutes. I've never talked to you before, and you came to me offering to switch to our side for gold. I said okay, i mean honestly what is 25k crpg? Ironically, Mcdeath messaged me right after you trying to get me to offer him gold so you guys could go troll us by screwing up our roster. We had 11 tkov in that battle, and were still outnumbered by 15.

Honestly, it was our dumb fault for having that shitty nightime to begin with so the veluca battles is watev, but seeing is how I've never talked to any FIDLBG buys before, or seen them around our ts before, I don't think you guys can really accuse us of things. And if you are going to start bringing accusations about us, you might want to talk to your buddy 9finger and see if he's cool with it.

Strat is dead, I don't think anyone refutes that. So dicking around with our roster isn't going to piss us off, but just ruin xp for the people who actually want it anymore.

Wait, are we talking about the early morning fight right now or the MB fight a few weeks ago? If we're talking about the former, I don't really have anything to say on it because I wasn't involved with it what so ever. If we're talking about the latter, that's what I was talking about. I wasn't trying to troll your roster as I wasn't going to change sides in the first place.

Also, I've talked to 9finger only a handful of times so I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Socks on December 13, 2013, 01:19:39 am
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Yeah, shit like this kills the community faster than anything else.  Mcdeath_ATS went on tkov ts before they showed up and told all the eu mercs he was with tkov and that there wasn't a real battle taking place, no gear, etc. and that they should sign up for the other side (also sent pms regarding the same).  Was near equal parity in mercs before that because tkov had stayed up late hiring people.  Ended up being 46 v 24 showing up instead of 39 v 31, so shit xp for any of us guys waking up at that hour and a cheap community destroying win for occitan thanks to mcdeath's help.

Mcdeath is now blacklisted from all FCC battles - both of his strategus multiaccounts are banned from our trading area as well:
McDeath_ATS with the Gobblin faction and
MC_of_Frisia in the Central Confederacy faction


Some great quotes from the EU guys that got tricked by him simply because they didnt know he wasnt a tkov member:

"What a douchebaggy little kid"
"Assholes like that make me not want to play any na battles"
"You mean thats not a girl?  Didn't realize he was a prepubescent boy"


What a weak way to win a war - almost no xp and only memory of it was that it was won by a douchebag move lying to a bunch of people not by any real skill or tactics.

P.S.  Stay out of our ts - Murder was the only one who didn't find you to be an annoying 12 year old
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: mcdeath on December 13, 2013, 01:21:38 am


I mean you can't have this post without mine following. They go together because Kesh's was full of lies.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: betard_lulz on December 13, 2013, 01:23:05 am
I mean you can't have this post without mine following. They go together because Kesh's was full of lies.

You have shown your true colors son. Scum of the earth.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Hobb on December 13, 2013, 01:23:46 am
Wait, are we talking about the early morning fight right now or the MB fight a few weeks ago? If we're talking about the former, I don't really have anything to say on it because I wasn't involved with it what so ever. If we're talking about the latter, that's what I was talking about. I wasn't trying to troll your roster as I wasn't going to change sides in the first place.

Also, I've talked to 9finger only a handful of times so I'm not sure what you mean by this?

you're not the rhalzo from steam who offered me to switch sides for 25k? also mcdeath was, at least for that mb battle at 6am, in your strat faction.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Oreo on December 13, 2013, 01:29:10 am
waaaaah  :cry:
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Rhalzo on December 13, 2013, 01:31:42 am
you're not the rhalzo from steam who offered me to switch sides for 25k? also mcdeath was, at least for that mb battle at 6am, in your strat faction.

I am indeed the Rhalzo from Steam who offered to switch sides but never actually planned on switching sides. Rhalzo from Steam was trying to be a detective to find out if what he was hearing was true. It turned out to be true. The end.

McDeath isn't in the FIDLGB Strategus faction by the way. He is a member of the GOBBLIN KING. Both factions just happen to share the same color on the map.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 13, 2013, 01:49:00 am
McDeath isn't in the FIDLGB Strategus faction by the way. He is a member of the GOBBLIN KING. Both factions just happen to share the same color on the map.

This IS true.
Blaming all of FIDLGB for McDeath's actions is a rather silly thing to do, it'd be like if Anders did something horrendously stupid and I blamed all of WFA for it. Blaming Occitan for McDeath's actions is just blatant stupidity, it'd be like Kesh blaming Occitan for something Daruvian did.

Believe it or not, people are capable of doing stupid things independently.

Aw why'd you go and pick ME?! Actually, in this upcoming battle, Finnian and I did the gear etc. Lets see how you like it? I'm sure we did a decent job.

If only the Battle WAS at 11 pm instead of Horrendously hetero time of 6 AM. Oh well, it's only LCO, the only other faction to get the "dirty" card as badly as FCC. Nothing new here. :rolleyes: :twisted:

Oh yes, need to make an edit here.
McDeath has had that account(McDeath) Permaed for getting paid to TK Canary. So He's not in ANY strat faction now, so that he can't be accused of "Multi Accounting."  on his new CD key.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Inglorious on December 13, 2013, 02:04:42 am
Argh... Curse this job of mine... Wasn't available to participate in the battle for Nova Veluca this morning...


Splash one Velucan Capital City

P.S.

How did this turn into yet another drama thread so fast since last I read it...
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Scervo on December 13, 2013, 02:09:33 am
I like how they attack tkovs capital at 4 am during finals week only two days after arrowaine posted this (in the other topic):

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how many time i brag about having outside life and shit and everyone was laugthing and being rude toward us.We are sorry! but nothing we can really do about it we at least will try to keep our battle time at civil time.

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on December 13, 2013, 02:10:38 am
Blaming all of FIDLGB for McDeath's actions is a rather silly thing to do, it'd be like if Anders did something horrendously stupid and I blamed all of WFA for it.  Blaming Occitan for McDeath's actions is just blatant stupidity, it'd be like Kesh blaming Occitan for something Daruvian did.

Believe it or not, people are capable of doing stupid things independently.

If that be the case then Occitan should probably recognize that one of their own people (Mercs) was involved in the theft of Veluca and return the city.  I think it's only fair that the city be vacated and an appropriate battle scheduled without intrigue. 

But Occitan won't do that will they?  Because for all their lies about McDeath acting independently the truth is they benefited from it.  They are willing recipients of Veluca the way someone would willingly buy a stolen T.V. at Christmas time. 

If Occitan wants to prove they are an honorable faction and worth assisting in future engagements then they should return Veluca and fight on an even playing field.  Otherwise....  why would anyone merc for them from this point forward?  Clearly they don't MIND being the benefactors of such a dirty practice.  So I don't mind signing up for Tkov from this point forward. 
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Duster on December 13, 2013, 02:14:42 am
Lco can do the right thing here yet. I will wait to see what happens. Otherwise I know how I will vote in the war council

Seems a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Inglorious on December 13, 2013, 02:21:50 am
I'm lost, and mind you, I'm busy alot lately with work etc. I haven't done much strat or paid attention much...

But, Does the fief keep the NTS of the previous owner before transfer, or the new owner?

Because after the first attack the other night,I remember arrowaine yelling:

"Goddamn FCC vassal pouties man. We are being fucked by their night time settings. They changed owners again, christ de la tabarnak [etc curses]."

Now, I might be wrong, but did or did not the owner of the fief change over multiple times in the past day or two?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 13, 2013, 02:22:31 am
Seems a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

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Actually that was a different sort of thing.

Badplayer, and another SS guy forced that battle to be a loss. He then Joined FCC right after, while still under NAP between LCO/FCC.

Which, Hospitaller did much the same right when the NAP with FCC was signed. They Joined LCO faction so that FCC wouldn't attack them, as LCO was the signer, not Hosp. So If anything LCO has 2 notchs in this catagory(breaking NAP to attack Samarra) and Taking in another faction to make sure they don't get attacked.

Yup, sounds about right that LCO would benefit and gain from this.

Now, lets talk about the Original VE/LCO war. I'm sure we can have LOTS of fun there when, oh I don't know, VE gave BACK all gear from one failed assault(cause of Website bugs). They didn't give the Castle back because of Human Error(the one Arowaine retreated from like 10 minutes in). They did give gear and most troops back though.
I'm lost, and mind you, I'm busy alot lately with work etc. I haven't done much strat or paid attention much...

But, Does the fief keep the NTS of the previous owner before transfer, or the new owner?

Because after the first attack the other night,I remember arrowaine yelling:

"Goddamn FCC pouties man. We are being fucked by their night time settings. They changed owners again, christ de la tabarnak [etc curses]."

Now, I might be wrong, but did or did not the owner of the fief change over multiple times in the past day or two?


From my understanding of it during Battle. The Owner(Rob) wasn't being Cooperative, so they were trying to transfer it to an active person who could manage it. Unfortunately, the interim guy had crap nighttime settings(10-6). So, the owner who was supposed to get it, got fucked by the interim owner and TKOV losses.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Inglorious on December 13, 2013, 02:27:13 am
Thank you for clearing that up
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 13, 2013, 02:29:09 am
Thank you for clearing that up

Oh also, the name of the owner changes on the battle page with the owner, btw. Sorry forgot to say that.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Creslin on December 13, 2013, 02:33:04 am

Now, lets talk about the Original VE/LCO war. I'm sure we can have LOTS of fun there when, oh I don't know, VE gave BACK all gear from one failed assault(cause of Website bugs). They didn't give the Castle back because of Human Error(the one Arowaine retreated from like 10 minutes in). They did give gear and most troops back though.


Actually, we gave back Shariz without a fuss with all of the gear and troops in it IIRC.  We didn't even make a fuss about all of the troops and gear lost to buggy battles, the ones where we couldn't spawn with armor or siege gear or the ones where catapults simply didn't spawn in when built.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 13, 2013, 02:54:05 am
Actually, we gave back Shariz without a fuss with all of the gear and troops in it IIRC.  We didn't even make a fuss about all of the troops and gear lost to buggy battles, the ones where we couldn't spawn with armor or siege gear or the ones where catapults simply didn't spawn in when built.

You didn't give the castle back. I remember LCO actually attacking it to try and get it and you guys were like: Yes now WE get to defend this castle.

Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: BaleOhay on December 13, 2013, 03:05:07 am
Seems a bit hypocritical, don't you think?

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what anders said. We had nothing to do with that castle and matey made the call at a very odd time in the day when no one else was on to accept him into the faction. I believe he was kicked shortly after.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Haramir on December 13, 2013, 03:23:19 am
As an active member of LCO, I'll try to explain what happen during the first war.

First, there was a bugged battle on Shariz where LCO and VE( not sure about there side since i wasnt there) had almost no gear to spawn with.  Shinock made an agreement with VE to let them win and gave us the city back after, which they did, and it is all in there honor.
During an attack on Caraf Castle, Arowaine tried to kick one of our own player for leaching, which result ( I dont know how) in a press the retreat button which made us lose the castle.
VE laugh at us and kept the castle.


Where does that left us now, VE gave us back our city for a Strategus bug, but not for a mistake made from bad coding and mechanic.
I think the bad night time setting is closer to what happen to Caraf Castle, and i dont think 4-5 merc on your side would have made a lot of difference in this morning battle.
I haven't talk to Arowaine today so i dont know where he stands, but i think we should come to an agreement to settle this mess so we could still have many fight during the christmas vacation.

P.S  We still hate you for raping our women and killing us by the thousand half a year ago  :twisted:

Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Jack1 on December 13, 2013, 03:29:44 am
NOTE: I was brought up in that I was asked to switch sides by hobb once, I don't switch sides once I applied and am accepted, ever, except for once I unapplied for chaos and guarded the gobblin spawn while doing my homework. that's my one exception.

I honestly wish that more mercs would stay on a side that they are accepted to, as a commander it sucks thinking you have a full quality roster about four hours until the battle just to find out that 10 unapplied when you look at the roster with 30 more minutes to go.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 13, 2013, 03:58:51 am
LOOK.  You guys are running rampant all over my thread.  I have a few things to say:
1: "Buying Mercs?" Whatever, get that bullshit out of this thread. As if one person ever won or lost a 51v51 person battle except for a lucky ninja cap.  No 80-20 KD guy ever actually won a battle for his team, he just fought well WITH his team and they won.

2:  This morning's battle time is TKOV'S FAULT.  Occitan attacked, and the fief owner had a shitty nighttime setting.  (My name was on it, because I was the owner by battle time, but it wasn't me.  My nighttime starts at 4 AM est.) All of this had to do with, as I've said, disorganization due to this being finals week in every NA college ever.

3: We did give LCO a fief back due to a gear bug, and not the 100 unique weapons per army bug.  That was a glitch, and not some kind of mismanagement, so I completely understand if Occitan doesn't feel like returning the favor.  That being said, fuck yeah we'd take it back and run 10+ good prime time battles, this nighttime fiasco was a shame really.

Quick sperging in my thread, children, or Uncle Goat might get  :cry:
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: arowaine on December 13, 2013, 05:18:04 am
you're not the rhalzo from steam who offered me to switch sides for 25k? also mcdeath was, at least for that mb battle at 6am, in your strat faction.

well if you faction really do care why there is 3 fief with points not set?, why there is no diplomat in my ts channel, where veluca has 1400 point not set into the city, why did you change 3 time the owner fief of the city before we attack it again ?. Why dont you just accept the terms of peace ? Why fcc is getting involve into this and they are in theory neutral!

Pls explain my little french mind Why and why you guys whine on the forum like fucking baby WHEN WE DO STUFF FAIR AND SQUARE!

I personally Said to everyone in my ts After kesh came and explain me what was happening with whatever mcdeath did, wish im really not sure if he really did but I TOLD EVERYONE IN MY TS SERVER, WHOEVER WAS IN TKOV before pls go back on their side thanks! kesh was there he can confirm what im saying!

LOOK.  You guys are running rampant all over my thread.  I have a few things to say:
1: "Buying Mercs?" Whatever, get that bullshit out of this thread. As if one person ever made or lost a 51v51 person battle except for a lucky ninja cap.  No 80-20 KD guy actually won a battle for his team, he just fought well WITH his team and they won.

2:  This morning's battle time is TKOV'S FAULT.  Occitan attacked, and the fief owner had a shitty nighttime setting.  (My name was on it, because I was the owner by battle time, but it wasn't me.  My nighttime starts at 4 AM est.) All of this had to do with, as I've said, disorganization due to this being finals week in every NA college ever.

3: We did give LCO a fief back due to a gear bug, and not the 100 unique weapons per army bug.  That was a glitch, and not some kind of mismanagement, so I completely understand if Occitan doesn't feel like returning the favor.  That being said, fuck yeah we'd take it back and run 10+ good prime time battles, this nighttime fiasco was a shame really.

Quick sperging in my thread, children, or Uncle Goat might get  :cry:

this is the most amazing post adoptagoat you have occitan 100% respect and you are welcome to come and talk to me!
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Jona on December 13, 2013, 05:42:50 am
Can we  have back to back to back to back sieges against Veluca whilst you guys try to reclaim your home? Pwetty pwease? Got those 30k men just sitting in Grunwalder...   :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: HardRice on December 13, 2013, 05:47:27 am
I'm bored.
Have a poem.

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 13, 2013, 06:50:02 am
why there is no diplomat in my ts channel, why did you change 3 time the owner fief of the city before we attack it again ?. Why dont you just accept the terms of peace ?

For all your praise at the end, this is kind of a kick in the ass.  I did speak with you after the first attack.  'Why don't we accept your terms'  ?  I received two proposals from you: "End TKoV" (from mb) and "Give us Veluca" from you.  It is hard to read you write "Just accept the terms of peace" as being legitimate after that discussion.

As for your second question, it was so an owner could be online when I got there to take it from him.

Edit: You seemed pretty straight up about how we were going to fight, no matter what.  Now you're asking why we didn't accept peace terms?  We still don't accept those terms.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: MURDERTRON on December 13, 2013, 08:07:17 am
I still need 7 million EXP, so no peace until after that.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: mcdeath on December 13, 2013, 08:58:01 am
I still need 7 million EXP, so no peace until after that.
Do more of your EXP battles you nerd
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: UnholyRolyPoly on December 13, 2013, 03:38:14 pm
I'm bored.
Have a poem.

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lol

Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 13, 2013, 05:29:25 pm
Give them the town back so we can defend it properly.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 13, 2013, 06:38:51 pm
Give them the town back so we can defend it properly.

Pretty sure the answer was No since Adoptagoat admitted it was their fault for the shit battle time. Also, 4 mercs isn't going to make or break a battle. If that was the case then I demand Nova Taberhl be given to us when FCC stole MB from our roster. I'm pretty sure we could've won that first battle if we had them on our side. This will just even things up all around. Who's with me?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Pappy on December 13, 2013, 06:41:41 pm
Pretty sure the answer was No since Adoptagoat admitted it was their fault for the shit battle time. Also, 4 mercs isn't going to make or break a battle. If that was the case then I demand Nova Taberhl be given to us when FCC stole MB from our roster. I'm pretty sure we could've won that first battle if we had them on our side. This will just even things up all around. Who's with me?

What about the time Arrowaine retreated accidently, was his castle restored? What goes around comes around, you made your bed now fuck the fat bitch you brought home from the bar in it
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Creslin on December 13, 2013, 07:50:53 pm
What about the time Arrowaine retreated accidently, was his castle restored? What goes around comes around, you made your bed now fuck the fat bitch you brought home from the bar in it

Yes, lets just forget the time that we gave them a city back because that makes your argument sound silly.

Pretty sure the answer was No since Adoptagoat admitted it was their fault for the shit battle time. Also, 4 mercs isn't going to make or break a battle. If that was the case then I demand Nova Taberhl be given to us when FCC stole MB from our roster. I'm pretty sure we could've won that first battle if we had them on our side. This will just even things up all around. Who's with me?

Try 15 mercs, and that's just the ones who didn't retract then didn't show up because your buddy told them the battle wasn't happening.  Look, I understand that its embarrassing to be caught being shitstains but lets be honest about things at least.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 13, 2013, 08:00:42 pm
Try 15 mercs, and that's just the ones who didn't retract then didn't show up because your buddy told them the battle wasn't happening.  Look, I understand that its embarrassing to be caught being shitstains but lets be honest about things at least.

sigh. For the one hundred and fifteenth time, McDeath is not in our clan, nor did I, in a supervillain like manor, plan ahead to sabotage a bunch of fucktards like you. So GF. Get over it. I had no beef with TKoV until you opened your stupid fucking mouth and brought us into it by calling us "liars to the community". We have never "lied" to the community, in fact, we host a FREE TS server for the community so you can go fuck yourself and continue being an idiot sheep led around by the lies of others.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Pappy on December 13, 2013, 08:15:24 pm
Yes, lets just forget the time that we gave them a city back because that makes your argument sound silly.

Try 15 mercs, and that's just the ones who didn't retract then didn't show up because your buddy told them the battle wasn't happening.  Look, I understand that its embarrassing to be caught being shitstains but lets be honest about things at least.

Check your facts, because that castle was never given back to Arrowaine, Mcdeath is not a bowler just fights under our colors, also nobody asked him to do what he did and implying some astronomical number of 15 confirmed, but potentially greater number like double that of desertions is laughable. It was a early morning battle of your own making, if people loved you like they love Arrowaine they wouldve woken up and fought for you and you would not have been broken by losing mercs who only fought for xp. Also mercs are free agents, and throughout history known to make or break battles with their wavering loyalties and double crossings. Just chalk it up as some historical accuracy to the time period.. it is a RPG afterall

edit:
Castle, not city. You confused me saying city, Im talking of the castle he retreated from accidently not the gear bugged city which you were also bugged attacking so made a mutual agreement on.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Philosiraptor on December 13, 2013, 09:23:26 pm
TkoV attacked me when i had a 5000 man naked army and let me win so i could keep my troops, i gave them back their gear and shit and they kept my looms that i gave them as collateral. But all in all they seem like a pretty fair bunch of guys that should unban me from their teamspeak.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: mcdeath on December 13, 2013, 11:00:59 pm
Try 15 mercs, and that's just the ones who didn't retract then didn't show up because your buddy told them the battle wasn't happening.  Look, I understand that its embarrassing to be caught being shitstains but lets be honest about things at least.

Listen, you can say anything about what happened, shit talk my name all you want but you need to at least have your facts straight. I am NOT in FIDLGB and I did not get 15 mercs to retract from the battle. You are taking Kesh's word on it and Kesh wasn't even in the teamspeak when I did in fact go in there. When I was in your teamspeak there were only 6 people total, including your other channels. So where you get the 15 mercs from I have no clue. I took 3 away at max 4.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: BaleOhay on December 13, 2013, 11:15:49 pm
so you are saying you went into their TS. Did you pretend to be in tkov? If so you graduate to dickbag. Grats!

Now you are also assuming something vital. That once you convinced some people in the channel.... that they in turn never spoke to anyone else. So thinking you at most got the people in the channel is naive.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Hobb on December 14, 2013, 12:13:14 am
edit:
Castle, not city. You confused me saying city, Im talking of the castle he retreated from accidently not the gear bugged city which you were also bugged attacking so made a mutual agreement on.

First, if LCO doesn't want to give the town and or troops gear back then that is their decision, and I don't think anyone would blame them either way. At 6 am with 0 tkov on, we prob woulda got capped anyway. History proves that.

However, people like creslin or whoever pappy is, that weren't in the know for our first war, really shouldn't comment on it, or maybe should post more, since we all love drama threads.

My point is, despite popular belief, tkov was not the only faction in VE during that war, and we never owned caraf castle. Now, in that case if we were the victor of LCO's blunder than we would have made a similar call, but that was 9fingers win and decision since mb did the attacks. That being said, that wave was the 4-5th on said castle, and the only thing at stake was population (2000 tickets) we decided to keep the castle but let everyone leave/give back capped troops and gear. Our reasoning, and if i wasnt typing from phone could show, was VE had already lost upwards of 5k from bugged attacks and we were tired of the same venue.

So, that sets the stage for shariz. keep in mind 2 things. 1) these were tkov battles 2) catapults and siege towers DID NOT WORK. LCO couldnt spawn with gear, they gave us the town. Even if they could have spawned with their gear, the amount we capped wouldnt have been enough for even 1k tickets and they would got capped regardless. We gave back the town/gear and troops weeks later after one of the Nord devs told us the siege bug was fixed. Of course the bug wasnt actually fixed for another month at least.

Yes, we did keep one castle and give back one town, but the circumstances were hardly the same. My arguement for giving back our town of Veluca would be so we could have a few more battles in the town. We don't give a shit about this buggy gimp strat, but getting to fight in your namesake is pretty cool, and better than cramped castles.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Lt_Anders on December 14, 2013, 12:16:36 am
Check your facts, because that castle was never given back to Arrowaine, Mcdeath is not a bowler just fights under our colors, also nobody asked him to do what he did and implying some astronomical number of 15 confirmed, but potentially greater number like double that of desertions is laughable. It was a early morning battle of your own making, if people loved you like they love Arrowaine they wouldve woken up and fought for you and you would not have been broken by losing mercs who only fought for xp. Also mercs are free agents, and throughout history known to make or break battles with their wavering loyalties and double crossings. Just chalk it up as some historical accuracy to the time period.. it is a RPG afterall

edit:
Castle, not city. You confused me saying city, Im talking of the castle he retreated from accidently not the gear bugged city which you were also bugged attacking so made a mutual agreement on.

Concering the "Castle" you keep spounting wasn't given back. Yes, you are correct, but TKOV did give LCO all the troops/gear IN the fief back to them. They also gave back Shariz when they capped it off of a BS manuever (similar to this) because, VE are stand up people, while LCO isn't (or hasn't we should say) known for it. But, they've been on the receiving end mostly so...

Also, the "gear bug" happened NOT on the city but on a DIFFERENT castle.


Hobb got it already.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: mcdeath on December 14, 2013, 12:34:31 am
so you are saying you went into their TS. Did you pretend to be in tkov? If so you graduate to dickbag. Grats!

Now you are also assuming something vital. That once you convinced some people in the channel.... that they in turn never spoke to anyone else. So thinking you at most got the people in the channel is naive.
Why would I want to pretend to be in tkov? No I did not pretend to be in tkov that would be lower than anything that has been done before.

Clanmates of the three people I poked in ts were still on the other side after the fact. I never openly said switch sides to everyone. If that did in fact cause a fallout it isn't really my fault that the rest followed suit after the fact. Things happen but you can't blame the entire problem on people who weren't even involved
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 14, 2013, 01:08:15 am
Give them the town back so we can defend it properly.

Quote from: All of the nerds
Gay stuff

Fuck all of you. I don't care about who messed up or what's morally right in this bullshit nerd-shit Strat situation you shitting shit-shits. I want to camp on that shitting town's walls and farm XP with TKoV in a glorious internet battle for their pretend capital city. This is anti-climax.

It's like sneezing just before you cum, so that you get distracted and forget that you're cumming.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 14, 2013, 04:02:49 am
so you are saying you went into their TS. Did you pretend to be in tkov? If so you graduate to dickbag. Grats!

Now you are also assuming something vital. That once you convinced some people in the channel.... that they in turn never spoke to anyone else. So thinking you at most got the people in the channel is naive.

Oh Bale, you keep trying to fight the good fight but you don't accept and or realize that Kesh did come in to our TS and pretend to be Uumdi of Chaos. Which was incredibly stupid on his part because the majority of us love and know Uumdi. So what now. McDeath is a shitlord and so is Kesh. What exactly is the point? These are things we all know.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Artyem on December 14, 2013, 04:08:24 am
Every faction has somebody who has done something so absolutely fucktarded that it brought internet shame on to them.  It's all a matter of admitting to it and realizing that at least one person affiliated with your clan is a moron.  I don't know why FCC has such a hard time admitting that they too make errors, it's almost like everything is okay if they do it but horribly wrong when someone else does it.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Philosiraptor on December 14, 2013, 04:44:51 am
Arty, that is the mindset of all of the crpg community.

Hey tkov, am i ever gonna get my looms back.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: mcdeath on December 14, 2013, 04:49:31 am
Every faction has somebody who has done something so absolutely fucktarded that it brought internet shame on to them.  It's all a matter of admitting to it and realizing that at least one person affiliated with your clan is a moron.  I don't know why FCC has such a hard time admitting that they too make errors, it's almost like everything is okay if they do it but horribly wrong when someone else does it.
I owned up to what I did right away. I knew I had to otherwise Kesh would just have a field day of making up things that I did not do.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Matey on December 14, 2013, 04:55:24 am
Every faction has somebody who has done something so absolutely fucktarded that it brought internet shame on to them.  It's all a matter of admitting to it and realizing that at least one person affiliated with your clan is a moron.  I don't know why FCC has such a hard time admitting that they too make errors, it's almost like everything is okay if they do it but horribly wrong when someone else does it.

but at least half the shit we get accused of is stuff that has been done to us but that we havent ever done. LL used to say "everything is ok when fighting FCC!" and so they did all sorts of awful things that we have never done to others... yet they appear to be perfectly cool dudes to everyone else they deal with. Plus the vast majority of our sketchy shit is all Kesh.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Philosiraptor on December 14, 2013, 05:21:23 am
i want my loomed item to be delivered to anyone in the dracul clan. That is fair and will appease me seeing as i am perma-banned but still!
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Legs on December 14, 2013, 05:34:18 am
Am I the only person that actually thinks all of this conniving trickery is actually kind of cool? IMO strategus is only interesting because it's player driven and this is all a part of that. To me grudges, bribes, spies, disguises, hearsay, surprise attacks, etc, just make the game deeper and more dynamic.

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Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Krosis on December 14, 2013, 12:02:15 pm
Will someone give Philosiraptor his loom back?! JESUS what kind of heartless assholes are you?

Do you know how long it takes to get those damn things?!  :evil:
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Kartoffel_Salat on December 14, 2013, 07:23:34 pm
Jesus.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 15, 2013, 03:35:24 am
So Philo, I have nothing to do with you not getting your looms back, BUT.  Trist will be back soon and will sort it out.  It seems clear that we haven't given your loom back because you're permabanned.  I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be putting up a fuss for e-items you can't use.  Why are you permabanned, anyway?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 15, 2013, 03:42:46 am
I'll go ahead and tell you right now that we won't be giving your looms to someone else.  Get your shit straightened out and we'll talk.  This shit has nothing to do with my thread, and we owe nothing to a player who is forbidden from participating in crpg.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 15, 2013, 04:01:23 am
forbidden

Banished. Forever to suffer a life of sanity and heterosexual tortures.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Bronto on December 15, 2013, 04:05:20 am
Plus the vast majority of our sketchy shit is all Kesh.

So ban Kesh? Can't be done smoothrich did and after countless OMG I can't be banned threads he was unbanned. You can't ban someone because they are a total fucking shit lord and everyone knows it (Kesh). But you can kick them out of your clan. Until then you are the people that enjoy Kesh's company and defend him on the forums aka shitbags.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Matey on December 15, 2013, 04:18:56 am
So ban Kesh? Can't be done smoothrich did and after countless OMG I can't be banned threads he was unbanned. You can't ban someone because they are a total fucking shit lord and everyone knows it (Kesh). But you can kick them out of your clan. Until then you are the people that enjoy Kesh's company and defend him on the forums aka shitbags.

You are a giant ass on the forums, that doesn't make rhalzo and others who like you shitbags does it?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Chosen1 on December 15, 2013, 05:31:20 am
You are a giant ass on the forums, that doesn't make rhalzo and others who like you shitbags does it?

Bronto's shittiness doesn't even compare to Kesh's shittiness.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Krosis on December 15, 2013, 06:42:50 am
I'll go ahead and tell you right now that we won't be giving your looms to someone else.  Get your shit straightened out and we'll talk.  This shit has nothing to do with my thread, and we owe nothing to a player who is forbidden from participating in crpg.

It's his loom, like I was joking on the previous post.. but if you owe him a loom point and he wishes for you to give it to someone else since he can't use it.. you sir are a douchebag if you don't fulfill his wishes and keep it.









PS FUCK YO THREAD.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Scervo on December 16, 2013, 01:07:51 am
if you owe him a loom point and he wishes for you to give it to someone else since he can't use it.. you sir are a douchebag if you don't fulfill his wishes and keep it.

He meant they aren't going to sell it/spend it/give it away.. Kinda the opposite of refusing to give it back
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Artyem on December 16, 2013, 02:00:46 am
He meant they aren't going to sell it/spend it/give it away.. Kinda the opposite of refusing to give it back

What I got from it was "we won't give it to the other people you're telling us to give it to because you're banned", and he gave it to them ages ago and is more upset that they wouldn't even acknowledge it until now.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: Adoptagoat on December 16, 2013, 05:37:27 am
I'm only finding out about it now.  I'm taking his word for it while trist is away.  I assure you that once he starts playing crpg again that we will reimburse him if that is the case.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: MURDERTRON on December 16, 2013, 07:15:06 am
Bronto's shittiness doesn't even compare to Kesh's shittiness.

Both were accused of multi accounting and banned, then later unbanned.  These two should be best friends.
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on December 16, 2013, 05:44:10 pm
Jesus.

Most people call me Joe. 
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: betard_lulz on December 16, 2013, 07:05:32 pm
How goes it Joe?
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on December 17, 2013, 05:35:19 am
Doing fine
Title: Re: Veluca Stands.
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on December 17, 2013, 05:42:57 am