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Title: 2hand cavalry
Post by: HardRice on November 28, 2013, 08:15:03 pm
Are there any viable builds for 2hcav/2hinfantry?

Also, what's the best weapon(aside from morningstar, I refuse to use it) to use?
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Joseph Porta on November 28, 2013, 08:43:04 pm
it's awesome I played this for a while on an alt, you are like rich, right? if you got loomed shit with this build your a raging machine, if you are higher level you could up some shield skill if you'd like, maybe more IF if you desire so, or you can go for 27 str though I don't know if the calc is still up to date here are some things I personally dig

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DREAM BUILD HOW MORE KNIGHTLY CAN YOU GETJESUS
35 is just impossible to reach
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I think 2h with shield also uses 2h wpf? i'm not sure though, been a long time. but morningstar and longsword on HB together is murder the longsword's reach is surprising sometimes
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Erzengel on November 28, 2013, 08:55:36 pm
Why 28 strength on your lvl 35 build? Better transform that one point into more IF and always max out WM.

I am also making a 2h cav alt atm.

Going for 21/15 at lvl 30:

7 IF
7 PS
5 ATH
5 Riding
5 WM

Should be pretty nice.

Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: MURDERTRON on November 28, 2013, 09:15:42 pm
21/21.  You missed the days of me wrecking shit in field battles, 187.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: HardRice on November 28, 2013, 09:24:20 pm
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24/15 looks like a fucking wrecking ball, i'll have to test it.

Also, 2h with shield uses 1h wpf

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At level 30? sounds like an odd build.

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So many builds to try now, thanks guys :)

(But please feel free to pop in and give some tips/advice, i've never tried 2h cav before.)
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Ronin on November 29, 2013, 02:01:40 am
Weapon suggestions:
-shortened military scythe
-Bardiche
-Shortened Voulge
-Persian Battle Axe
-Persian War Axe (press x for pierce damage)
-War Axe
-Mace
-Great Axe
-Katana

and (I saved this one last)
-Estoc!

for the luls
-Langes Messer
-Fighting Axe
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Chosen1 on November 29, 2013, 03:51:19 am
If you are 2h cav and you aren't using a morningstar ur doing it wrong. Longsword is the second best, I guess.

But yeh, 24/15 is the gayest most op best 2h cav build imo.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Jarold on November 29, 2013, 05:06:21 am
I use a MW Heavy Bastard Sword, Destrier, medium-heavy armor, and a brown lion heater shield for when there are ranged shooting at me.

Level 30 -- 66 hp

Strength:        21
Agility:         15

Skill to attr:    2

Power Strike:     7
Ironflesh:        5
Athletics:        5
Riding:           5
Weapon Master:    4
Shield:           3

Two Handed:       125

It's awesome on foot and even better on horseback. Just remember if you use your shield with your HBS on horseback you will do less damage with your sword. Sheath the shield if you want to do immense damage, but it still can deal quite a bit with the shield. Definitely enough to kill archers with if you time it right.

You can't really out reach anyone if you're going head on so you need to be sneaky or get guys who are occupied. If someone knows you're coming it's best to pull out, but if you must charge slow down a bit to throw their timing off then speed up and wack em.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Tovi on November 29, 2013, 05:57:15 am
Once,I was 2H/archer cav (with a katana). Pretty fun too.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Mr.K. on November 29, 2013, 02:32:50 pm
Quote from: Jarold on November 29, 2013, 05:06:21 am
Sheath the shield if you want to do immense damage, but it still can deal quite a bit with the shield. Definitely enough to kill archers with if you time it right.

"Immense damage" with HBS is less than 30c with or without a shield. With a shield it uses 1H wpf which you don't have and that's why you deal less damage in that mode. People overestimate the power of 2H cav because it looks far stronger than it is. The fact is 1H cav deals more damage with swords, can spam 2H cav to death and can use a shield. 2H is perfectly viable, but not as strong as 1H.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Casimir on November 29, 2013, 03:17:45 pm
Buff 2h cav
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Joseph Porta on November 29, 2013, 04:58:10 pm
Quote from: HardRice on November 28, 2013, 09:24:20 pm

24/15 looks like a fucking wrecking ball, i'll have to test it.

it is fucking awesome! and in siege you'll be a beast aswell! I really like these builds..

Quote from: Erzengel on November 28, 2013, 08:55:36 pm
Why 28 strength on your lvl 35 build? Better transform that one point into more IF and always max out WM.

I am also making a 2h cav alt atm.

Going for 21/15 at lvl 30:

7 IF
7 PS
5 ATH
5 Riding
5 WM

Should be pretty nice.

Phi! who cares when you can have 9 PS on horseback whilst riding a fucking TANK with 9 PS swinging some Morningstar, or whatever, around!

come on, man! Individuality is something to consider! jest around with a couching stick and you are THE muthafuckin' knight, whilst on foot you are just a str crutcher, with 5 Ath, you'll wreck with this! who needs IF or WM when you are a Knight in shiny overpowered armour, crutching 9PS like mad AND having a beast to ride on, you can even carry a shield to ward of arrows.

It's AMAZING!  :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

the 9 PS is just for personal epeen, who can say "I have 9 PS on horseback"!
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Joseph Porta on November 29, 2013, 05:24:11 pm
Quote from: Tovi on November 29, 2013, 05:57:15 am
Once,I was 2H/archer cav (with a katana). Pretty fun too.
i've played this too, play mainly as 2h cav and take the bow out when the situation requires so, one bag of arrows is not alot you see! though with this I really advice playing with loomed equipment otherwise you'll be as useless as a.. can't quite figure what would be as useless, though you will irritate people to death!
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on November 29, 2013, 08:54:41 pm
My current build:
Lvl32
24/15
8 PS
8 IF
5 Riding
5 Athletics
3 WM
112 Wpf in 2H

Takes a lot of punishment in heavy (and/or) mw gear...
I use a mw longsword for the reach, just switch between 2h and polemode for some extra pierce dmg

And by the way, you can just take a hunting xbow and bolts with you if you encounter ha/hx/pikers...
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Jarold on November 29, 2013, 10:27:25 pm
Quote from: Mr.K. on November 29, 2013, 02:32:50 pm
"Immense damage" with HBS is less than 30c with or without a shield. With a shield it uses 1H wpf which you don't have and that's why you deal less damage in that mode. People overestimate the power of 2H cav because it looks far stronger than it is. The fact is 1H cav deals more damage with swords, can spam 2H cav to death and can use a shield. 2H is perfectly viable, but not as strong as 1H.

Never thought of it that way, I didn't think wpf could affect damage so much. I did test on an unarmored opponent I was getting an average of 120 damage and without the shield it was 150. IMO I think it adds an extra penalty onto your already penalized two hander on horseback if you have a shield equipped. But you could be right.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Patoson on February 23, 2014, 03:59:59 pm
Now that 2h penalties have been reduced, has anyone tried a build that is not 24/15 (like 21/18)? I'm going to try it in a STF but I'd like to know if anyone has some feedback.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Mr.K. on February 24, 2014, 07:59:39 am
We tested the damage quickly with a STF and it seems a bit OP now. Has the penalty been reduced or removed completely? 24/15 build can now kill a regular infantry build (tested against 24str, 5IF) in plate (63 armor) with one hit on the body with a Morningstar and a non-loomed Longsword seems to do the same damage as a loomed Arabian Cavalry Sword. Enough to kill most people with a well aimed first hit.

Buffing Morningstar was clearly not needed as it already was the go-to weapon on Strat for both 2H and 1H cav. And why would a 106cm, 1.8kg Longsword do a lot more damage than a 105cm 2.3kg ACS in one hand? Instead of damage the speed should have been buffed making 2H cav comparable to 1H.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: San on February 24, 2014, 08:11:34 am
2h with shield was made better, but 2h without shield wasn't made better afaik. It has always been insanely powerful. If anything, I thought the 2h/1h weapons such as longsword and morningstar without shield were slightly reduced in damage.

I damage tested 2h with shield using the in-game calc before the patch and the damage was quite pitiful compared to swinging without the shield (using appropriate wpf). At that time, 2h/1h weapons didn't have a penalty when used without shield.


Edit: To answer the question, strength against infantry, agility if you want all around utility / good speed bonus from horse and let you catch other cav.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Casimir on February 24, 2014, 10:17:48 am
Buff 2h cav!
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Latvian on February 24, 2014, 04:02:25 pm
buff it!!
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: oreshy on March 17, 2014, 02:13:58 am
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...buff it.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Rico on March 18, 2014, 04:14:24 pm
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..this wouldn't not fits to a certain theme.

..¿but are you sure you want to buff dos handres caballo? :(
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: oreshy on March 18, 2014, 10:27:46 pm
Quote from: Panuru on March 18, 2014, 04:14:24 pm
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..this wouldn't not fits to a certain theme.

..¿but are you sure you want to buff dos handres caballo? :(

...exactly.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: Tore on March 19, 2014, 12:31:47 am
buff
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: OpenPalm on March 20, 2014, 08:45:35 am
Quote from: Ronin on November 29, 2013, 02:01:40 am
Weapon suggestions:
-shortened military scythe
-Bardiche
-Shortened Voulge
-Persian Battle Axe
-Persian War Axe (press x for pierce damage)
-War Axe
-Mace
-Great Axe
-Katana

and (I saved this one last)
-Estoc!

for the luls
-Langes Messer
-Fighting Axe
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: San on March 20, 2014, 01:44:49 pm
Quote from: HardRice on November 28, 2013, 08:15:03 pm
Also, what's the best weapon(aside from morningstar, I refuse to use it) to use?

The 2h/1h split weapons are by far the best right now.
Title: Re: 2hand cavalry
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on March 24, 2014, 09:20:51 am
I have done 2H cav on my STF character a few times. There are a bunch of 2H weps that you can swing on horseback that have massive base damage. With speed bonus and good PS they hit like a truck. Persian war axe and persian battle axe are my favs. My current 2H char has a +3 long iron mace and that's fun on horseback. The two axes will destroy targets if you get decent speed bonus on your ride-by swing. Harder than couch/thrust with a lance, but you can catch people off guard since this is rarely ever done. Just avoid anyone with a spear who is aware of you. You'll get reared every time.