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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Rebelyell on November 04, 2013, 11:03:37 pm
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In my opinion there are 2h weapons that are smaller shorter and lighter than 1h 1 slot weapons
Katana and Bastard Sword deserve place in 1 slot weapon category.
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In my opinion there are 2h weapons that are smaller shorter and lighter than 1h 1 slot weapons
Katana and Bastard Sword deserve place in 1 slot weapon category.
Use a 1h with 2h mode, also lol at bastard sword deserving to be oneslot.
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Use a 1h with 2h mode, also lol at bastard sword deserving to be oneslot.
you can do it with 2 weapons
also
weapon length: 101
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 101
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode
explain me why not?
there are powerfull weapons that can be 1 slot but not that weapon, almost no one use that weapon
I know that weapon is fast but 0 slot 1h are fast to and with new stab and 30+ dmg on stab.
and catana is just shitty version of longsword
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If they nerf them considerably, sure. More variation and not break the balance.
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Imho inventory/slots is not the best system for the following reason:
- Slot "resolution" is one quarter of what you can carry. Stuff takes up 0, 1 or 2 quarters, so making something realistic is gonna be really hard
- Strength doesn't play in and allow you to carry more
- Weight of armor doesn't play in and reduces how big weapons you can run around with
I realize this is a M&B thing that's not easily changed, and that our devs needa balance and design their stuff around it. I guess my point is that we might as well give up on sizes, realism or whatnot, and ask ourselves the question: "do we want arbalest guys with 2h weapons?".
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In my opinion there are 2h weapons that are smaller shorter and lighter than 1h 1 slot weapons
Katana and Bastard Sword deserve place in 1 slot weapon category.
lol...nope
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"do we want arbalest guys with 2h weapons?".
There was a time where an arbalest guy would've had 2 stack of bolts and a flamberge.
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Only 2h weapon that could benefit from being 1slot would be axe, it just feels like a pointless weapon when u look at 2 handed axe right next to it with better stats and next to no price difference, but IMO even with a huge price increase it would still be too OP compared to mace. :?
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I was thinking about this recently because i would love some more 1 slot 2h swords, but the bastard sword would be too powerful and low price the way it is now. maybe if it was made more expensive it could work. or maybe even a new 1 slot 2h weapon that is more balanced
Bastard sword:
weapon length: 101
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 101
weapon length: 101
thrust damage: 21 pierce
swing damage: 35 cut
slots: 2
Secondary Mode
Upkeep: 280 gold
Langes messer (2H mode) :
weapon length: 92
weight: 1.7
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 100
weapon length: 92
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 34 cut
slots: 1
Secondary Mode
Upkeep: 526 gold
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I can guarantee everybody that I will go 2h/arbalists with a bastard sword if this gets implemented.
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Katana was 1 slot for a while, but the reason why there are no 1 slot 2h weapons is the same reason why xbows are now 2 slots. It's just too OP. If you want to make a 2h/xbow hybrid, either use hunting xbow or use items like 2h mace, 1h military sickle, langes messer.
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If they nerf them considerably, sure. More variation and not break the balance.
Why nerf them though?
The regular Bastard sword, not heavy bastard, is smaller and weaker than the top tier 1handers. Why should it be 2 slots just cause its a 2h? Its NOWHERE near as good a weapon as the OPMACE, and thats 1slot. Why the hate on bastard sword. Its a bit of a bastard, for sure, but you cannot hold that against it.
EDIT: Infact, its a lot less usefull than Fighting Axe, which when used 1handed OR 2handed is better than bastard sword, and smashes shields into the bargain. I fucking traded off my bastard sword just cause why would I carry a 2 slot weapon that is vastly inferior to a 1slot?
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There was a time where an arbalest guy would've had 2 stack of bolts and a flamberge.
Yup lol. Wearing plate as well iirc, back before repair costs.
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I would WELCOME arbamolesters to use bastard sword. Most of them have 15 STR. Have fun glancing. ATM they use OPMACE, which is stupidly overpowerd and 1 slot, or a 1hander with pierce, or a 1/2hander with pierce. What would you like? Glancefest spamfest that is not a threat, or the current way all arbamolester use a fucking op weapon?
Cause lets not play around, atm 1handers are broken, I had no problem using them before, now they are stupidly overpowered. Not even the stab is my worry. Makes my blood boil when tards that dont even know what attack direction they are gonna do are wildly swinging around a pick, in the knowledge that ANY hit they make will be good, since that OP shit doesnt glance, ever.
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Use a 1h with 2h mode, also lol at bastard sword deserving to be oneslot.
If they nerf them considerably, sure. More variation and not break the balance.
lol...nope
Perfect example of response that contribute nothing to conversation, If you really want to leave your opinion here write why you think it is bad idea.
Katana have high speed and good cut but short range and shitty stab, is also expensive and way worse on battlefield than longsword
Bastard sword is preatty much 1h weapon with longer grip(I will not go in to history of that weapon) but if we change it to 1h mode the same way Langes messer changes:
Bastard sword: "1h version"
weapon length: 101
weight: 1.8
difficulty: 9
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 101
thrust damage: 19 pierce
swing damage: 32 cut -
slots: 2
Secondary Mode
Upkeep: 280 gold
It is just theory
following that pathe we get good 1h weapon with really low upkeep prize
at that point I can agree that it would be to cheap weapon.
If we leave that weapon in 2h 2 slot tier that prize is good(in my opinion)
If we could make it 1h/2h weapon with no penalties and stat transfer similar to Langes messer prize is way to low, and maybe require some speed tweak.
If we make that weapon 1 slot maybe we should increase upkeep a bit to
I don really get argumets like no because 2h op, or every xbower will use that ect.
First of all archers and xbowers have access to 0 slot 1h weapons with 30+ pierce dmg that combined with high agi and weapon speed can be really deadly
stab on Bastard sword is blunt shiet in any mode
0 slot weapons alows xbowers to create xbow 1h shield class that can counter everything in that game.
So now forum heroes and 2h haters explain me how that weapon would break game
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0 slot weapons alows xbowers to create xbow 1h shield class that can counter everything in that game.
Really? I hardly ever see those tbh.
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The langes is already a great 2h weapon... it is like carrying a pocket longsword with an arb. I would argue that the polearm stab for it is even better than the regular 2h stab since it is much less likely to glance at close range with low power strike and the animation hides the sword under the body too. But giving a bastard sword to arbalest users would be gamebreaking because of how unbelievably good it is. I would not mind making 1 slot 2hers, but they would need to be MUCH slower to FORCE xbowmen to make a choice between more xbow proficiency or more 2h proficiency. If they made the bastard sword 1 slot, you would see a lot of xbowmen choose xbow proficiency due to the bastard swords fast speed. But give them a slower 2h and they would be forced to dump wpf into 2h to use it effectively (if they use it at all).
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I needed to give you a response as to why this is a bad idea? Can't you use your head and figure it out yourself?
Being able to use a katana or bastard sword with an arbalest + quiver of bolts (or bow and arrow) is a fucking dumb idea. You need to give up the better weapons (2 slot) if you want to use a crossbow or bow. You might as well ask for devs to remove the slot system. Just dumb. Don't be that guy.
Learn to play devil's advocate, it will get you far in life.
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I needed to give you a response as to why this is a bad idea? Can't you use your head and figure it out yourself?
Being able to use a katana or bastard sword with an arbalest + quiver of bolts (or bow and arrow) is a fucking dumb idea. You need to give up the better weapons (2 slot) if you want to use a crossbow or bow. You might as well ask for devs to remove the slot system. Just dumb. Don't be that guy.
Learn to play devil's advocate, it will get you far in life.
2h and bow and arrow is a reality. A lot of people just don't do it because you'd be out of arrows fairly quickly and the langes messer is a good enough substitute. Also I think the guy in the stall next to me is dying.
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i would much rather fight arbalesters who use bastard swords or katanas over that little fucking hard hitting always knockdown faster than a speeding bullet fucking mace! if you didn't notice i have that op mace
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2h and bow and arrow is a reality. A lot of people just don't do it because you'd be out of arrows fairly quickly and the langes messer is a good enough substitute. Also I think the guy in the stall next to me is dying.
2 slot (not 2h) melee weapon + bow and arrows is not a reality :) IMO being able to pick up another 2h that's 2 slots is a big advantage to having 2h WPF and using a 1 slot 2h weapon.
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Perfect example of response that contribute nothing to conversation, If you really want to leave your opinion here write why you think it is bad idea.
For almost half the price, the bastard sword has 1 more cut, 1 more speed, 9 more length, 1 less pierce but a much longer thrust compared to a 2h mode langes messer. Langes Messer might be a good 1h weapon as well, but call this balanced and I won't take you seriously.
Langes Messer is a good choice compared to other 1 slot 2h weapons like mace, military sickle and fighting axe, all those weapons being relatively well balanced with each other.
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They dont want the messer cause the skillless cunts cant abooze lolstab with that and they are frightened their bad skills will show. Wouldnt really like the katana and bastards to be 1 sloth. Would be more pleased if new weapons were put in the game. 2h and 1 sloth.
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They dont want the messer cause the skillless cunts cant abooze lolstab with that and they are frightened their bad skills will show. Wouldnt really like the katana and bastards to be 1 sloth. Would be more pleased if new weapons were put in the game. 2h and 1 sloth.
most xbowers abuze 1h now so I really dont get that
also 23 pierce dmg on master work is to much, way to much
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They dont want the messer cause the skillless cunts cant abooze lolstab with that and they are frightened their bad skills will show. Wouldnt really like the katana and bastards to be 1 sloth. Would be more pleased if new weapons were put in the game. 2h and 1 sloth.
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Exactly. Hilt slash but no lolstab is at least kind of gimped.
2 slot (not 2h) melee weapon + bow and arrows is not a reality :) IMO being able to pick up another 2h that's 2 slots is a big advantage to having 2h WPF and using a 1 slot 2h weapon.
Most bows are only one slot. You can use a horn bow, one stack of arrows and any 2h but a great maul. Neux did it all the time with a horn now and miaodao.
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most xbowers abuze 1h now so I really dont get that
Yes they do and it is retarded, but this is not about them atm.
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Yes they do and it is retarded, but this is not about them atm.
I get a point but you cant abuse 23 dmg lolstab on so short weapon, because that dmg suck balls
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There was a time where an arbalest guy would've had 2 stack of bolts and a flamberge.
ah yes, xbow, 2 stacks of bolts and a MW Claymore on my back, not op at all :3