I think a bit of both. It's both insensitive and you're being over sensitive.
Having watched those videos, I think the jokes should have been omitted simply for courtesies sake because people did die in the real situation. I also noticed that they removed the comments on the video, so they obviously have issues with people shouting about it.
Shitstorm someone for making jokes about 9/11? Guess that's what the topic is about, only watched first video and actually had a good laugh.
So just as of recently the Yogscast crew, Simon in particular made his 3rd joke towards the 9/11 events. I immediately thought, "wow, that wasn't very funny, actually quite offensive really". I'd like to just hear your opinions on the matter.
It has been nearly 7 years if my maths is correct and I think people become numb to it being "an issue".
The September 11 attacks (also referred to as September 11, September 11th, or 9/11[nb 1]) were a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks launched by the Islamic terrorist group al-Qaeda upon the United States in New York City and the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area on Tuesday, September 11, 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
Apology not accepted. It's not about me being an asshole this time, but I'm against "common courtesy" of saying sorry if there is nothing to be sorry about. In my own (not so humble) opinion, people should apology to each other only if they make something really stupid that has negative effects on them, their surroundings or the community as a whole. Saying sorry because you said something that's entirely right is silly and people do that every day because in the past they got canned because of it. Guess what, it's year 2013. We don't rely on our brains to memorize stuff anymore. We have hard drives for that :wink:
Apology not accepted. It's not about me being an asshole this time, but I'm against "common courtesy" of saying sorry if there is nothing to be sorry about. In my own (not so humble) opinion, people should apologize to each other only if they make something really stupid that has negative effects on them, their surroundings or the community as a whole. Saying sorry because you said something that's entirely right is silly and people do that every day because in the past they got canned because of it. Guess what, it's year 2013. We don't rely on our brains to memorize stuff anymore. We have hard drives for that :wink:Fixed leshma's grammar huzza!
In my own (not so humble) opinion, people should apology to each other only if they make something really stupid that has negative effects on them, their surroundings or the community as a whole.
They are cowards that they disabled the comments. Either don't make the joke, or be prepared for butthurt people flaming you.I do love it when people call other people cowards online. That word makes zero sense in this context.
You can't be serious.
Also if you are not being able to cope with it and go on with your lives, the terrorists won, to put it in american terms. In the case of 9/11 the terrorists won so much you can't even board on a plane without a background check on your grandparents. 2001 was more than 12 years ago, the honeymoon period is well over. If anything it's the mourning of pre-9/11 society that we should do. There's nothing to remember except how a small organisation could make the US go batshit crazy and forget about itself being the land of the free.
Protip: Noone really cares. Noone really cared even in the beginning.
Crying about 9/11 is something douchebags, polticians and patriots do, to either start a conflict or to gain votes.
It's black humour, just like those jokes with jew babies and chocolate chip cookies. No one cares.
I do love it when people call other people cowards online. That word makes zero sense in this context.
well they are kind of hiding themselves from the wrath of hate by disabling the comments, so i would apply cowardice to them. If they knew the comment was going to cause hatred, maybe they shouldnt have made it.Random comments by random youtube users, what's not to fear?
Random comments by random youtube users, what's not to fear?
So quit being an emotionless ass, you really are a fucking twat Tiberius, your posts are shit, please go troll somewhere else.
Just because you give means to justify why you can do it doesnt make it right, with comments like that, its ok to go to Japan and congratulate them on rebuilding there cities after the bombings, or going to a jewish community and congratulating them on repopulating their towns and cities after the holocaust. It's just courtesy, its called filtering your mouth from making stupid comments.
True, my posts are crap, but compared to you they are pure gold mate. Emotionless ass huh? No I do have emotions. Just not regarding 9/11. Very few EUs do really. They just dont talk about it. The americans demanding everybody to bow their heads and cry internationally whenever anybody even briefly dares to say something is pretty silly and very ironical. Your goverment keeps saying how bad it was, yet somehow it doesnt really stop them from milking from it as much as they possibly can. Not to mention all the spying and innocent civilian killing over the course of many years, one couldnt really give a single crap about your problems. On a historical scale, 9/11 is pretty much nothing, every EU nation has seen much worse.
This isnt a coping thing, you are missing the point, its filtering, we as a nation have already coped, but you dont go making light of thousands of people dying when it occurred 12 years ago. 12 years is really quite a short time, this would be the same as me joking with my grandfather about vietnam, its just something you dont do, its not right, why would i want to harm him.
(made towards them, not you)But when you are an englishmen, an ocean away, with no attachment to it, i guess its okay to offend people, because its not you, and who cares right?
Protip: quite clearly someone cares considering i made this thread, and then there are all the comments on youtube, reddit, and oh all the other media sources commenting on the first few jokes they made. So quit being an emotionless ass, you really are a fucking twat Tiberius, your posts are shit, please go troll somewhere else.
So me asking someone to not harm other people makes me a douchebag?
it makes me a patriot because i dont think its right to have an englishmen making comments about thousands of people dying with a fucking penis joke, yep ok, please go die in a hole somewhere, quite clearly you must be a real activist in your community, im sure you are quite the fucking go getter arent you?
If you didnt get the memo Tiberius, i dont like you.....
yes black humor is okay when its not you being effected by the humor at hand, its the internet right so it makes it okay though......
Just because you give means to justify why you can do it doesnt make it right, with comments like that, its ok to go to Japan and congratulate them on rebuilding there cities after the bombings, or going to a jewish community and congratulating them on repopulating their towns and cities after the holocaust. It's just courtesy, its called filtering your mouth from making stupid comments.
well they are kind of hiding themselves from the wrath of hate by disabling the comments, so i would apply cowardice to them. If they knew the comment was going to cause hatred, maybe they shouldnt have made it.
People are going to tell jokes about fucked up shit. Its life. Still a pussy move to take down comments. Be a man and take what you give.
To my EU pals talking about getting over an event from 12 years ago, if you took your own advice, we wouldn't have so many chocolate chip cookies on our forums here :P
Still a pussy move to take down comments. Be a man and take what you give.:lol:
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Oh man, you are so cute. I can only imagine how hard it must be in your life, fearing Youtube comments. Every time you open a Youtube link, you dare not scroll down to the comments. They could be dangerous. Oh indeed, it takes untold bravery to look at the comments. Only the courageous have the strength of will to do so, others are cowards.
If making a good joke about the subject matter is "harming", then it's obvious someone didn't cope with it yet.
This is such an hypocritical thing to say. People die and it's a tragedy, right ? It's always a tragedy, be it a road accident or cancer or a terrorist attack. Do you deeply care about those that died by artillery fire in Bagdag during the first days of the war ? I doubt so, yet there's very little difference between them and those that died in the towers.
You do remember that you asked for opinions and I gave u one? Never said you are going to like it. Ive never made a 9/11 joke sofar really, so kudos to me I quess. "The Yogscast are assholes thread" was pretty retarded. In the first video all the dude said was "I almost reenacted 9/11 there". Thats really such a horrible joke? Are you kiddin me? I dont really talk about the catastrophies in my lifetime, because I dont want to make people feel uncomfortable. Make them feel limited on the subjects and discussions, cause that would be me secretly thinking im better then they are. Also mainly most people(if not all of em) calling others insensitive and assholes about the subject arent the ones who are getting hurt by it. They just automatically assume there is someone who is getting hurt by it nearby listening and act like the insensitive police.
Why would you even care? It's called a joke for a reason.
Why get offended, though? How does it help you? What's the benefit? And I don't mean just here, but in general. Why get offended over anything someone says?
so what your saying is being offended is wrong? because it doesnt bring forward some sort of gain, so in turn, i can spit on you but not worry about you being offended because you have nothing to gain from being offended therefore it doesnt matter.Yes, I'm saying being offended is wrong. And obviously it isn't a human emotion to be offended. I know plenty people who can't be offended, myself being one of them.
Why does there have to be benefit for action? even setting aside action, this is something that isnt controllable, its a human emotion to be offended.
nothing hypoctricial, its called i dont walk up to accident victims and make jokes about car crashes......you are making it worse than it is, your labeling without the need for it.
Everyone of these posts COMPLETELY MISS the fucking point. Yes if i was in Iraq speaking to people in Baghdad i wouldnt be making jokes about the U.S bombing them, Why you ask? because ITS FUCKING OFFENSIVE, THATS WHY, and then telling them to get over it, ya im sure thatll go well.
Take the 9/11 part of it, throw it away completely, its insulting to someone, this isnt some sort of "American" thing, its world wide, black and white thing called courtesy
, and when you are an entertainment source for several cultures i dont think you should be throwing out humor that offends a certain culture, simple as that.
I agree our opinions will vary, and im fine with that, but courtesy is something that even language barriers cant hold back, everyone knows what they are, and how to do them. I get the first joke was quite light, but was still aware it would offend people, the second joke was commenting on how Simon spilling his tea was as tragic as the death of over three thousand Americans, thats not really a light comment to make. If you and your pals wanna make jokes with one another, i think thats fine, but if you and your pals wanna make jokes infront of an older gentlemen who maybe fought in WW2 then all of a sudden you dont make those same jokes because it may offend the person, thats my point, you change your actions, and filter yourself because you dont want to harm someone.
Euros are crying about Americans being offended by 9/11 jokes while making banthreads on Wayyyyyne for http://forum.melee.org/eu-(official)/fallen_wayyyyyne/The "euros" and "Americans" distinction is stupid here. It's definitely not all Europeans getting butthurt over Wayne's little sentence, only a few retarded ones.
Oh and look, "it's definitely not the first time Wayyyyyne has shown sympathy for that kind of ideology", could this be another even over 50 years ago a Euro still thinks it isn't cool to joke about.
For the record I do believe in getting over 9/11 and chocolate chip cookie Germsmany, but a Euro should go tell Germany to make cute puppies and YMCA legal before he makes 9/11 jokes.
I know plenty people who can't be offended, myself being one of them.Probably comes with not caring about anything.
Lol i chuckled zlisch good thread
The "euros" and "Americans" distinction is stupid here. It's definitely not all Europeans getting butthurt over Wayne's little sentence, only a few retarded ones.
So releasing a video where there's a joke about 9/11 is comparable with walking up to accident victims and making jokes about car crashes... ?
That would probably not go to well, because you can't expect people to show maturity about such things. That "it's offensive D:" is meaningless. Everything is offensive to at least someone.
Being angered over 9/11 jokes is an american thing, and even in the US not that many people will take offense.
This is where you are wrong.
Sure you may do that but in a free society nothing and nobody will actually forbid you to make jokes just because it's offensive to someone.
You didn't answer antiblitz, why do you get offended? Serious question. If it doesn't help in any way, why? Is it just something you can't suppress no matter how much you try?
it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people. I cant truly explain it to you, maybe its brainwashing from political propoganda, or training, but either way, its a part of me that i dont want offended. Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny. Either way, i dont like it, and id rather it not be said to people who have really lost people on that day.Fair enough, but in that case dont you think it might have been a mistake making this thread in the first place? I mean now people know how to get under your skin and this community is pretty damn nice, by internetstandards.
I'm wrong lol okay, you must live in America and would know these things, so somehow these werent offensive, yet they didnt take it down due to community backlash?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/att-911-tweet_n_3907977.html
Nope doesnt seem like people are "over it" to me.......
yes free society or not, its respect and courtesy, and its just shit you dont say, out of those things, is all of Europe just babbling assholes or something? I mean come on, or is it just this community......
Aww Germany, why you not get over it yet, only 70years ago, you werent even born, why you care? Hmm, dont be mad, they only threw him out of the fucking building......
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420733/Russell-Brand-Hugo-Boss-GQ-Award-jibe-wasnt-intended--destroy-them.html
You are wrong when you feel entitled to some kind of justice because you got offended by someone or something. Getting offended doesn't give you a right to anything.
Hey, we invented rationalism, not you guys
If you had read it, you would know that they threw him out, out of fear his jokes would hurt the company, not because they were offended by his jokes. PR professionals very well know some people would go out of their way to boycott Hugo Boss upon learning it like hundreds of successful companies cooperated with the chocolate chip cookie regime.
it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people. I cant truly explain it to you, maybe its brainwashing from political propoganda, or training, but either way, its a part of me that i dont want offended. Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny. Either way, i dont like it, and id rather it not be said to people who have really lost people on that day.
Ask a black guy why you cant call him the N word, what will he tell you?
Ask Germans why you cant refer to them as N azis, what do you think they will tell you?
Ask Russia why they decided to suppress foreign games, what do you think they will tell you?
Ask Koreans if they can be referred to as "Gooks".
To these people these things are offensive, why offend them, especially out of the blue, nobody expected what he said to come. If i wanted to watch 9/11 jokes i would have, but i didnt, i wanted to watch the antics of two inept brits play minecraft or whatever.
Even in that Wayyne post, it offended those Dutch folks, though everyone else couldnt see how it was offensive, the first thought on every trolls mind was to tell them to suck it up, or whatever other nonsense they could come up with, and its the same thing with this. I was just hoping for views that werent so trollish similar to Tennenoth, but instead like i said earlier, its one liners, and pointless "suck it up" chatter because they werent offended by it and never will be.
I totally understand and agree with parts of Angantyr's post, but softening the sting is something thats done by time, lots of time. Is it okay to throw a revolutionary war joke, or war of 1812 joke? why? because the folks who lived during that time that felt that was apart of them no longer exist, and the resonance of pain caused by making this black humor isnt felt to the same degree. (that A was broken away for you Kafein)A lot of people remember those events, and they are surreal, and making jokes about them can be painful, its like making pearl harbor jokes, i myself dont care, because i dont have an emotional attachment to it, however maybe my grandfather or great grandfather might not find those jokes so funny. Quite clearly Hugo Boss didnt find Russel Brand's jokes very funny, and those were in the making from 70 years ago, the guy was thrown out of the place, in London.
I think the only reason the comparisons were made was not so much to compare the travesty of the events but to show that it wouldnt be humorous to the people who took place in those events, especially when you yourself didnt take place in the event, and are casting jokes from the outside, in.
it is something that has had a huge impact on my life due to my career choices starting from when i was 15y/o(only a few years after the event), up until now, and its upsetting to have a foreign person make derogatory comments about the massacre of thousands of my people.
Its along the same lines as a black guy making jokes about black guys, or a asian guy making jokes about asians, but im not going to do it because its offensive to that person, or culture, and i dont think they would appreciate the comments, even if they were indeed funny.
Ask a black guy why you cant call him the N word, what will he tell you?
Ask Germans why you cant refer to them as N azis, what do you think they will tell you?
Ask Russia why they decided to suppress foreign games, what do you think they will tell you?
Ask Koreans if they can be referred to as "Gooks".
To these people these things are offensive
you are right it doesnt, however when you are a business, and i being the person purchasing said goods, i have a right to make an absolute bitchfest at anything related, why because if everyone else feels the same way, then you are left with poor sales and in turn, less money---------Yogscast isnt just two dudes in a basement making youtube videos anymore, its a business, and one that maybe shouldnt be throwing out comments like that in its infancy, when the only thing they have to sell, is views, and the only thing to lose is everything because of branding.
Same thing as Russel Brand being thrown out, fear they would harm the company, because they were, what word? OFFENSIVE
, making those comments possibly could have done damage, the same way the Yogscast could quite possibly do to themselves if this actually caught wind and wanted to be spread through the media sources.
Edit: just to add this in lol, kind of funny, though it is their forums, they deleted the latest thread about someone questioning the incident.
http://forums.yogscast.com/showthread.php?128598-Latest-Garry-s-Mod-Vid
Antiblitz, you are being openly racist now, and you don't even seem to realise. Let me explain why :
As I see it, were it you and a couple thousand chinese being affected, you wouldn't care about the chinese, because they are not "your people" obviously.
"Because some black people might hear me I will not use the N word". That's basically fear of the unknown and a lack of understanding trying to hide behind simplistic principles to show everyone you are not racist, yet it doesn't matter when there aren't any black people around because only them will be offended by the N word ?
This is the same thing but worse. It seems that to you all "aliens" are really stupid and will react badly if you use certain words because reasons you don't really care about.
Ask yourself why is it offensive to them and not everyone. Why should you downright discriminate people and change your discourse based on your audience in a completely racist way ?
Do whatever you want, vote against Hugo Boss with your dollars because they cooperated with the chocolate chip cookie regime if you want, that's no issue.
To who ?
If anything, this catching wind would increase their views as more people would come to learn about a channel they would otherwise not have discovered.
im being openly racist? what? lol, doesnt make any sense. Yes knowing that a portion of my viewing audience is black, i myself would not start shouting the N word, makes perfect sense, i dont get how you cant see that, how is this some sort of altered view? Idk where you are going with all this really, i dont really know how to argue with this......
Its not that i fear using it, hell i just shouted it out loud in my house and down the street, but the fact that your known target audience consists of these people, i would not offend them, I still am lost as to how this is a fucked up view lol.
idk do you want me to fly to Europe and pick out offended people, clearly someone must find it somewhat offensive, or else it would have not been an issue
Yes negative publicity is publicity none the less, but in the end, when everyones done viewing, they make decisions on how they view the person/group, and it doesnt make them famous, it makes them infamous, and infamy leads to poor business.
It is a fucked up view because you think saying "friend" to black people is offensive because you are white (I assume) and they are black. If that's not racist, I don't know what is.
Exactly, Hugo Boss people threw him out by fear it would hurt the company because some random people would be offended, not because they were offended themselves. They reacted like a business taking into account the irrationality of people, and the power of those people to affect their sales, not because it was immoral to make those jokes or because they wanted to punish the comedian.
I'm not sure what this is about anymore. Antiblitz, people get offended. This is known by all. They are stupid to get offended, however, and everything will offend someone. Some people are straight out professional getting-offended-ers. So what or who dictates which things should be censored? The amount of people getting offended? Quantity over quality thinking? If so, why? If not, why? It's the same discussion as with religions. Pure bullshit political correctness, nothing to do with what is 'right'.
Setting all that aside, intent is what should be the most important factor, not the words themselves. If someone calls their friend a friend, their tone and intent are important, not the word itself. Same with everything else. Clearly Yogscast's intent here was not to try and insult Americans, so if you get offended over what they said... you need to do some thinking and become a better human being.
im merely stating that maybe people should think about their audience when speaking about them, its fucking courtesy.
Xant nothing can get past your Finnish Walls, nothing can conquer the emotionless, sky high walls you have seemed to build, you are the envy of all man.Walls? No, I have no walls. It is you who has built artificial structures inside your mind that make you get offended. Emotionless? Not feeling unproductive, bad emotions equals to emotionless? No, hardly. I'd simply rather be happy than feel sad for no reason at all.