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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => The Chamber of Tears => Topic started by: Panos_ on October 14, 2013, 10:58:43 pm

Title: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Panos_ on October 14, 2013, 10:58:43 pm
When 2handers keep crying about how UP their class  is

http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/why-onehanders-are-currently-op/



2handers, you need, to SHUT, THE, FUCK , UP for once, since day 1 of crpg, your class is the most broken and most abusable of all classes of this mod

Ghostreach
Lolstab
Hitslash
Utterly retarded speed bonus

When it comes to speaking about other classes, you people should be the last ones to express an opinion , even a monkey with down syndrome can be actually good with a 2h because it doesnt require skill, all you need to do is get 7 or higher athletics, and repeat this

LEFT SWING SPAM, S KEY, LOLSTAB = REPEAT UNTIL WIN

In all honesty, I believe that your class is the reason that stabs are so fucked up in this mod, instead of nerfing the lolstab, the devs decided to equate the retardation of lolstab to all the other classes.


Yes, 1h stab is utterly retarded, but for fucks sake, you need to shut up.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Panos_ on October 14, 2013, 11:05:10 pm
You know, sometimes I have a dilemma on which class I despise the most, ranged or 2handers, and I actually realise that ranged is not even OP, it`s just that there are actually a lot of ranged players out there, at least being a good archer requires some skill and some actual use of mind..
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 14, 2013, 11:30:26 pm
All weapon classes are fairly balanced, the last 1h stab damage buffs need to be reverted, and the stab needs a slight length nerf, which however has to actually fit with the animation, unlike before when the weapon glanced while being halfway at maximum reach, and glanced in the early stages of the animation as well. Ofc the attack nudge needs the extra nerf Paul has promised it as well, even though I'll miss having a way to deal with with the kind of shielders who just hold S and block three hits before swinging once it is somewhat bullshit that such an easy move grants a free hit. If pole and 2h stabs also get nerfed (which I wouldn't mind, stabs are all fucking retarded) then all nonstabby weapons should get nerfed slightly to not break internal balance.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Teeth on October 14, 2013, 11:41:51 pm
When Panos keeps crying about how OP 2h is
I'm pretty sure I fixed that correctly for a lot of people.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Panos_ on October 14, 2013, 11:43:58 pm
I'm pretty sure I fixed that correctly for a lot of people.

Did I annoy you Prince of stab abuse?
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Gurnisson on October 14, 2013, 11:59:15 pm
Ghostreach
Lolstab
Hitslash
Utterly retarded speed bonus

I don't notice any ghost reach while playing or fighting against 2h
Lolstab is an okay point. While it's quite slow, the duration is too long. You can hit with the stab while your character is pulling back the sword. Fair point, but while I think it's a tiny bit better than the polearm stab, I still find it inferior to 1h stab.
All classes can hiltslash
They don't get more speed bonus than other weapons with the same speed/movement.


You need to learn how to fight them and stop making excuses. They're strong, but not unfairly strong compared to other infantry classes. The best way to get better at fighting them is playing the class and noticing the weak spots for yourself and then make use of that when you play against them. After playing all the classes you get a lot better at countering everything you might meet on the battlefield.

I genuinely doubt you'll try it out and that another 2h whine thread will be made soon.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: the real god emperor on October 15, 2013, 09:44:41 am
Panos has a point , well 2h is easy to avoid for me in the field but when they whine about others (seriously ? -_-) its really annoying. Its like Tywin Lannister whining about how powerful Tyrion is... I usually dont mind about people crying 7/24 but most 2hers calls others noobs and when they got killed by another miserable class player they just cant accept it .I agree with Panos
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Paul on October 15, 2013, 09:57:55 am
What annoys me the most is the lack of self-cleaning ability of this forum. Obviously stupid people are not put into their place by the supposingly able-minded rest when posting bullshit and grounding their claims on made-up on the spot game mechanics and borderline-retarded reasoning. This leaves me with two possible conclusions: either those posters actually embody the average forum user's intelligence or the sensible yet silent majority has no problems with being represented by the feeble-minded. Both is equally scary.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Moncho on October 15, 2013, 10:02:20 am
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Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Panos_ on October 15, 2013, 10:08:55 am
I started reading, but then I stumbled on this and instantly stopped.

when posting bullshit and grounding their claims on made-up on the spot game mechanics


And I was ready to post back at you, but then I said to myself  "Should I waste time answering and trying to argue with the dev team , who except  Paul, who rarely plays his own mod, they never play it but  they keep adding mechanics that actually do more harm than good" , so actually you have to rethink who`s the idiot here Paul  :wink:


Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: rufio on October 15, 2013, 10:11:43 am
i make a thread sharing my oppinion on a spesific class and wanting some feedback, and ofc personalitys like panos pop up all mad, and paul is a snobby little cunt like always. zlisch totally downvotes all i post but then in this thread posts a quite reasonable post actually somewhat aknowledging what i say. main problem is people when some class is ''attacked'' tend to directly start pointing and going all apeshit on points of other classes. like they're scared the class discussed will lose everything.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Panos_ on October 15, 2013, 10:12:33 am
Oh and something else, I never claimed that I represent this community, I just wanted to whine express my opinion.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Strudog on October 15, 2013, 10:20:48 am
For me the 1h stab is fine, ive gotten used to it, my only problem is that it has a become a viable anti cav weapon, better than some 2h's and polearms, rarely do i charge a 1h full nowadays in fear the stab will either 1 hit me with speed bonus or take all my life, a slight ranged nerf would be perfect.

2nd of all 1H CAV IS THE MOST RETARDED OP SHIT IN THIS GAME, not 2h, not 1h stab, not pole, not ranged but fucking 1h cav
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Vibe on October 15, 2013, 10:39:27 am
Oh and something else, I never claimed that I represent this community, I just wanted to whine express my opinion.

I think everyone knows of your opinion of 2h by now.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Bjord on October 15, 2013, 10:54:54 am
What annoys me the most is the lack of self-cleaning ability of this forum. Obviously stupid people are not put into their place by the supposingly able-minded rest when posting bullshit and grounding their claims on made-up on the spot game mechanics and borderline-retarded reasoning. This leaves me with two possible conclusions: either those posters actually embody the average forum user's intelligence or the sensible yet silent majority has no problems with being represented by the feeble-minded. Both is equally scary.

You probably filed me under the "feeble minded" label, but I think most people just can't be bothered.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Paul on October 15, 2013, 11:22:47 am
No, you are dalit along with the other professional shitposters like Xant, Gnjus, Smooth, Badplayer etc. I don't regard you or them as stupid - quite the opposite. You are just evil and to be kept on distance to avoid the taint(ask Shik). With feeble-minded I mean individuals like rufio who manages to get every aspect of game mechanics wrong in his zealotic lobby-argumentations which are not only incorrect but actually painful to read. Vodner&others as well as in the past Waltf4 fought that cancer with quality posting containing correct information but I think that is a battle that can't be won in the long run.

Panos, as a battle-hardened shitposting zealot,  manages to be both and in a way he has my highest respect for that.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Utrakil on October 15, 2013, 11:26:47 am
What annoys me the most is the lack of self-cleaning ability of this forum. Obviously stupid people are not put into their place by the supposingly able-minded rest when posting bullshit and grounding their claims on made-up on the spot game mechanics and borderline-retarded reasoning. This leaves me with two possible conclusions: either those posters actually embody the average forum user's intelligence or the sensible yet silent majority has no problems with being represented by the feeble-minded. Both is equally scary.

It is one characteristic of an able-minded person to not let himselve get drawn into useless discussions. Especially when they start over and over again.
And as long as devs decissions don't get affected by the constant qq and lobbying those biased posts are beautiful entertainment.
But the devs could help distinguishing the serious and usefull suggestions from the nonsense by participating in the valuable threads.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: rufio on October 15, 2013, 11:28:33 am
No, you are dalit along with the other professional shitposters like Xant, Gnjus, Smooth, Badplayer etc. I don't regard you or them as stupid - quite the opposite. You are just evil and to be kept on distance to avoid the taint(ask Shik). With feeble-minded I mean individuals like rufio who manages to get every aspect of game mechanics wrong in his zealotic lobby-argumentations which are not only wrong but actually painful to read. Vodner&others as well as in the past Waltf4 fought that cancer with quality posting containing correct information but I think that is a battle that can't be won in the long run.

Panos, as a battle-hardened shitposting zealot,  manages to be both and in a way he has my highest respect for that.

so ye i was wrong about the turnrate affecting damage. its still a huge bonus in getting your damage output in.  go fuck yourself paul, youre still a snobby little bastard, every aspect really??
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: [ptx] on October 15, 2013, 11:42:52 am
Paul, but... this topic is already in the chamber of tears? Why should anyone sensible even bother replying to it now? Shitposters have been established a long time ago, now these threads generally just get ignored as background noise...
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Paul on October 15, 2013, 11:56:40 am
Yes, you are right. It must be the taint. It got me too.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: GRANDMOM on October 15, 2013, 12:11:21 pm
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Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: //saxon on October 15, 2013, 12:12:23 pm
what do you mean "you people".

S key is the weakest key on the board, W is the most Glorious.

EDIT: don't put all 2H classed people in one category just because one keeps going through mid-life crisis.
not once have i complained about other classes. they are all a pain in the ass to me, you just need to adapt and learn their weakness.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 15, 2013, 12:15:18 pm
i make a thread sharing my oppinion on a spesific class and wanting some feedback, and ofc personalitys like panos pop up all mad, and paul is a snobby little cunt like always. zlisch totally downvotes all i post but then in this thread posts a quite reasonable post actually somewhat aknowledging what i say. main problem is people when some class is ''attacked'' tend to directly start pointing and going all apeshit on points of other classes. like they're scared the class discussed will lose everything.
Read your post and read mine, I'm suggesting the reverting of the buffs of a few select 1h weapons (San sold me on the idea with his amazing logic), and I'm suggesting the stab animation is shortened a bit so that the rightswing once again becomes the 1h animation with the most reach, your post is a massive shitwall of mostly heavily inaccurate and biased shit (for example even the heavier 1h swords can consistently weaponstun me if they do proper holds), the only thing in your post I acknowledge as correct is that the attack nudge is broken atm and allows for hits on blocking people (and even once nudged you can still manage to block (without counternudging) if you know how), and Paul has already stated this is going to be fixed. Even the nudge you mark as "very effective if utelized in teamplay" isn't even the nudge that is very helpful in teamplay, the one good shieldbash (the other two suck at everything) pushes people away and is good for getting people off ledges and making distance if ganked.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Bjord on October 15, 2013, 12:23:32 pm
No, you are dalit along with the other professional shitposters like Xant, Gnjus, Smooth, Badplayer etc. I don't regard you or them as stupid - quite the opposite. You are just evil and to be kept on distance to avoid the taint(ask Shik). With feeble-minded I mean individuals like rufio who manages to get every aspect of game mechanics wrong in his zealotic lobby-argumentations which are not only incorrect but actually painful to read. Vodner&others as well as in the past Waltf4 fought that cancer with quality posting containing correct information but I think that is a battle that can't be won in the long run.

Panos, as a battle-hardened shitposting zealot,  manages to be both and in a way he has my highest respect for that.

Stop, you're forcing me to feel your pain. Please, just stop...
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: rufio on October 15, 2013, 12:32:09 pm
Read your post and read mine, I'm suggesting the reverting of the buffs of a few select 1h weapons (San sold me on the idea with his amazing logic), and I'm suggesting the stab animation is shortened a bit so that the rightswing once again becomes the 1h animation with the most reach, your post is a massive shitwall of mostly heavily inaccurate and biased shit (for example even the heavier 1h swords can consistently weaponstun me if they do proper holds), the only thing in your post I acknowledge as correct is that the attack nudge is broken atm and allows for hits on blocking people (and even once nudged you can still manage to block (without counternudging) if you know how), and Paul has already stated this is going to be fixed. Even the nudge you mark as "very effective if utelized in teamplay" isn't even the nudge that is very helpful in teamplay, the one good shieldbash (the other two suck at everything) pushes people away and is good for getting people off ledges and making distance if ganked.

i stated that the shieldbash was great in teamplay yes, in in my post i just line up why i think 1handers are great atm, the whole point of the post was pointing out how the current state of stab throws it into opness. but ye call the whole post a shitpost. blow it of as me knowing nothing and being a shitty player. and making biased assumptions.  maybe i should have formulated differently or made the thread another titel so people dont go into a rage instantly.  guess il meet you guys on eu 1 again soon.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Molly on October 15, 2013, 12:33:46 pm
Using capitols and paragraphs in your posts would already be very helpful. Just saying...
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: rufio on October 15, 2013, 12:38:07 pm
i dont care much for such things when not in a proffesional enviorment
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 15, 2013, 01:28:41 pm
i stated that the shieldbash was great in teamplay yes, in in my post i just line up why i think 1handers are great atm, the whole point of the post was pointing out how the current state of stab throws it into opness. but ye call the whole post a shitpost. blow it of as me knowing nothing and being a shitty player. and making biased assumptions.  maybe i should have formulated differently or made the thread another titel so people dont go into a rage instantly.  guess il meet you guys on eu 1 again soon.
You're a decent player, nonetheless that entire post was filled with massive inaccuracies, and no matter what title you use or how you formulate something it'll still be a massive shitpost if it is so flawed. You had one thing in your post that was neither insanely over exaggerated, silly ("and the stab is effectinve up untill the tip of the animation" just like every other stab animation, except for the 2h one which is effective a large amount of time after that), or flat out wrong, and that is "nudge that staggers long enough to get a free hit if done right".
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Bjord on October 15, 2013, 01:39:13 pm
i dont care much for such things when not in a proffesional enviorment

I find myself having trouble seeing you in a professional environment, writing clean English.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: rufio on October 15, 2013, 01:39:59 pm
You're a decent player, nonetheless that entire post was filled with massive inaccuracies, and no matter what title you use or how you formulate something it'll still be a massive shitpost if it is so flawed. You had one thing in your post that was neither insanely over exaggerated, silly ("and the stab is effectinve up untill the tip of the animation" just like every other stab animation, except for the 2h one which is effective a large amount of time after that), or flat out wrong, and that is "nudge that staggers long enough to get a free hit if done right".

the only thing i found out i was ''massivly'' incorrect about is the turn speed affecting damage
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Sniger on October 15, 2013, 02:04:33 pm
I started reading, but then I stumbled on this and instantly stopped.


And I was ready to post back at you, but then I said to myself  "Should I waste time answering and trying to argue with the dev team , who except  Paul, who rarely plays his own mod, they never play it but  they keep adding mechanics that actually do more harm than good" , so actually you have to rethink who`s the idiot here Paul  :wink:

good point. not referring to any particular dev but i think the devs need to play the game they made abit more. its pretty obvious that perhaps pretty much the entire dev team IS NOT playing at all. well please correct me if im wrong and when doing so please also state who is still playing (idc about their ingame nicks) playing on a regular basis, more than 1min a week to check server, not strat, not rageball, not DTV but plain and simple siege/battle. personally i think battle have most issues in terms of balance but thats me :) siege have always been screwed up imo, because of the random respawning for defenders.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: wayyyyyne on October 15, 2013, 02:28:40 pm
Ghostreach and lolstabs? Are we playing the same game or did you stop playing in 2011 Panos?
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Pentecost on October 15, 2013, 02:43:55 pm
This leaves me with two possible conclusions: either those posters actually embody the average forum user's intelligence or the sensible yet silent majority has no problems with being represented by the feeble-minded.

At least on NA, it's precisely BECAUSE they are disgusted by such people and don't want to be lumped in with them that quite a few capable players stay clear of the forums. The ones I was talking to about it just yesterday said that they felt it was less than pointless to spend their time arguing in circles with the cabal of lobbyists and whiners that post here regularly. Others expressed the opinion that offering feedback is nearly meaningless when the devs balance around EU and have dismissed NA-specific problems as being insignificant in the past.

Maybe they're right; who knows? What I told them, though, was that they had a responsibility as skilled players to identify problems with the game and that what they were doing made about as much sense as not voting for your elected officials because you feel that your government fundamentally sucks and nothing will change anyway (a widespread belief among younger Americans these days, unfortunately). It's not a productive viewpoint to have, even if it's correct to an extent.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Gurnisson on October 15, 2013, 03:50:03 pm
For me the 1h stab is fine, ive gotten used to it, my only problem is that it has a become a viable anti cav weapon, better than some 2h's and polearms, rarely do i charge a 1h full nowadays in fear the stab will either 1 hit me with speed bonus or take all my life, a slight ranged nerf would be perfect.

2nd of all 1H CAV IS THE MOST RETARDED OP SHIT IN THIS GAME, not 2h, not 1h stab, not pole, not ranged but fucking 1h cav

I felt somewhat similar before, but tbh, 1h cav is not much but a backstabbing class. Horse barely survives anything, all infantry of similar skill should outreach 1h cav if they don't use pretty short weapons. 1H cav is weaker than lancer who's got more reach and similar damage and have an easier time hitting the head (lance, not heavy glance :wink:) Cavalry as a class is weaker than infantry who's weaker than crossbowmen. I don't find it op anymore, the change to 1h stab was a big nerf to them, considering lancers was better against polearm and 2h players while 1h cav was better against dodging ranged and turtling shielders.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Fartface on October 15, 2013, 04:00:26 pm
NOTHING DOES.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Xant on October 15, 2013, 04:22:18 pm
I find myself having trouble seeing you in a professional environment, writing clean English.
I would love to see that. Rufio, please, give us a sample!
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: rufio on October 15, 2013, 04:36:21 pm
go fuck yourselves pissfairys
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Post by: Xant on October 15, 2013, 05:00:44 pm
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Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Gmnotutoo on October 15, 2013, 05:45:16 pm
What annoys me the most is the lack of self-cleaning ability of this forum. Obviously stupid people are not put into their place by the supposingly able-minded rest when posting bullshit and grounding their claims on made-up on the spot game mechanics and borderline-retarded reasoning. This leaves me with two possible conclusions: either those posters actually embody the average forum user's intelligence or the sensible yet silent majority has no problems with being represented by the feeble-minded. Both is equally scary.

Give me forum moderator powers and I'll warn people for acting a fool.
Title: Re: You know what annoys me the most??..
Post by: Sniger on October 16, 2013, 02:00:18 am
go fuck yourselves pissfairys

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