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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Zekerage on May 13, 2011, 11:43:36 am
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This needs to be removed, NOW.
The situation was, I had just killed lawn gnome, and I had a jolly good laugh at it, because, well, we love messing with each other. I was then engaged in combat with Beefy, Beeper, and a third person, when all of a sudden "LAWN GNOME Has somethin somethin somethin You're a leecher. You have 30 seconds to press M and prove your innocence, or you will be kicked." Lo and behold, while in combat with 3 people, I barely noticed the spammed Dark red text in the darkened alley way at night. I then proceeded to get kicked, losing my multiplier... There needs to be a different way to go about getting rid of leechers.
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reported as a leecher....press m....
I have an azerty keyboard.....where the fuck is m on a qwerty?????
You have been kicked...
FUUUUUUUU
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at least abuse of this feature should have serious consequences. It has been very fashionable lately - some idiot randomly accuses people while they are walking or fighting, preferably new players (or unknown alt chars of experienced players... ;-) ) and others where the aboozer assumes the person might just be unaware, miss the message scrolling by, and thus get kicked for fun and profit.
Also very fashionable: accusing players on the opponent team, like an archer on the wall they are too stupid or cowardly to get by normal means... lol
Some board-topping people were/are involved in this as well, obviously the greed for multiplier is closely related to the greed for kills.
I appreciate the work of the devs who introduced a way to get rid of leechers - but unfortunately right now one or two leech-accusation-spammers do more harm to the team and the whole game than 3 or 4 AKFers....
People who randomly accuse others of leeching should face at least the same consequences as someone who uses a construction site or breaks some other server rule: temp ban, then perm ban, then permanent perm ban...
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if you falsely accuse someone, your multi drops by 1.
if you are at 0 already, you get kicked.
also, every nomination is reported to the webserver, so we will filter out people abusing it.
give it a week and it will only be used as intended.
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reported as a leecher....press m....
I have an azerty keyboard.....where the fuck is m on a qwerty?????
You have been kicked...
FUUUUUUUU
+1 !!
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I say essay ban, 3000 words "Why I shouldnt abuse the report-tool" for everyone who abuses it
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Thar ye have it Hirlok. Thanks for the clarification and reply, chadz (Aka Chompy)
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if you falsely accuse someone, your multi drops by 1.
if you are at 0 already, you get kicked.
also, every nomination is reported to the webserver, so we will filter out people abusing it.
give it a week and it will only be used as intended.
the problem with the current penalty-for-false-accusations-system is:
as long as the accusation spammer succeeds often enough (many people do not read the chat, or miss the message while they are fighting), he makes a profit and will continue doing this shit.
Suggestion: no reward at all for accusing a leecher, but keep the penalties for false accusations. That will not stop the retards that try to decide fights with that method, but will make it less attractive for the greedy ones who are just after some quick extra multi...
2nd suggestion: make it more visible. Like the "Hurry, last spawn in .... " messages in DTV, so it is not scrolling by in the chat window, but flashing in the middle of the screen.
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Wow lawn gnome did that? That is low
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y i must say i had a lame encounter wiht this feature aswell, i realy had to go to the toilet and when i got back i was kicked i gues i should have mention it in chat or so but still...
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Same here in the middle of fight (in crucial moment - siege 30 sec till end) defending the gate against 2-3 enemies suddenly kicked for leeching. I didn't see text of the warning - I was preoccupied with the .... battle. So one more way to get rid of your opponents.
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reported as a leecher....press m....
I have an azerty keyboard.....where the fuck is m on a qwerty?????
You have been kicked...
FUUUUUUUU
I think it is the semi colon sign (";").
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Again same shit. I'm so frustrated about this. It was happen before 5 min. I was first on EU 5 siege server (first in list - a lot of kills) so some noob - his name is Sir_Kaylem_of_Wessex cant stand that I killed him - maybe a couple times, abused leecher tool and kicked me from game. This time I saw a message "You have 30 seconds to prove you are not a Leecher... press M" I press M but nothing happen - I'm kicked from game.
So nice job! Now every noob have a in game tool to kicked a good players from game.
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reported as a leecher....press m....
I have an azerty keyboard.....where the fuck is m on a qwerty?????
You have been kicked...
FUUUUUUUU
I think it is the semi colon sign (";").
Actually, it's the coma ",". Right next to the N on our azerty.
Same happened to me, i thought it was an admin asking me something, so i answered him "M M M, i'm stuck not leeching" on the chat, but still got kicked afterwards. Damn Rr guy. The worst is, there was an admin online at that moment. Could we make it that at least, once we're kicked of the server because of this "reportingleecher guy", there's a text showing up saying it. Else people just think you quit the game.
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I say essay ban, 3000 words "Why I shouldnt abuse the report-tool" for everyone who abuses it
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Suggestion: no reward at all for accusing a leecher, but keep the penalties for false accusations. That will not stop the retards that try to decide fights with that method, but will make it less attractive for the greedy ones who are just after some quick extra multi...
+1
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stuck in the net at buggy spawn at port assault, got reported by some moronic noob named neeshka , press m on my azerty keybord , got kicked while it was a sure win for my team (4 vs 21), lost X5
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :evil: :evil: :evil:
For god sakes remove the reward for reporting and temp ban people that abuse it
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lljk_grease_lightning just abused the tool , i didnt know what to do because i didnt see that i schould press M ... x5 down the drain
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The thread is becoming a "denounce those who abuse of the tool".
Then children can throw stones at them.
I like that.
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I report everyone I see that hasn't moved in ~30-45 seconds. I will continue to do so, regardless of the consequences. I don't do it for the multiplyer, I do it because leechers are useless to a team. In addition, leeching is against the rules of every server, so I feel like I'm doing my part to 'clean up the community'. If you've got to go take a piss, kiss your girlfriend goodbye, or anything else that causes you to miss the message drop to spectator.
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Me common answer is a kick poll then.
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never had a problem with that, got accused once, pressed M, accused twice-> multiplier increased, they were leeching..
even if you get kicked, just rejoin!
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I report everyone I see that hasn't moved in ~30-45 seconds. I will continue to do so, regardless of the consequences. I don't do it for the multiplyer, I do it because leechers are useless to a team. In addition, leeching is against the rules of every server, so I feel like I'm doing my part to 'clean up the community'. If you've got to go take a piss, kiss your girlfriend goodbye, or anything else that causes you to miss the message drop to spectator.
You are in the middle of the game, you get a phone call, you go spectator instantly and are back the following round. Enemy team wins with 2 remaining players. Or, you hide somewhere, get out 2 minutes before the round ends and make 2 kills. Not every leave is leeching.
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You are in the middle of the game, you get a phone call, you go spectator instantly and are back the following round. Enemy team wins with 2 remaining players. Or, you hide somewhere, get out 2 minutes before the round ends and make 2 kills. Not every leave is leeching.
Alternatively, you keep joining rounds for 10 minutes doing nothing but dying at the spawn because the call took longer than you thought. The hypothetical situations go both ways. Anyways, it's not like you can't press the 'm' key if you're sitting at your computer on the phone. However, I do admit that the message can get lost if you're fighting and should probably be a bit more conspicuous (but not have a sound associated with it). The only time it really should ever catch you is if you've alt tabbed, or aren't at your computer.
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I have a girlfiend, I piss, I do things that don't keep me always in front of the computer and I do miss some chat messages. However, every time someone accused me of leeching I was actually playing.
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greatest thing ever invented, of course people will abuse it, but think of the good it also does, it means we can get rid of those annoying fucking leechers who ruin sieges for us by taking up space and not helping the team at all.
KEEP THIS
don't care too much about the reward, but it is nice to get a multi for kicking leechers.
I got a x5 today on siege while on the losing team since so many people were raging and just decided to AFK at spawn instead of simply quitting or going spectator.
Leeching is a form of griefing, it's fucking annoying, I'm so happy to be able to fuck over those griefing fuckers.
I've never abused this, though I have had people try to use it on me whilst I was clearly NOT afk/leeching .. its not that hard to press M & walk away, usually they bugger off and go to find a new person to annoy.
Leechers are lame, admins aren't always on, please keep this function.
I don't care too much about the reward, I would still report leechers even if there was no reward.
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If there's a penalty for failed accusations, some people might find it funny to stand somewhere waiting for someone to report you, then hit m to see the other guy kicked.
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I have an idea for the leeching nomination tool:
If, after 1 minute (lapse of time for one XP tick), a player does not take any action (i.e. the server does not receive new commands from the keyboard), the server sends automatically a warning "press M otherwise be kicked..."
It should be easy to code this. Then no abuse from players and no need to scan the map looking for hidden leechers.
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I have an idea for the leeching nomination tool:
If, after 1 minute (lapse of time for one XP tick), a player does not take any action (i.e. the server does not receive new commands from the keyboard), the server sends automatically a warning "press M otherwise be kicked..."
It should be easy to code this. Then no abuse from players and no need to scan the map looking for hidden leechers.
don't i always check my forum when i play battle and i'm dead. this would ruin my activity on the forum and in-game!
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Best fix:
The leecher doesn't see the leech nomination, and instead of pressing 'm' the timer is disabled by taking any action at all.
That way you can't annoy people by spamming it, and people who are actually there are unaffected by it. Only true leechers would get kicked.
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While I despise how this feature is very often used I don't really care anymore. If some fool wants to accuse me of leeching because I didn't jump out of spawn immediately let him. Then I'll press 'm' and he'll lose a multiplier for being a greedy moron looking for a cheap shortcut to gold and experience. Oh yes your plan backfired loser. Please try again and I'll press 'm' again to further reduce your multiplier.
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It seems a much more elegant way to do this feature would be to simply kick anyone who hasn't done anything for 30 seconds.
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It seems a much more elegant way to do this feature would be to simply kick anyone who hasn't done anything for 30 seconds.
Hard to tell, what If I am cav player and waiting in hiding for the right moment to strike?
Or a berserker?
or whatever.
Moving will increase the chance of being detected.
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Hard to tell, what If I am cav player and waiting in hiding for the right moment to strike?
or whatever.
Moving will increase the chance of being detected.
Press 'm' and move on with your life, you obviously aren't in combat in any of those situations so it isn't being done to troll you. They think you're afk so they're reporting you.
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Ah, so he is suggesting you get auto reported every 30 seconds? (And thus have to press M )
I thougth he meant an auto kick every 30 sec.
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So Damug, u run around watching if people are moving instead of actually fighting and you call this: helping to clear out the community?
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I do use this feature occasionally i will admit, i try to use it for its purpose. If i see someon who is afk i will count to 60 then if they havent moved poll them. But then off course they move, i do not mind if they press m and i lose multi but it is upsetting when they do not notice and are kicked. Because im usually dead they cant hear if i tell them so they get kicked. I would say you should set the leacher key to like w if you could. I know this would be hard but if somone stoped being afk they would allways not be kicked. So if you removed the penalty and still gave people extra multipliers and removed the text warning it would work. Afkers would disapear quickly and people were are only gone for like 30 secs will be ok. :)
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So Damug, u run around watching if people are moving instead of actually fighting and you call this: helping to clear out the community?
When I'm in spectator, or when I'm on the walls defending and I can see people idling in the attackers spawn, or I see people in the attacker spawn when I'm an attacker for awhile. I don't take time out of my 'playing' to find them, they just stand out to me as people who look obviously afk.
Also, have you read the NA siege server rules? Most of the people that complain after I report them admit to leeching with something of along the lines of 'damnit can a man even get a drink/take a dump/tuck my children in for the night without being accused a leecher' when it plainly states in the server rules to drop to spectator when doing such things. The other people I report are kicked for leeching. I don't see a problem with what I'm doing. However, I will admit that there are people that use it to grief, and they should be dealt with accordingly.
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You can't really leech in cRPG, because you will gain gold and xp no matter if you are dead or alive.
I prefer to call it grinding. You can wear zero upkeep pesant gear, suicide attack every round from lvl 1 to lvl 31. That is hardcore grinding. Not leeching. Unless it is being done with the chat command, which would make it abusive grinding, which should be kickable if done repeatedly.
Most important is that players don't delay the round. Not to prevent people from appearing afk by forcing people to instantly move. Admins can ofc give a warning (and should) before they eventually kicks but you should never be kicked without a warning just because you appear to be afk. As several players have already said, it can be a good tactical choice to "wait" or if you are hiding, to stand still.
And sometimes you actually need to go afk for 20s...
So I think the 30s no movement rule is enough (but you should get auto kicked, not reported). You should however always be kicked as last man alive if you are standing still for more than...5s, without a warning.
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Ah, so he is suggesting you get auto reported every 30 seconds? (And thus have to press M )
I thougth he meant an auto kick every 30 sec.
No you were right, autokick every 30 seconds you do nothing. And I agree with you it's stupid, but it's better than having a huge red thing pop up in the middle of a fight telling you to press M or be kicked.
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You should however always be kicked as last man alive if you are standing still for more than...5s, without a warning.
1 man vs 5 cav. I think i'd stand in that archway for quite a time, and i don't think that a player should be kicked for doing so. I guess you could make the last man dance around, but if i can see the opponents i honestly prefer to stand stock still. It lets them know that no, i am no stupidly going to rush into your superior numbers with no backup, you come to me.
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I though it was a joke when I saw this message, while I was on a "killing spree". Does that Shogunate will kill him-self with his katana ?
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This same idiot polled me in middle of me being raped by group of enemies...the same as above in the screen
they probably try to disrupt your focus by popping an annoying message, and face it, if ur busy fighting, u have more chances you will miss the timewindow to press M ...
brand new low way how to try to get rid of good people, sucks...
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The funny thing about this is that my "M" key is a different one on my keyboard :o
That's why pushing M didn't work with me
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There should be a limit on how often you can use the report "feature" on a single target.
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There should be a limit on how often you can use the report "feature" on a single target.
more like during a round how many times total :D or on map, or something...
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If you get reported as a leecher and get killed , you can't press "m" , therefor you get kicked, lost your multiplier and the "****" who did it gets +1x multiplier
That needs to be fixed. I've seen people doing it in a fight, wishing to do "qml" and give the final blow without leaving time for the person to press "m" .. or on siege people do it to defenders all the time and if they die , the respawn time is greater than the 30 seconds delay to press "m" ...
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If you get reported as a leecher and get killed , you can't press "m" , therefor you get kicked, lost your multiplier and the "****" who did it gets +1x multiplier
That needs to be fixed. I've seen people doing it in a fight, wishing to do "qml" and give the final blow without leaving time for the person to press "m" .. or on siege people do it to defenders all the time and if they die , the respawn time is greater than the 30 seconds delay to press "m" ...
lol, that is sick...please, remove the feature for once, its making more harm than good.