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Off Topic => Spam => Topic started by: zagibu on October 06, 2013, 03:49:31 pm

Title: Is nothing something?
Post by: zagibu on October 06, 2013, 03:49:31 pm
The answer is no.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 06, 2013, 03:50:16 pm
less is more
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Post by: Miwiw on October 06, 2013, 04:13:57 pm
Nothing is something because if something is nothing while nothing is not something, then something may be nothing but on the other hand, if its really nothing but not something, it cannot be nothing = something.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 06, 2013, 04:26:37 pm
i consider myself a philosopher too

How much wood, could a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 04:34:51 pm
What's the timeframe?
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Post by: Tibe on October 06, 2013, 04:37:49 pm
Is something nothing?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Radament on October 06, 2013, 04:38:54 pm
z(r)=sqrt(R3 / 2M) [sqrt(1 - (1 - (2M / R)))] + sqrt(8M (r - 2M)) - sqrt(8m (R - 2M)) for r >= R
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Fredom on October 06, 2013, 05:02:41 pm
lol?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 06, 2013, 05:41:48 pm
Then explain how the 'Big Bang' came about.

If there was nothing before the Big Bang as scientists say then the Big Bang could not have happened. Therefore there something=nothing and nothing=something

Within a state of nothingness there is always something, there can never be nothing there always has to be something.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 05:54:44 pm
There is no "before" the Big Bang.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 06, 2013, 06:01:03 pm
There is no "before" the Big Bang.

There had to have been something otherwise it would not have happened.

You cannot suddenly have creation without something causing it. Therefore there was a before but we just don't what it was. Scientists call it 'nothing' but that nothing was something.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 06:13:03 pm
There had to have been something otherwise it would not have happened.

You cannot suddenly have creation without something causing it. Therefore there was a before but we just don't what it was. Scientists call it 'nothing' but that nothing was something.

There was never a pre-existing emptiness into which our universe exploded.  There is just this timeless mathematical object, time existing within it; and the object has a natural boundary at the Big Bang.  You cannot ask "When did this mathematical object come into existence?" because there is no t outside it.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on October 06, 2013, 06:17:16 pm
There was never a pre-existing emptiness into which our universe exploded.  There is just this timeless mathematical object, time existing within it; and the object has a natural boundary at the Big Bang.  You cannot ask "When did this mathematical object come into existence?" because there is no t outside it.

If time existed within it then it's not nothingness. Time is something therefore this nothingess or timeless mathematical object still occupied your state of emptiness
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 06:17:59 pm
If time existed within it then it's not nothingness. Time is something therefore this nothingess or timeless mathematical object still occupied your state of emptiness
Yes, after the Big Bang.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Miwiw on October 06, 2013, 06:52:24 pm
The Big Donkey farted and that was the Big Bang.
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Post by: Fredom on October 06, 2013, 06:58:01 pm
Nothing is something and something is nothing  :D
Problem solved now? :P
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: zagibu on October 06, 2013, 07:12:07 pm
Nothing is something because if something is nothing while nothing is not something, then something may be nothing but on the other hand, if its really nothing but not something, it cannot be nothing = something.

Good then that something is not nothing.

Is something nothing?

No.

Nothing is something and something is nothing  :D
Problem solved now? :P

No, what you said is wrong.

Then explain how the 'Big Bang' came about.

If there was nothing before the Big Bang as scientists say then the Big Bang could not have happened. Therefore there something=nothing and nothing=something

Within a state of nothingness there is always something, there can never be nothing there always has to be something.

This is irrelevant for deciding whether nothing is something. And you are right, that there can be never nothing, because "to be" implies existence, which implies "something". However, the "thing" in nothing is actually referring to the context in which nothing is used, so if somebody says "i did nothing", it means he did not do any action that could have affected the case in question, or if somebody says "there is nothing inside", it means that the thing he was looking for is not inside.

Pure nothingness exists only as a concept, and it isn't terribly useful, because other than a name, it has obviously no properties.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on October 06, 2013, 07:26:38 pm
ur fat mom was der b4 the big bang

rekt
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Post by: Kafein on October 06, 2013, 07:51:25 pm
Arguing over ill-defined words. How philosophical.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 06, 2013, 07:56:08 pm
Arguing over ill-defined words. How philosophical.
Argue about this instead:

"I think, therefore I am"

This true or not?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Kafein on October 06, 2013, 07:59:29 pm
Argue about this instead:

"I think, therefore I am"

This true or not?

The issue resides in what you mean by each word in that sentence except "therefore".
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 08:01:54 pm
Here's a more interesting one:

Does free will exist?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Kafein on October 06, 2013, 08:06:10 pm
Here's a more interesting one:

Does free will exist?

Free will of what ? We are all biological robots, following a very intricate "program". It doesn't mean we don't make any decisions, it means our decision process can be replicated and simulated. Even shorter : we have no souls.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 08:07:29 pm
Going a level beyond again, why is there always a space before your question marks?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Kafein on October 06, 2013, 08:09:23 pm
Going a level beyond again, why is there always a space before your question marks?

Because to the best of my knowledge, it's how it's done in French, it's how I learned it, and it's a hell of a lot more pleasing to the eye.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Christo on October 06, 2013, 08:14:48 pm
Here we go again
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Post by: Xant on October 06, 2013, 08:15:06 pm
and it's a hell of a lot more pleasing to the eye.
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Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Rumblood on October 06, 2013, 08:35:33 pm
Nothing is something if nothing other than a concept. Without it we would not have modern mathematics.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: zagibu on October 07, 2013, 03:00:19 am
Nothing is something if nothing other than a concept. Without it we would not have modern mathematics.

No, that's an explanation of nothing, it isn't nothing itself. The funny thing is, you can't even talk about nothing, because you don't talk, then. Which is why we aren't discussing nothing itself, but comparing it to things. Which also doesn't make sense, of course, but some people in here seem to disagree.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Kafein on October 07, 2013, 12:30:04 pm
The idea of nothing is something because it is an idea. However, nothing itself is not an idea because an idea is not nothing. We only think through things that our brains are capable of understanding. When you use "zero" or write "0" in arithmetics, it's just a symbol you are writing, it's not even the concept of zero and it's certainly not nothing. You could do arithmetics only though writing symbols and applying equivalence rules without understanding numeric values. It happens that most of us understand what is in common between two dogs and two apples so we do understand numbers and we have associated symbols that are now extremely familiar to them. But mathematical operations are defined over the symbols, not the meanings. Exactly like how our modes of thinking operate over the concepts and not the things, which is the reason why it is so tempting to consider nothing and the idea of nothing to be the same. By the way I love making postmodern structuralist fanboi cringe.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: BarBeQ on October 07, 2013, 02:08:31 pm
nothing is something but something is not nothing.

strawberries and bananas are fruits. But a strawberry is not an banana.

money and gold are valueable. However money is not gold. But gold is money.

Hope this helped ^^
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 07, 2013, 02:15:11 pm
it's good you bolded and underlined "not" or i might have thought something is nothing
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Son Of Odin on October 07, 2013, 07:25:21 pm
What happens if Pinocchio says "my nose will grow now"?
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Xant on October 07, 2013, 07:28:26 pm
His nose grows.
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Post by: Utrakil on October 07, 2013, 07:38:19 pm
What happens if Pinocchio says "my nose will grow now"?
It depends whether he thinks it is going to happen or not.
Because lying requires that you know you are stating something that is not true.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: zagibu on October 08, 2013, 12:33:25 am
nothing is something but something is not nothing.

strawberries and bananas are fruits. But a strawberry is not an banana.

money and gold are valueable. However money is not gold. But gold is money.

Hope this helped ^^

It didn't help, because it's wrong. Nothing is not something.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 08, 2013, 01:40:48 am
Nothing is


Yeah, thats right.
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Post by: Bjord on October 08, 2013, 01:49:04 am
Nothing is the notion of lacking something, therefore nothing is nothing.
Title: Re: Is nothing something?
Post by: BASNAK on October 08, 2013, 07:44:06 am
Before the big bang came the big foreplay.