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Title: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Osiris on September 03, 2013, 10:30:59 pm
http://news.sky.com/story/1136523/rapist-discovers-his-victim-had-hiv

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A jailed rapist will discover this week whether he contracted HIV from his victim.

Richard Thomas, 27, collapsed when police informed him about his victim's medical status and is still waiting to hear if he has contracted the virus.

Thomas knew the woman and was aware that she has another illness but had not known about the HIV.

He was shocked when he was told and asked to be taken to hospital, Liverpool Crown Court heard.

He had let himself into her home in Leigh, Greater Manchester, uninvited in the middle of the night and she awoke to find him raping her from behind.

"She froze and no words were exchanged. He pulled up his shorts and left," said Harry Pepper, prosecuting.


HIV for rape? sounds like he gets what he deserves :D
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Miwiw on September 03, 2013, 10:32:16 pm
Women's evil plan!
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Torben on September 03, 2013, 10:34:46 pm
hopefully he gets his cock cut off, imagine an HIV positive rapist roaming the streets. or just kill him straight away.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Lennu on September 03, 2013, 10:37:35 pm
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 03, 2013, 11:21:26 pm
Always wear protection before you rape
Trust me, I put the rapist in therapist
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Rumblood on September 03, 2013, 11:39:25 pm
hopefully he gets his cock cut off, imagine an HIV positive rapist roaming the streets. or just kill him straight away.

Oh, but that would be inhumane  :rolleyes:

You know, I would be all for castration for a rape conviction, except I have seen too often where a woman claims rape because she didn't want to get in trouble herself with a husband or boyfriend she cheated on, or parents found out, or she wants to hide behind her heavy drinking that led to her consenting, etc.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 03, 2013, 11:43:02 pm
^

Women accusing men of rape is a fairly incentivized option compared to the alternatives for a lot of women without scruples in the right situation.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Torben on September 03, 2013, 11:54:07 pm
^

Women accusing men of rape is a fairly incentivized option compared to the alternatives for a lot of women without scruples in the right situation.

which ofc doesnt help the wrongfully accused man that gets his testicles amputated ^^

nah but ofc my statement above was considering a clear state of investigation.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Scervo on September 03, 2013, 11:55:42 pm
They're already suffering by spending time in jail if they get caught, plus its preventing them from doing it to anyone else while they're in there (unless youre talking about prison rape, which is more of an issue with the prison system than the sentence). Cutting their dick off too isn't gonna undo the emotional issues that it causes for the victim, so castration as a punishment would kinda just be arbitrary cruelty.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Miwiw on September 03, 2013, 11:57:40 pm
Great, castration of a man.. Great plan. A direct death would be much better imo. Better be dead than not even half a man. After all you will be alive shortly after again. :P
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Torben on September 04, 2013, 12:02:20 am
They're already suffering by spending time in jail if they get caught, plus its preventing them from doing it to anyone else while they're in there (unless youre talking about prison rape, which is more of an issue with the prison system than the sentence). Cutting their dick off too isn't gonna undo the emotional issues that it causes for the victim, so castration as a punishment would kinda just be arbitrary cruelty.

violent rape is a form of savagery that cannot be cured,  and a short stay in prison wont help the women and children in peril after the criminal is back in the streets.

germany is especially soft on rapists,  and it happens way too often that childrapists after extensive therapy come free and rape a child within weeks.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Scervo on September 04, 2013, 12:29:53 am
If someone isn't suitable to be back out in society without committing the same crime again, keep them in prison while treating them mentally until they're stable enough not to; if they never reach that point, don't release them. Imo, they need mental help, not physical punishment. Their dick doesn't make the decision to rape someone, their mind does.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nehvar on September 04, 2013, 01:42:55 am
It would be absolutely hilarious if he does indeed contract HIV.  To top it off he won't get any sympathy from anyone...though I guess it will probably save him from being raped in prison.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 04, 2013, 01:50:28 am
..though I guess it will probably save him from being raped in prison.

Idk, I guess some of those lifers think they got nothing to lose
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: AntiBlitz on September 04, 2013, 02:21:44 am
Oh, but that would be inhumane  :rolleyes:

You know, I would be all for castration for a rape conviction, except I have seen too often where a woman claims rape because she didn't want to get in trouble herself with a husband or boyfriend she cheated on, or parents found out, or she wants to hide behind her heavy drinking that led to her consenting, etc.

I wanna say it was Russia that i read was sterilizing sex offenders before reintegrating them into society, though im not sure, as this was a controversy almost a year or 2 ago.



EDIT: yep was right in 2011 Russia approved chemical castration by injecting sex offenders with a drug which would sterilize them as well as lower their sex drives

"In October 2011, Russia parliament approved a law that allows a court-requested forensic psychiatrist to prescribe the chemical castration of convicted sex offenders who have attacked children under the age of 14."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Rumblood on September 04, 2013, 03:20:09 am
I wanna say it was Russia that i read was sterilizing sex offenders before reintegrating them into society, though im not sure, as this was a controversy almost a year or 2 ago.



EDIT: yep was right in 2011 Russia approved chemical castration by injecting sex offenders with a drug which would sterilize them as well as lower their sex drives

"In October 2011, Russia parliament approved a law that allows a court-requested forensic psychiatrist to prescribe the chemical castration of convicted sex offenders who have attacked children under the age of 14."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

I can't disagree with that decision, other than it shouldn't be in a "His word vs her word" situation. Even DNA doesn't count in deciding whether someone was raped or not. It needs to be a slam dunk, no doubt, the mother fucker did it. Then cut his balls off because I have no sympathy for a bastard like that.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 04, 2013, 04:29:19 am
Ultimate punishment?

Make him cut his own balls off
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on September 04, 2013, 07:18:39 am
Rapists deserve justice. The only justice there is for a rapist is death though. Once guilt is proven they should simply be shot in the head and burried. That way they dont cost so much money.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Panos_ on September 04, 2013, 07:43:32 am
Rapists, child molesters and drug lords should all be killed without any second though.

Can I add communists to that list aswell ??  :twisted:

Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Lars on September 04, 2013, 08:21:17 am
Rapists deserve justice. The only justice there is for a rapist is death though. Once guilt is proven they should simply be shot in the head and burried. That way they dont cost so much money.


I agree, but let's assume that  a rapist gets the death penalty, and later on after his death, new proofs show that he is completely innocent. If you put in jail an innocent(by mistake) you can always release him, but once you kill someone that later is proven to be innocent, well it's too late, you can't fix yor mistake.
I would be pro death penalty if the justice system was perfect, but nothing is,  sometimes  innocent people are jailed/accused of crimes they didn't commit. 

Btw don't get me wrong, i consider rape to be one of the worst crime, that cannot be justified in any way, i mean you can kill someone by mistake, in an accident, self-defence etc.., but you can't possibly rape someone  by mistake.   



Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Vibe on September 04, 2013, 08:44:59 am
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He had let himself into her home in Leigh, Greater Manchester, uninvited in the middle of the night and she awoke to find him raping her from behind.

"She froze and no words were exchanged. He pulled up his shorts and left," said Harry Pepper, prosecuting.

Lol, anyone paused a bit here when reading this? The subtletly of this rapist is amazing. Also, "no words were exchanged". Did she not say "no"? Does it still count as a rape then.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Molly on September 04, 2013, 10:54:40 am
Lol, anyone paused a bit here when reading this? The subtletly of this rapist is amazing. Also, "no words were exchanged". Did she not say "no"? Does it still count as a rape then.
I was wondering the same thing. Sounds like she wasn't even awake when he started. I am in no way defending the guy and/or blaming the woman but... there is this "but".
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: [ptx] on September 04, 2013, 11:06:37 am
The word "froze" is the key. I guess she was just too shocked to do anything.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Vibe on September 04, 2013, 11:16:06 am
no no no rape
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on September 04, 2013, 12:04:26 pm
Regardless of this one case... once it is certain that the guy is guilty. Boom - Headshot.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: zagibu on September 04, 2013, 02:05:21 pm
And when would it ever be certain? I'm sure you can get a confession out of him, if we go over to the nice thread about torture we had a few days ago.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Grumpy_Nic on September 04, 2013, 02:13:25 pm
Bohoo! When is anything ever certain? Has history ever happened? If nobody listens does a falling tree make a sound?
Guilt can be proven, from time to time somebody screws up and these cases get popular because somebody was put in jail for wrong, just because you heard of 2 or 3 doesnt mean a rape is always a vague thing.

Boom.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Paul on September 04, 2013, 02:39:18 pm
I hope you never get to vote.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Prpavi on September 04, 2013, 02:51:04 pm
Bohoo! When is anything ever certain? Has history ever happened? If nobody listens does a falling tree make a sound?
Guilt can be proven, from time to time somebody screws up and these cases get popular because somebody was put in jail for wrong, just because you heard of 2 or 3 doesnt mean a rape is always a vague thing.

Boom.

You make it seem that the people who defend equal justice for all in this thread are also defending the rapist.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on September 04, 2013, 03:03:36 pm
Hmm.. What about other violent crimes?.. If rapist deserves to be "shot" or "sterilized", how would you punish someone who kicks other person's face to a pulp?.. 2-3 year in jail? As i imagine, it is in most EU counties, or should that person be shot too? or be sentenced to getting hands chopped off? Don't see any logic here. 
 
There was a Greek king, back in the days, who would punish almost every crime with death penalty. So when he was confronted with a question about the equal severity of punishment for stealing a bottle of wine and murder, he said something like this: "Stealing deserves death. And i could not come up with anything more severe for murder".
 
That's medieval thinking. Emotions, heated up by culture and tradition. F.ex. if you slam a certain religious text in pig feces, you might get stoned to death in some countries... Ridiculous, right?
 
Remember this guy? Pretty sure rape is not such a big deal in Congo.
 
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I am not defending rape in any way or form, but there is a big difference in "severity" of the act...
A guy meets a girl in a pub, they get drunk, they fuck at her place, and in few days time, her daddy finds a pair of male socks under her bad - she claims rape, as her daddy will not buy a new iPhone for a slutty daughter. The "rapist" gets a chemical sterilization, or a needle. A realistic case, i presume...
 
Personally, i would send all violent crime offenders to labor camps, so they can use their excessive negative energy on cutting trees and such. Unfortunately, this sort of "slave labor" is not economically efficient in the well developed countries. :( But i don't see why a rape should be punished with death, while if you spit, piss, shit, humiliate and beat someone unconscious, while filming it on camera - you get a punishment ranging from 100 Euro fine, to 1 year in prison MAX. That is retarded!
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Paul on September 04, 2013, 03:45:12 pm
There is another point to it. If you punish murder and rape equally, be it death or life sentence, what reason should the rapist have to leave his victim alive? He will have higher chances to escape if he leaves no witnesses.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Miwiw on September 04, 2013, 04:03:03 pm
Shouldn't he do that anyway if he was any clever?
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 04, 2013, 04:20:41 pm
Shouldn't he do that anyway if he was any clever?
You're actually more likely to be caught if you kill someone, so no.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 04, 2013, 04:45:53 pm
Regardless of this one case... once it is certain that the guy is guilty. Boom - Headshot.

rape is a bit overreated crime, i agree it is really bad and it must be traumatic for the victim [or maybe not, getting girl drunk and then having sex with her is not something uncommon], but there are worse crimes. death penalty for that? ridiculous...
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 04, 2013, 04:59:24 pm
rape is a bit overreated crime, i agree it is really bad and it must be traumatic for the victim [or maybe not, getting girl drunk and then having sex with her is not something uncommon], but there are worse crimes. death penalty for that? ridiculous...
http://alyssaroyse.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/life-after-rape/
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 04, 2013, 06:22:43 pm
Just to provide a different perspective than what we hear in our news media...

The gender bias of people speaking about rape is so obvious in our culture.

You always hear "as soon as we're sure the guy did/didn't do it..." ; never "as soon as we're sure the person did/didn't do it...."

Studies show that male-on-male and female-on-male rape is INCREDIBLY unreported and unhandled, and that our legal and forensic systems are hardly prepared to accept cases of them because of our sociocultural bias towards rape. When a man is raped he doesn't just have to deal with the (already crippling) act of being raped, but he also has to struggle with his mental image as a man, and with the backlash from society that one of the following must apply to him; he was overpowered and thus his gender role of being "strong" is challenged and he is most likely emasculated, he could not possibly be raped because men are not capable of denying consent, et cetera.

Not the most critical perspective to take on rape, but it is an important bias of ours to consider when talking about rape. So often rape is kept in such a narrow discussion in our mainstream media.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 04, 2013, 06:25:10 pm
Well if you're a man and you're raped by a woman and you don't have some kind of a full body paralysis, then it's time to, as they say, man up. By watching Courage Wolf videos or something.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Prpavi on September 04, 2013, 08:15:03 pm
Just to provide a different perspective than what we hear in our news media...

The gender bias of people speaking about rape is so obvious in our culture.

You always hear "as soon as we're sure the guy did/didn't do it..." ; never "as soon as we're sure the person did/didn't do it...."

Studies show that male-on-male and female-on-male rape is INCREDIBLY unreported and unhandled, and that our legal and forensic systems are hardly prepared to accept cases of them because of our sociocultural bias towards rape. When a man is raped he doesn't just have to deal with the (already crippling) act of being raped, but he also has to struggle with his mental image as a man, and with the backlash from society that one of the following must apply to him; he was overpowered and thus his gender role of being "strong" is challenged and he is most likely emasculated, he could not possibly be raped because men are not capable of denying consent, et cetera.

Not the most critical perspective to take on rape, but it is an important bias of ours to consider when talking about rape. So often rape is kept in such a narrow discussion in our mainstream media.

Fair point but you u must agree a man is much more difficult to rape especially if we're talking about normal male to female penetration, anal rape is another story though. Our penis plays a huge roll in this problem you mentioned, where in consentual regular intercourse basically a man decides will there be one or not, no erection no penetration, so I guess in allot of peoples mind is hey he was arroused so how could it be rape.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 04, 2013, 08:51:58 pm
Well if you're a man and you're raped by a woman and you don't have some kind of a full body paralysis, then it's time to, as they say, man up. By watching Courage Wolf videos or something.

what do we need to say to women? woman up? :D
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Kafein on September 04, 2013, 09:02:55 pm
but you can't possibly rape someone  by mistake.

"sorry, wrong vagina"
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 04, 2013, 09:35:44 pm
what do we need to say to women? woman up? :D
No, to women we say thusly: report it to the authorities.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Bjord on September 04, 2013, 10:52:54 pm
No, to women we say thusly: report it to the authorities.

Okay, Xant. Report it to the authorities.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Scervo on September 05, 2013, 12:43:03 am
Well if you're a man and you're raped by a woman and you don't have some kind of a full body paralysis, then it's time to, as they say, man up.

Physically overpowering someone isn't the only way (or even the most common way) to rape someone. If you're drugged and unconscious, or they're blackmailing you into it, or you're a small child, then it doesn't matter how "manly" you are. It's not really a matter of being able to fight them off. Plus, even in those cases there are women who are stronger than men, its not like men are universally more powerful.

a man decides will there be one or not, no erection no penetration, so I guess in allot of peoples mind is hey he was arroused so how could it be rape.

False, just because you don't want it mentally does not mean you won't get an erection from the physical stimulation. Your sensory nerves don't just shut off when you don't want it. The emotional side of sex definitely adds to the experience (or can negatively take away from it), but it is possible to have an orgasm even when you don't want it mentally. In fact, a lot of rape victims struggle with this because they feel guilty for having an orgasm. Erection/Orgasm/Etc. does not mean they're mentally enjoying it.


I would +1 Daruvian's post but I don't have enough forum posts to vote =P
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Miwiw on September 05, 2013, 12:48:19 am
I don't think you could ignore being milked as man at all. Would consider it being "some kind of rape" then.  :P
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Bjord on September 05, 2013, 12:58:46 am
Most people on this forum are here because of cRPG, not for intelligent discussion. This thread makes it painfully obvious.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 05, 2013, 02:03:26 am
As a nurse-in-training who has already taken the great bulk of my core anatomical, physiological, microbiological, etc classes, I can say for certain that the male erection is just as involuntary as the female's production of lubrication.

If you insist that an erection constitutes consent then you are stupid.

That is the bottom line.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2013, 08:53:08 am
Physically overpowering someone isn't the only way (or even the most common way) to rape someone. If you're drugged and unconscious, or they're blackmailing you into it, or you're a small child, then it doesn't matter how "manly" you are. It's not really a matter of being able to fight them off. Plus, even in those cases there are women who are stronger than men, its not like men are universally more powerful.


I would +1 Daruvian's post but I don't have enough forum posts to vote =P
Pay attention to your surroundings, don't get drugged. Manly men do not get blackmailed. Small children are not called men.

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Plus, even in those cases there are women who are stronger than men, its not like men are universally more powerful.
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Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on September 05, 2013, 09:13:50 am
Plus, even in those cases there are women who are stronger than men, its not like men are universally more powerful.

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Well, my wife is over 180 cm, about 70-75 kg, doing crossfit 2-3 times a week, + conditional training, + weightlifting with trainer few times a month: i bet she can lift and throw most of cRPG players :D I sometimes wonder if she could knock me out, if she would get pissed off enough :) I hope i will never find out...
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Molly on September 05, 2013, 09:34:30 am
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Well, my wife is over 180 cm, about 70-75 kg, doing crossfit 2-3 times a week, + conditional training, + weightlifting with trainer few times a month: i bet she can lift and throw most of cRPG players :D I sometimes wonder if she could knock me out, if she would get pissed off enough :) I hope i will never find out...
Maybe your wife could teach Xant a well needed lesson... :D
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 05, 2013, 09:56:35 am
Maybe if she gets divorced from Armpit first.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Prpavi on September 05, 2013, 10:22:48 am
As a nurse-in-training who has already taken the great bulk of my core anatomical, physiological, microbiological, etc classes, I can say for certain that the male erection is just as involuntary as the female's production of lubrication.

If you insist that an erection constitutes consent then you are stupid.

That is the bottom line.

It doesn't and that is the problem with male rape you mentioned before, it's the perception of: it's up he wants it.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: zagibu on September 05, 2013, 10:15:41 pm
Well, for most men, this is true, since the penis is really their center of command.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 05, 2013, 10:41:14 pm
Well, for most men, this is true, since the penis is really their center of command.

think through your brain, not your dick, thats some important advice

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Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Scervo on September 05, 2013, 11:33:36 pm
Pay attention to your surroundings, don't get drugged. Manly men do not get blackmailed. Small children are not called men.

I really hope this is sattire...


Also, I apologize Prpavi, I misinterpreted you, I thought you were saying that it was a definite sign of consent, when you were really just pointing out that some people perceive it as that.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Prpavi on September 05, 2013, 11:47:50 pm
I really hope this is sattire...


Also, I apologize Prpavi, I misinterpreted you, I thought you were saying that it was a definite sign of consent, when you were really just pointing out that some people perceive it as that.

No harm done, all good  :wink:
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Bulzur on September 06, 2013, 12:33:06 am
I'm just curious to know if the health care of the rapist actually takes in charge his HIV test.

I do know i'm just an easily angry person, when in comes to thoses kind of situations, so i know my attitude is always "a bit too much".
But i really don't get all the "life in prison" is already a big punishment. If you're talking about 5 years or more, then okay.

If it's less, you might consider it as a "free of charge" place, where people give you a room with a roof and a bed to sleep in, feed you everyday, do health checks on you, and sometimes even give you free consultation of a therapist. They can go jogging outside, are allowed to read books too. Would you really consider that an "horrible" life ? He really deserved that "punishment".

Something is just wrong with the system of the state "paying" to TRY to bring the citizen back in the right side. Wich... often fails.
Just, the poor person had a difficult childhood, you need to give him another chance. What ? He's already been here three times already ? Well... still deserves another chance.


What's up with the "life-long emprisonment" too... do you realize how much it costs...


So yes, there's been cases of criminals wrongfully accused, and allowed to go free after years of prison. How many does that represent ? Should we have a more tolerant prison just because "sometimes" justice does mistake ? So everytime you'll condamn someone, you'll always think : "what if he's innocent, then we better treat him well".


I recently re-read "World War Z", the book full of testimony. What's funny and accurate, is that the president decided to bring back public corporeal punishment, for even thiefs.
Why , because they didn't have the ressources to keep prison.

But do we ?




Back to OP : Yes, i admit feeling very hapy when i see thoses kind of texts. Definitely guilty people actually getting "punished" for what they have done, BECAUSE of what they have done. If he hadn't raped her, he wouldn't have been through all that. Feels right. Right back at you, rapist !
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: zagibu on September 06, 2013, 12:47:32 am
I'm just curious to know if the health care of the rapist actually takes in charge his HIV test.

I do know i'm just an easily angry person, when in comes to thoses kind of situations, so i know my attitude is always "a bit too much".
But i really don't get all the "life in prison" is already a big punishment. If you're talking about 5 years or more, then okay.

If it's less, you might consider it as a "free of charge" place, where people give you a room with a roof and a bed to sleep in, feed you everyday, do health checks on you, and sometimes even give you free consultation of a therapist. They can go jogging outside, are allowed to read books too. Would you really consider that an "horrible" life ? He really deserved that "punishment".

Something is just wrong with the system of the state "paying" to TRY to bring the citizen back in the right side. Wich... often fails.
Just, the poor person had a difficult childhood, you need to give him another chance. What ? He's already been here three times already ? Well... still deserves another chance.


What's up with the "life-long emprisonment" too... do you realize how much it costs...


So yes, there's been cases of criminals wrongfully accused, and allowed to go free after years of prison. How many does that represent ? Should we have a more tolerant prison just because "sometimes" justice does mistake ? So everytime you'll condamn someone, you'll always think : "what if he's innocent, then we better treat him well".


I recently re-read "World War Z", the book full of testimony. What's funny and accurate, is that the president decided to bring back public corporeal punishment, for even thiefs.
Why , Becuase they didn't have the ressources to keep prison.

But do we ?


Back to OP : Yes, i admit feeling very hapy when i see thoses kind of texts. Definitely guilty people actually getting "punished" for what they have done, BECAUSE of what they have done. If he hadn't raped her, he wouldn't have been through all that. Feels right. Right back at you, rapist !

I have been in prison for three days, and I can tell you, that I was glad I could leave afterwards. It was a very pleasant prison, btw, only the facility for investigative custody, because it was only a minor military disciplinary punishment (which they delayed long enough that I had to go to prison in civil, because the service was over by then).
It's very easy for someone who has never been there to dismiss it as a short holiday of sorts, but psychologically, it's actually quite tough, if you are used to freedom. Because this is what they take away from you. Your freedom. Everything is decided for you, and whatever you want to do, it doesn't matter, because you can't. Also, the boredom makes you insane. On the morning of the third day I seriously considered storming out when they brought the food, just to see what would happen, because I was bored to death.

I really pity anyone that has to go to prison for more than a week, and I would probably hang myself after a month at the latest.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Sir_Hans on September 06, 2013, 04:18:54 am
It's all perspective... To someone who has income, a steady job, and a worthwhile life, prison is terrible of course.

But when you are a gangbanger who lives on the street and fails daily at hustling or making any kind of income... only to never have enough money for food and shelter. It's like a vacation.
They get 3 meals a day, workout equipment, a roof over their head, even leadership and mentors, most include television in your cell, plus running toilets, heating/ac, and clean clothes... best of all  they don't have any responsibilities.

In the states we have very lax prisons... if you are in with one of the major groups of whichever prison you happen to land in, you are in no danger and you meet a bunch of friends.

I wish we would bring back chain gangs and use our prisoners as labor or sell prisoners to china, so china can work them in hard labor or at least send them to russia, so russia prisoners can scare them straight... costs around 100k annually for each prisoner in max security prisons. Ridiculous... 100k!!! Majority of Americans will never make 100k in a year in their entire life.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Shik on September 06, 2013, 04:54:49 am
ITT: male circlejerk acting as if false rape reports are actually a common occurrence

just add a healthy dose of victim blaming and "oppression towards males" and you get your typical male discussion on rape
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on September 06, 2013, 05:04:22 am
ITT: White male circlejerk acting as if false rape reports are actually a common occurrence

just add a healthy dose of victim blaming and "oppression towards white males" and you get your typical white male discussion on rape
ftfy
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 06, 2013, 06:00:54 am
http://news.sky.com/story/1136523/rapist-discovers-his-victim-had-hiv

Worst meet n fuck ever
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 06, 2013, 08:32:20 am
ftfy
yes, black and latino male discussions on rape are SO much better
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: darmaster on September 06, 2013, 02:11:21 pm
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 :l
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on September 06, 2013, 02:49:16 pm
Prison might be "giving another chance" in countries like Norway, and only for Norwegians ( a mildly racist statement, but i am willing to cross that line in regards to criminals )

As for the rest of the world, it does not help anyone to become a better person, prison is only there to isolate a person from society. Not punish them as such, but to remove them.

A labor camp would be nice, as i do not see any moral objections to forcing someone to work for their food. But! Labor camps will not work in a developed country, as logistics and security alone, would consume any possible profits from such an unproductive activity, as forced labor... If you can make profit from it - you would make many times more profit using ordinary citizens.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Miwiw on September 06, 2013, 02:52:54 pm
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That's really funny  :lol:
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Prpavi on September 06, 2013, 03:15:16 pm
ITT: male circlejerk acting as if false rape reports are actually a common occurrence

just add a healthy dose of victim blaming and "oppression towards males" and you get your typical male discussion on rape

Rape is disgusting in any way, shape or form! We were just discussing proving guilt and the fact nobody ever mentions male rape as a problem.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 06, 2013, 09:48:47 pm
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 :l

any woman that would use this would get her head ripped off for sure, not to mention the rape would have to be expected.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on September 06, 2013, 11:56:04 pm
you know what i dont understand?

you know in like the movies and shit, theres a rape scene, and the guy tried to have oral sex
so hes all like "you bite and you die"

im pretty sure that if a woman bite down HARD on his dick (and maybe even balls) he would be in soo much pain, that he would be lying on the fucking ground

anyway, just wanted to share that thought
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: darmaster on September 07, 2013, 12:53:57 am
any woman that would use this would get her head ripped off for sure, not to mention the rape would have to be expected.

head ripped off? i think the, let's call him "reaper" will surely be more busy with the plastic teeth in his dick than ripping off heads. also you can get people aware these things are around and make them think twice before raping p:

it's like dressing up; "got my shirt, my pants, my glasses.. i think i forgot something.. oh yes, my rapex!"

no, honestly i have no clue if this shit would work or not, still i believe this thing is freaking scary  :?
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Scervo on September 07, 2013, 12:58:56 am
im pretty sure that if a woman bite down HARD on his dick (and maybe even balls) he would be in soo much pain, that he would be lying on the fucking ground

yes he would be in pain, but he would probably just bash her skull in rather than falling on the ground.

it does not help anyone to become a better person, prison is only there to isolate a person from society. Not punish them as such, but to remove them.

this is the problem; we cant keep everyone locked up forever, so why would you release someone in (often) worse condition than before rather than trying to help them and make them a safer person to inject back into society?

But when you are a gangbanger who lives on the street and fails daily at hustling or making any kind of income... only to never have enough money for food and shelter. It's like a vacation.

an extremely miserable "vacation" that you cant really come back to a normal lifestyle after. Consider this situation: Someone goes to jail for 20 years. He gets out of jail, now he doesn't understand half of whats going on in the world because hes been isolated from it, hes no longer capable of working whatever job he was trained for because hes been out of practice for so long and his education in the area is probably outdated, plus he has on his record that hes a convict, so nobody will hire him for a job. Unless he already had money before, he probably can't really afford to get a good education either. If he does manage to, well unemployment is pretty high, everyones looking for a job, so why would they hire an ex-convict when they can hire someone else whos perfectly capable? No one really wants to house an ex-convict either, so charity options are pretty limited too. He has very limited options for survival now, so in many cases falling back on crime is the only way they know how to.

you might consider it as a "free of charge" place

its not free, they're paying with their lives. You're basically losing several years or all of your life that you can't get back.

I recently re-read "World War Z", the book full of testimony. What's funny and accurate, is that the president decided to bring back public corporeal punishment, for even thiefs.
Why , because they didn't have the ressources to keep prison.

So your best argument for why we should execute all criminals is that they did it in a fictional book about a zombie apocalypse? I don't even know what to say to that. You want to kill real people because they did it in a book. A book. A fictional book. About zombies.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 07, 2013, 11:26:05 am
head ripped off? i think the, let's call him "reaper" will surely be more busy with the plastic teeth in his dick than ripping off heads. also you can get people aware these things are around and make them think twice before raping p:

it's like dressing up; "got my shirt, my pants, my glasses.. i think i forgot something.. oh yes, my rapex!"

no, honestly i have no clue if this shit would work or not, still i believe this thing is freaking scary  :?
you know what would pwn? turning it inside out and using it as condom :DDD
edit: dont forget most of rapists also use weapons like knives. should any woman use this...

i dont even want to speculate. the point is that it would be more dangerous to use things like these than rape itself.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 07, 2013, 04:08:37 pm
So your best argument for why we should execute all criminals is that they did it in a fictional book about a zombie apocalypse? I don't even know what to say to that. You want to kill real people because they did it in a book. A book. A fictional book. About zombies.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Generalization_from_fictional_evidence
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Oberyn on September 07, 2013, 04:25:39 pm
ITT: male circlejerk acting as if false rape reports are actually a common occurrence

just add a healthy dose of victim blaming and "oppression towards males" and you get your typical male discussion on rape

Yeah, pages and pages of guys advocating for the death penalty and chemical castration, and that's what you focus on. Let me guess, SJW tumbler retard? Maybe you should throw in "Patriarchy" and "rape culture" somewhere in there, then cry about how evil the world is some more, you sheltered college prick. So tired of these morons using Social Science terms they only have the barest understanding of, just for emotional masturbation about how enlightened and good they are and the world is bad.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 07, 2013, 06:04:46 pm
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 :l
i found this is from the same movie as the pic:

Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast!
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch.
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn’t it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart.
Ron Burgundy: I saw that! Brick killed a guy! Did you throw a trident?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I’ve been meaning to talk to you about that. You should probably find yourself a safe house or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you’re probably wanted for murder.

doesnt it sound like something from c-rpg?
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Havoco on September 07, 2013, 06:17:31 pm
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 :l

I can see women using that thing in alot of other ways than for rape protection
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Adamar on September 07, 2013, 07:59:11 pm
Seclusion + forced labour(for self sustinance mostly, slavery is something else).

That should be the top sentence for most crimes, because permanent solutions are not only inhumane, but will be severely missused in an imperfect criminal system.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Smoothrich on September 07, 2013, 08:43:06 pm
rape is a bit overreated crime, i agree it is really bad and it must be traumatic for the victim [or maybe not, getting girl drunk and then having sex with her is not something uncommon], but there are worse crimes.

lol, what a fucking idiot

i hope you go to jail or something and get gangraped, let me know how it goes
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Nightmare798 on September 07, 2013, 09:04:57 pm
lol, what a fucking idiot

i hope you go to jail or something and get gangraped, let me know how it goes

farming brownies on delicate topic, arent we?
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Kafein on September 07, 2013, 09:47:39 pm
Forced labour is the most horrible idea ever. The point of prison is to keep people away from them. If suddenly it became an economic strength to have more prisoners, what do you think would happen ? However in some prisons people can work if they want to and get a decent salary, which is fine.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: darmaster on September 08, 2013, 01:51:57 am
Forced labour is the most horrible idea ever. The point of prison is to keep people away from them. If suddenly it became an economic strength to have more prisoners, what do you think would happen ? However in some prisons people can work if they want to and get a decent salary, which is fine.

Wut? Now that's a little forced p:
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: zagibu on September 08, 2013, 02:02:14 am
No it isn't. It's already like this even in areas with prisons that don't do forced labor. But what are you going to do if 90% of an areas economy is dependent on the local prisons? You have to make sure the cells are occupied.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Adamar on September 08, 2013, 06:30:59 am
Which is why I mentioned 'self sustinance'. Obviously people shouldn't make a business out of forced labour. That would be slavery.
The idea would be to relieve national economy from the pressure of the prision system, not to profit from it.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on September 08, 2013, 06:36:58 am
ITT: male circlejerk acting as if false rape reports are actually a common occurrence

just add a healthy dose of victim blaming and "oppression towards males" and you get your typical male discussion on rape

Oh boy, it's Shik come to shit post in our thread! What a joy! Please feel free to come back and contribute nothing again anytime you zero-totalling, edgy nerd! We love it so much!
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Swaggart on September 08, 2013, 02:12:24 pm
Wut? Now that's a little forced p:

Not at all. The US has a privatized prison system and the world's highest incarceration rate. I doubt it's just a coincidence. Perhaps not due to it becoming an economic necessity, but putting a profit motive behind putting people in prison is one of the worst ideas ever conceived, right behind putting a profit motive behind treating sick people.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Rumblood on September 08, 2013, 07:16:50 pm
Not at all. The US has a privatized prison system and the world's highest incarceration rate. I doubt it's just a coincidence. Perhaps not due to it becoming an economic necessity, but putting a profit motive behind putting people in prison is one of the worst ideas ever conceived, right behind putting a profit motive behind treating sick people.

The slow movement to reform drug laws is the vector for change with the greatest potential at the moment.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Kafein on September 08, 2013, 09:24:52 pm
right behind putting a profit motive behind treating sick people.

What


You do know people are not "put" in sickness by courts, I hope ? Even though the pharmaceutical industry is hard at work inventing treatments for imaginary diseases, when you have a serious problem you need a medicine professional, and this person doesn't eat air.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Smoothrich on September 08, 2013, 09:28:41 pm
What


You do know people are not "put" in sickness by courts, I hope ? Even though the pharmaceutical industry is hard at work inventing treatments for imaginary diseases, when you have a serious problem you need a medicine professional, and this person doesn't eat air.

What?

I'm sure he's talking about the American Healthcare industry, which is a massive web of shit mostly led by private insurance companies, that has bloated up the cost of everything to insane levels. Just watched a report how some dude in America was charged 500+ dollars for 4 bags of saline solution. Just because they can, because of deregulation.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Kafein on September 08, 2013, 10:40:09 pm
What?

I'm sure he's talking about the American Healthcare industry, which is a massive web of shit mostly led by private insurance companies, that has bloated up the cost of everything to insane levels. Just watched a report how some dude in America was charged 500+ dollars for 4 bags of saline solution. Just because they can, because of deregulation.

Doesn't mean a physician shouldn't be paid for his job.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Rumblood on September 08, 2013, 11:06:42 pm
Doesn't mean a physician shouldn't be paid for his job.

Hey! Look up there! Its the point and you are totally missing it!
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Xant on September 08, 2013, 11:45:36 pm
Hey! Look up there! Its the point and you are totally missing it!
Yes, shocking though this might sound, consciousness is not an on/off phenomenon, but admits of degrees, grades, shades. Or, to put it more bluntly, there are bigger souls and smaller souls.
Title: Re: Justice for Rapist?
Post by: Swaggart on September 09, 2013, 03:07:11 am
Doesn't mean a physician shouldn't be paid for his job.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I said physicians shouldn't be paid. My point was treating sick people shouldn't be motivated by profit, as in the privatized health care system in the USA.