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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Lucas on May 12, 2011, 12:32:46 am
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Well, my suggestion for balancing HA's is just to null or lower drastically their horse's maneuverability while aiming their bows, beacause c'mom there's no way to manewuver your horse perfectly while using your both hands, and it makes then almost unkillable on duels, especially against other cavs. Tanks for your attention and plz give feedback on what you think of it.
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It seems a good idea but who cares... it is more important the herp derp and the "oh my god" and "it is for the fun but give your ass,,,, seriously"
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The mongols did it.
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I know the mongols did it, that's why i'm not saying to just cut it off, but do you really think u can achieve full maneuverability on a horse whith no hands?
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I do it everytime i play.
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I know the mongols did it, that's why i'm not saying to just cut it off, but do you really think u can achieve full maneuverability on a horse whith no hands?
http://www.wikihow.com/Steer-a-Horse-With-Only-Your-Legs
1 Put on a bridle when you are first learning. You can ride bareback or with a saddle. Make sure your horse/pony is tame and quiet!
2 Mount your horse or pony.
3 When you are first starting out, hold the reins as you normally would but keep them pretty loose. When you get more experienced you won't always have a bridle.
4 Horses will lean and turn away from leg pressure. Therefore, if you want to turn left, apply steady, gentle right-leg pressure. Don't kick or press too hard because they might go faster! To go right, apply your left leg. Try not to use too much pressure through the reins so you get used to it.
5 After you have practiced for a few months or so, try having a friend hold a lead rope attatched to your mount's halter (no bridle!) while you try to ride your horse in various patterns like figure 8's and circles.
6 After you know your horse will respond to your aids and you can deliver the aids, try riding without being lead and without a bridle. Keep a bridle on your horse just in case you may need it.
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You people may be getting me wrong, i'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's not as maneuverable and probably not so easy too.... I Searched in your whole "guide" and couldn't find any statement about this method havind the same maneverability that the hand steering.
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Also it didnt say it didnt.
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You people may be getting me wrong, i'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's not as maneuverable and probably not so easy too.... I Searched in your whole "guide" and couldn't find any statement about this method havind the same maneverability that the hand steering.
5 After you have practiced for a few months or so ... try to ride your horse in various patterns like figure 8's and circles.
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U gotta take into acoount that it's only for steering with the legs, what about steering with the legs while shooting? u gotta need a mother****ing brain for so, at least i think so...
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U gotta take into acoount that it's only for steering with the legs, what about steering with the legs while shooting? u gotta need a mother****ing brain for so, at least i think so...
I bet you can't pat your head and rub your stomach at the same time.
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U gotta take into acoount that it's only for steering with the legs, what about steering with the legs while shooting? u gotta need a mother****ing brain for so, at least i think so...
A horse isn't a car steering wheel. It is an intelligent animal that can be trained to a number of things on its own simply by being taught how to respond. Men use to live and sleep with their horses, not simply visit them for an hour or so a day. They became so attuned that they were like one creature.
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I don't think the manuverability should be what gets reduced I think it is the accuracy, abillity to hold the draw and damage of a bow fired from horseback that should get toned down a bit.
As a support unit I think Horse Archers bring a lot to the game, being amazingly flexible, a brilliant distraction unit ... if they were good at wounding people and killing those who are already wounded or are in light armour that would be fine but they can bring down pretty much anyone as they are because they hit as hard and as accuratly as an infantry archer.
That said locking the horse in place while the bow is being drawn, or at least reducing its reaction speed could work as it would allow people to bait and trap the HA if they work together.
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I wouldn't mind that if same applies to normal cav while holding attack button.
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Actually normal cav keeps a hand at the horse "strings".
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Actually normal cav keeps a hand at the horse "strings".
So what?
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So they can still maneuver the horse, if you could read my post you'd see that the point i'm trying to make is that it's harder to turn a horse without using any of your hands.
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Do you play cav?- horses probably wouldn't just stand still IRL if they ride with full speed against a wall or stuff
Inf?-IRL no man could run with 2 arrows in his body as if nothing happened
So my point was: shit on pseudo "realism reasos" etc.
If you want the game style changed, give game style reasons.
And just penalizing one of the horse class cause they got "no hands on their horse" doesn't make sense to me.
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Which other horse class doesn't have a hand on the reigns?
Shielders hold them in the shield hand, all others hold them in the free hand....meanwhile horse archers steer with their knees.
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Cav thrower?Who gives a shit.
Or the other way round: why should HAs get fixed for that before inf actually getting slowed down by the arrows in their body(after some time leading to complete immobility)
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I'd find interesting to see people (and horses) get cripled by the damage they receive(from arrows bolts and melee too), but i think it's asking too much isn't it?(and also that it would be ****ing hard to code)
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I've seen that in some sp mod. Diplomacy iirc.
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Yep, some mods already propose a speed and maneuver penalty to wounded horses. It works fine, in singeplayer at least.
I am not sure for the suggestion, I don't play HA and I don't feel them being such a problem. I find them cool actually. One thing maybe: they should be compelled to dismount to pick arrows from the ground. I saw once a HA who was riding around to refill his quivers with arrows from the ground, delaying the round for ever.
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I wouldn't say this is a bad idea, because it makes at least a little sense, but I don't know that HA's need to be nerfed really. I rarely get killed by them, they mostly just harass while infantry moves in. Good support class.
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It's balanced by the fact that you lose accuracy while you are moving on a horse. Also, you cannot use the top tier bows while mounted on a horse. It is fine, I think people just get frustrated if they are melee and there is a horse archer left on the field. They are supposed to be engaged by ranged primarily; if they are in range to shoot you, you are more capable of shooting them because you do not moving on a horse and a horse is a much bigger target. Horses being OP is overrated.
ALSO, it has always been this way, no point in changing it for any sense of realism, it has been fine , just because many people get frustrated because they can't engage a horse archer all the while being shot at, is no reason to QQQQQQQQQQQ. Remember, they had to drop points into horse archery and riding.
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Due to the accuracy decrease when moving and that its harder to hit while moving, not so many HA's do it. The HA tactic is mainly playing as an archer, standing still with the horse, but having the mobility to kite, kite and kite again if danger approaches. If enemy cavalry tryes to kill them, they just ride away firing arrows at the enemy horse (which is easy to hit since if the enemy wants to catch up with them they cant keep strafing much with the horse) That is what makes the HA a "problem". They can kill with nearly no way to kill them. If you want to nerf HA's in some way, rather buff throwing weapons. (or the bows that are not useable on a horse)
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I don't see an issue with HA's as they are. Perhaps force them to dismount in order to pick up arrows off the ground so they can't circle strafe infantry with no ranged the entire round, but that's it. Plus that infantry could always loot the xbow's and bolts laying around.