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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Sir_Hans on August 20, 2013, 09:07:22 am

Title: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Sir_Hans on August 20, 2013, 09:07:22 am

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Quote from: Tot. on June 23, 2012, 03:08:35 pm

Old arrow/bolt flying model

For me, and for a whole lot of people, new "realistic" arrows are rather impossible to track in flight. Therefore here's how you can bring back the old, "blurred" and much larger version of flying projectiles.

As for now, you can just use this made by me itemkinds1 (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?vv5cj1ndsfi85yk) file which does the trick (though when cRPG updates it might replace it or it become incompatible)  (updated 18-11-12)

What to do with this:
1. Backup itemkinds1.txt, it's in Modules/cRPG
2. Copy the downloaded file there and overwrite.

Now, the manual method (when above becomes outdated) looks like this:

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1. Backup itemkinds1.txt, it's in Modules/cRPG.
2. Open it, using notepad CTRL F look for arrow_flying and bolts_flying. It will

be in quite a few different combinations with specific arrow models etc. - it

doesnt matter.
3. Replace every phrase containing arrow_flying and bolts_flying with flying_missile.

So, if you have

"tatar_arrow_flying_h1" you change it to "flying missile"
"steel_bolts_flying_h1" you change it to "flying missile"
etc.

4. You must do it for every occurrence of the mentioned phrase.
5. Save the file!

I've tried both the download and manual method mentioned here... In the "compatible mods" sticky, and I can't notice a difference whatsoever.

Whenever I'm shooting my crossbow over like 75 ft distances, I can't tell whether the bolt flies over the targets head or comes up short, so I have no idea how to adjust my shots. It makes it borderline impossible for me to snipe, unless I get extremely lucky just shooting in the general direction and aiming my arcs randomly.  :?
Also, while I do use heirloom pack, I don't have loomed bolts so no help there either, with the different models.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.  :mrgreen:

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2013, 10:19:52 am

http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner%27s-help-and-guides/%28guide%29-how-to-get-the-native-projectile-models-back/ (http://forum.meleegaming.com/beginner%27s-help-and-guides/%28guide%29-how-to-get-the-native-projectile-models-back/)

Enjoy.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Jarold on August 20, 2013, 08:21:20 pm

Does cRPG use finalboss_bolts, finalboss_arrows, and finalboss_bows by default? If so I can just change those files for you and get the native flying arrows if there's no other solution.


EDIT : Oh you use the heirloom pack that makes it easier. I'll post something soon.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Sir_Hans on August 20, 2013, 08:37:25 pm

I have modified all "flying_bolts" to "flying_missile" in itemkinds1.txt (This was the manual fix I tried, mentioned in the quote spoiler from my first post.)

I notice absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Here is a fraps I just took of me shooting with a white snowy background. After I double checked itemkinds1.txt to make sure all "flying_bolts" entries were changed to "flying_missile".

I suggest you turn quality to max and go full screen to see what I'm seeing when I shoot.

Quote from: Jarold on August 20, 2013, 08:21:20 pm

Does cRPG use finalboss_bolts, finalboss_arrows, and finalboss_bows by default? If so I can just change those files for you and get the native flying arrows if there's no other solution.


EDIT : Oh you use the heirloom pack that makes it easier. I'll post something soon.

For me, currently I haven't re-installed the heirloom pack after last patch, so it isn't activated right now. But activating it would just take a few minutes if I needed to. Willing to try anything, thanks!

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Nightingale on August 20, 2013, 10:15:12 pm

Thats because you edited the file incorrectly.

When you search the file Itemkinds1 Search "bolts_flying" You should find... something like "bolts_flying_1h" (I am guessing) highlight all of that including the _1h and change it to "flying_missile"

anything connected to "bolts_flying" needs to be changed as well- "steel_bolts_flying_1h"  to just "flying_missile".

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1. Backup itemkinds1.txt, it's in Modules/cRPG.
2. Open it, using notepad CTRL F look for arrow_flying and bolts_flying. It will

be in quite a few different combinations with specific arrow models etc. - it

doesnt matter.
3. Replace every phrase containing arrow_flying and bolts_flying with flying_missile.

So, if you have

"tatar_arrow_flying_h1" you change it to "flying missile"
"steel_bolts_flying_h1" you change it to "flying missile"- the whole thing must be changed not just "bolts_flying"
etc.

4. You must do it for every occurrence of the mentioned phrase.
5. Save the file!

Since you already edited the "bolts_flying" to "flying_missile" you should probably start the launcher and hit repair, and retry.

If that still doesn't help you... you can contact a cheater and have them explain how to change the texture colors to neon pink and such stuff, pretty lame if you ask me... but then again some people need more of a handicap than others.

Hope this helps!

~ Desire


Edit- If you install Heirloom retextures over your saved Itemkinds you will have to redo the steps again. so install Heirloom pack first, then edit.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 20, 2013, 10:22:04 pm

Yeah there's people out there who change certain weapons or projectiles to neon pink/orange/yellow/green so it's easy to see on the battlefield.  I think it's lame and borderline cheating, but to each their own.

There's also a way for people to make it so bushes and things like that are flat on the ground.  Blatant cheating in my mind, but no way to detect it.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Nightingale on August 20, 2013, 10:29:08 pm

Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on August 20, 2013, 10:22:04 pm

Yeah there's people out there who change certain weapons or projectiles to neon pink/orange/yellow/green so it's easy to see on the battlefield.  I think it's lame and borderline cheating, but to each their own.

There's also a way for people to make it so bushes and things like that are flat on the ground.  Blatant cheating in my mind, but no way to detect it.

They can also make trees, and buildings transparent, I wish there was a way to detect and ban people that do this.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Sir_Hans on August 20, 2013, 11:06:47 pm

Quote from: Nightingale on August 20, 2013, 10:15:12 pm

Thats because you edited the file incorrectly.

When you search the file Itemkinds1 Search "bolts_flying" You should find... something like "bolts_flying_1h" (I am guessing) highlight all of that including the _1h and change it to "flying_missile"

anything connected to "bolts_flying" needs to be changed as well- "steel_bolts_flying_1h"  to just "flying_missile".

This is what I did when editing itemkinds1.txt.

Changed all of "bolts_flying_1h" for example to just "flying_missile". I did not just edit the part which said "bolts_flying" while leaving "_1h" or similar text parts.

I used ctrl-f to find anything with "bolts_flying" and changed the entire entries including any connected subtext/pretext like "steel_" or "_1h" to simply "flying_missile".


Here I'll copy and paste some of the entries in my itemkinds1.txt to show you how they look, after my editing.

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itm_bolts Bolts Bolts 3  bolts_h1 0  flying_missile 2305843009213693952  bolts_quiver_h1 3458764513820540928  16875526 1879048192 193 0 2.500000 100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 15 256 0

 itm_steel_bolts Steel_Bolts Steel_Bolts 3  steel_bolts_h1 0  flying_missile 2305843009213693952  steel_bolts_quiver_h1 3458764513820540928  16842758 1879048192 2563 0 2.200000 100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 12 262 0

itm_imodbits_damaged_steel_bolts Damaged_Steel_Bolts Damaged_Steel_Bolts 3  steel_bolts_h1 0  flying_missile 2305843009213693952  steel_bolts_quiver_h1 3458764513820540928  16842758 1879048192 1666 0 2.200000 100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 63 12 259 0

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 20, 2013, 11:12:00 pm

Quote from: Nightingale on August 20, 2013, 10:29:08 pm

They can also make trees, and buildings transparent, I wish there was a way to detect and ban people that do this.

Didn't realize that, but I should have.  I know there's some people who are going to get every advantage possible, but I hope most people don't have any want to do this.  Would be nice to detect this client side setting change, I figured it'd be possible with WSE2.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Hirlok on August 21, 2013, 12:11:23 am

shoot dem texture cheaters in da butt!

regarding OP:
as an archer I have pretty much the same problem, my mw bodkins have nice red feathers thanks to heirlook pack, I still do not see them fly.

Actually I see this as a tiny bit of added realism to an otherwise LOLstabbingly unrealistic game.

On battle maps (I play battle only sometimes) I am still in the process, but for siege I have memorized many standard distances.

Do it like the archers in old times did as well (watch kingdom of heavens again, they do it before the Jerusalem siege) - zero in and memorise a few spots and the right curve to hit that spot. then you can interpolate pretty much everything between those known spots.

If there are none, abuse a stationary stray horse (NOT the donkeys!!!) or anything else that does not move much and gives that beloved "thump" when your guesswork was right...

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: HappyPhantom on August 21, 2013, 02:06:12 am

Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on August 20, 2013, 10:22:04 pm

Yeah there's people out there who change certain weapons or projectiles to neon pink/orange/yellow/green so it's easy to see on the battlefield.  I think it's lame and borderline cheating, but to each their own.

There's also a way for people to make it so bushes and things like that are flat on the ground.  Blatant cheating in my mind, but no way to detect it.

How the frack? I've tried a million things to get that to work and can't! lol.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Molly on August 21, 2013, 08:55:22 am

Well, all I can say is that you did something wrong cuz I used my own Guide yesterday evening and it worked like a charm. Good old brown laser...

And yes, I do use the heirloom package.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Sir_Hans on August 21, 2013, 09:51:25 am

Do you run WSE2?

Maybe that's the problem, because I don't run c-rpg with WSE2...?

Gonna re install the heirloom pack, see if that makes any difference.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Molly on August 21, 2013, 11:23:45 am

Quote from: Sir_Hans on August 21, 2013, 09:51:25 am

Do you run WSE2?

Maybe that's the problem, because I don't run c-rpg with WSE2...?

Gonna re install the heirloom pack, see if that makes any difference.

The heirloom pack replaces the itemkind1.txt, so does every patch.

And yes, I do run WSE2.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Phew on August 22, 2013, 11:10:09 pm

Could you replace the bolt texture with say a donkey just by editing this text file? I'm not sure I could resist launching donkeys at people...

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 22, 2013, 11:13:13 pm

Quote from: Phew on August 22, 2013, 11:10:09 pm

Could you replace the bolt texture with say a donkey just by editing this text file? I'm not sure I could resist launching donkeys at people...

I always assumed you could (after seeing "flying dildos" name anyways)

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Hirlok on August 23, 2013, 01:08:10 am

Quote from: Phew on August 22, 2013, 11:10:09 pm

Could you replace the bolt texture with say a donkey just by editing this text file? I'm not sure I could resist launching donkeys at people...

...now you got me thinking. Would be hilarious for my donkey archer alt...

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: HappyPhantom on August 24, 2013, 03:37:05 am

I just tried this using vanilla (not WSE2) and managed to get native lasers ;)

Still not pink but.

EDIT: Also works in WSE2.

Title: Re: Any tricks to making Crossbow Bolts in air more visible?
Post by: Templar_Steevee on August 25, 2013, 07:23:59 pm

I have easiest way to make projectiles more visible - buy bigger monitor  :mrgreen: it helped me a lot 8-)