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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: AntiBlitz on July 26, 2013, 06:47:46 pm
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Please for the love of god change its riding difficulty. Nobody rides it, i feel like im one of like 3 people who have it championed. The arabian is hands down better then it, and the difficulty is less. It just doesnt make any sense to even try for 8 riding because you will literally be a paper kite, i would know, i tried using it as a lancer and i die from a single arrow shot at full speed, not to mention how little health it has. Why does the Courser have so much health as a light horse? because the damn thing is so quick that when shot while moving the shitty mechanic for momentum will near kill it, so you gave it a ton of health to compensate. Yet the Eastern has the least amount of health in the game. None of the stats for the eastern make any sense, please fix it.
Eastern Horse
hit points: 80
body armor: 6
difficulty: 8
speed: 44
maneuver: 44
charge: 11
Arabian Warhorse
hit points: 100
body armor: 10
difficulty: 7
speed: 41
maneuver: 48
charge: 13
Sumpter Horse
hit points: 90
body armor: 10
difficulty: 2
speed: 33
maneuver: 37
charge: 9
Courser
hit points: 100
body armor: 18
difficulty: 6
speed: 46
maneuver: 41
charge: 15
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Becuz there is no horse thats both faster and more flexible then that horse :P
8 riding is a a lot ofc, but still, you should be able to outrun any opponent.
I say it is the best high level HA horse you can imagine.
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you cannot outrun a champion courser with it, sorry. I have rode it and been rode up on with it, and champ arabians can still outmaneuver you.
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Champ arabian is slower then you, you can outrun it.
Courser is less flexible then you, you can outmaneuver it.
I think the horse is mainly usefull as horsearcher with 4 HA skill (so he has the agi for 8 riding anyway)
As a horsearcher on this horse you can easily outmaneuver a courser, or simply outrun an arabian while shooting them.
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yes i understand that, however they also made it the weakest horse, it literally will die in a full trot by taking an arrow, or 2 if riding away at full gallop.
also to quote on that "best HA horse", what horse archer do you know of that is 12/24? that would be the weakest HA, you wont be killing much with 4pd, and besides that you will be using a very weak bow.
Bow
missile speed: 42
weight: 3.5
accuracy: 99
difficulty: 4
speed rating: 58
missile speed: 42
thrust damage: 28 cut
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback
Tatar Bow
missile speed: 46
weight: 2.4
accuracy: 101
difficulty: 3
speed rating: 66
missile speed: 46
thrust damage: 24 cut
slots: 1
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I have a weakness for strange-stat-underused items
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In my opinion the maneuver stat is so vastly more important than the speed stat for performing as cav. It does not only influence your ability to turn, but also your acceleration by a lot, which means that the Arabian will outspeed it when taking corners, and on rough terrain. The Arabian is a much better horse indeed.
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Lol, it's also weaker then a sumpter :lol:
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as do i grumpy, i like to be different and use equipment that separates me from the masses. And thank you Teeth for posting, you are correct, the arabian is hard to get away from as it can keep its speed very well, and as we all know even if you just bee line away from it, eventually you have to turn as the majority of the maps are not plain open field maps. Its nice that they are attempting to create a horse that is the best of both worlds (Courser/Arabian) but it needs stats that are comparable to the two that make it not such a shit horse for its riding level that you must gimp your build to ride it.
It needs comparable health and armor values, and the difficulty needs changed, to atleast 7, 8 is just to damn high to actually do anything with.
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Bump, id really appreciate this being looked at and taken into consideration.
Also the thread about adding more horses is nice, as adding variety is always nice, henceforth why i aim to ride my champ eastern horse.
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Well the Arabian is the best horse in the game, but it costs 7 riding. The eastern horse isn't that great of a horse, I'd say it should be 7 riding.
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Your avatar is distracting
I agree, almost no one uses the eastern horse. Its stats really don't make it that distinguished but I think the #1 reason people don't use it is because it looks silly. The feathery headdress and the skinny body don't complement very many outfits.
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Eastern horse is fine, except all the stupid fucking feathers that obscure my reticule. Seriously though, for ranged cavalry the horse is excellent; and if that was it's intended purpose then its doing its job.
In my experience its fragility is only a problem when you are moving at full speed because you give your enemies the speed bonus to 1hit your horse. Whenever I'm snaking around infantry the high maneuver/speed enable me pull myself out their swings sweet spot and avoid serious damage.
And if you think the Arabian Warhorse is better, why don't you use it? I think its a better idea to adapt your play style to the the gear you are using rather than the other way around.
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Eastern horse is fine, except all the stupid fucking feathers that obscure my reticule. Seriously though, for ranged cavalry the horse is excellent; and if that was it's intended purpose then its doing its job.
In my experience its fragility is only a problem when you are moving at full speed because you give your enemies the speed bonus to 1hit your horse. Whenever I'm snaking around infantry the high maneuver/speed enable me pull myself out their swings sweet spot and avoid serious damage.
And if you think the Arabian Warhorse is better, why don't you use it? I think its a better idea to adapt your play style to the the gear you are using rather than the other way around.
You are thinking eastern warhorse (cause the normal one has no feathers)
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Eastern horse is fine, except all the stupid fucking feathers that obscure my reticule. Seriously though, for ranged cavalry the horse is excellent; and if that was it's intended purpose then its doing its job.
In my experience its fragility is only a problem when you are moving at full speed because you give your enemies the speed bonus to 1hit your horse. Whenever I'm snaking around infantry the high maneuver/speed enable me pull myself out their swings sweet spot and avoid serious damage.
And if you think the Arabian Warhorse is better, why don't you use it? I think its a better idea to adapt your play style to the the gear you are using rather than the other way around.
you are a Horse xbowman, not a horse archer, no horse archer would gimp their build to have 8 riding. However being a HX, you dont have a need to have any higher strength then 7, which at level 31 would give you like 10 riding.
Secondly Crpg is all about the style, id rather have something unique and different then ride an Arabian or Destrier like every other player. The arabian is just hands down better then the eastern, and it serves a purpose, where as the eastern seems to not have any purpose whatsoever with its 8 riding difficulty.
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you are a Horse xbowman, not a horse archer, no horse archer would gimp their build to have 8 riding. However being a HX, you dont have a need to have any higher strength then 7, which at level 31 would give you like 10 riding.
Secondly Crpg is all about the style, id rather have something unique and different then ride an Arabian or Destrier like every other player. The arabian is just hands down better then the eastern, and it serves a purpose, where as the eastern seems to not have any purpose whatsoever with its 8 riding difficulty.
The reason that horse is unique is because of its requirement. If it was average like the others, it would not be unique at all.
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The reason that horse is unique is because of its requirement. If it was average like the others, it would not be unique at all.
Is this sarcastic? :|
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horse bump
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Buff this thing already!
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Becuz there is no horse thats both faster and more flexible then that horse :P
8 riding is a a lot ofc, but still, you should be able to outrun any opponent.
I say it is the best high level HA horse you can imagine.
No. I have 8 riding. This horse costs more, requires more skill points, and is less effective than the Arabian.
Even the Desert Horse is a better choice for the survivability and superior maneuver (and far cheaper).
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No. I have 8 riding. This horse costs more, requires more skill points, and is less effective than the Arabian.
Even the Desert Horse is a better choice for the survivability and superior maneuver (and far cheaper).
You're seriously underestimating the strength of being insanely fast at will while still having the maneuverability to dodge most horses.
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You're seriously underestimating the strength of being insanely fast at will while still having the maneuverability to dodge most horses.
Except it's only slightly faster than the Arabian and way less maneuverable. It also has a lot less hp and armor than the Arabian.
Since it's less maneuverable than the Arabian, it loses more speed on turns. Yes it's faster if you only move in a straight line, but all that does is get you killed by anyone who can shoot an arrow.
It's already a bad horse; having a requirement of 8 riding makes it even worse.
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You're seriously underestimating the strength of being insanely fast at will while still having the maneuverability to dodge most horses.
as rusty posted above, i understand you can move faster, but when you go to turn, you must slow down like a courser to make the turn, and the arabian will catch you at this point and have its way with you. The horse is by no means "good" at anything, you ever heard the saying "Jack of all trades, Master of none". Well thats this horse, and 8 riding makes it even worse, i believe the horse's difficulty should be 7, even 7 is a push for cavalry as 90% of the other horses can be rode at 5 riding.
Also dont get me started on how weak this horse is, its survivability sucks, just flat out sucks. Atleast the Arabian and courser can take a few hits and not seem like they are frail and on the verge of death at all times. It has nearly the same stats as a Donkey by only being 1 point off.
Donkey
hit points: 80
body armor: 5
difficulty: 0
speed: 24
maneuver: 27
charge: 5
Sumpter Horse
hit points: 90
body armor: 10
difficulty: 2
speed: 33
maneuver: 37
charge: 9
Courser
hit points: 100
body armor: 18
difficulty: 6
speed: 46
maneuver: 41
charge: 15
Arabian Warhorse
hit points: 100
body armor: 10
difficulty: 7
speed: 41
maneuver: 48
charge: 13
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Eastern Horse
hit points: 80
body armor: 6
difficulty: 8
speed: 44
maneuver: 44
charge: 11
My opinion: The reason the Courser has 100 health but 18 body armor is because while this horse is in a full gallop, a striking arrow will cause massive damage to the horse because of the momentum, so to balance this horse it needs almost double the body armor of the Arabian. The Arabian is stated weaker, but its also slower, much slower. So this horse's armor is lower to keep an average between the two, so one horse is not inherently stronger then the other, it just has different abilities to perform, ie. Faster or turns better. Yet the Eastern's stats make it faster then the Arabian, almost as fast as the courser and it as 3 times less body armor, and 20 less health, making it on average much much weaker. From personal experience, i dont think my horse has ever lasted through the round, i get about 2 mins in and our pinpoint archers shoot me down, leaving me running about on foot like common rabble, wondering why i spent 8 riding to get a weak horse when i could have spent 5 and rode a plated charger.
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You're seriously underestimating the strength of being insanely fast at will while still having the maneuverability to dodge most horses.
You're seriously overestimating a dead horse. :idea:
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I will not let this horse down, it must be considered for balancing!
Bump!!!
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you are a Horse xbowman, not a horse archer, no horse archer would gimp their build to have 8 riding.
When I did gens as HA, I went 18/24 (no melee skills, no IF) for 8 riding 4 HA crazy archery WPF. +3 Steppe, Desert, and Arabian are amazing with this build. Had the eastern horse existed, I would have taken over any other.
I do agree that it is incredibly weak against incoming attacks. The other horses I used could take at least 2 hits. The current eastern horse will die from almost anything.
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8 riding seems a bit much for the super low survivability.
When I did gens as HA, I went 18/24 (no melee skills, no IF) for 8 riding 4 HA crazy archery WPF.
That is not a level 30 build.
At lvl 30 with 18/24, 8 riding and 4 HA you have 5 skill points left over.
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Thread getting knocked down by junk, this needs to be fixed and looked at! bump!!!
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My conquest mode suggestion is better, fuck your horse
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My conquest mode suggestion is better, fuck your horse
yes but it'll never happen, at least mine is a possibility.
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Bump to fix this shit horse.
I tried using it myself and almost every other horse is better without gimping your build.
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great thread swamped by shit suggestion like uncensoring random crap, and adding more crap. buff this damn horse!
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Another bump to fix this shit. At least give it more hp/armor than a damn donkey.
Also, by far the best horse model in the game.
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I say it is the best high level HA horse you can imagine.
Except when you have to fight another HA and it goes down with one arrow. It's overpriced and useless. Also it's bugged (armor lods) and the stats make no sense. The model is actually armored with some plates but the stats don't reflect this at all.
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I like there being a 8 req horse, but a stat buff is needed to make it rather viable compared to the other horses.
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yeah, im really sad that the horse is pretty much in an unusable state ... i really love it and thats why i loomed it and i made my HA to be 18/24 quite particular for using Yumi and Eastern horse ... but using it ? no chance ... its not worth it, considering the upkeep chance for horses and the overall price and its effectiveness.
I must have lost hundreds of thausands gold while playing HA, and i think its fair in a certain way .. but having unusable items in a game is a design flaw ... it could as well be removed ..
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more armor and amour for this pumped up donkey!
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more armor and amour for this pumped up donkey!
I amour your donkey every night!
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you are a Horse xbowman, not a horse archer, no horse archer would gimp their build to have 8 riding. However being a HX, you dont have a need to have any higher strength then 7, which at level 31 would give you like 10 riding.
Secondly Crpg is all about the style, id rather have something unique and different then ride an Arabian or Destrier like every other player. The arabian is just hands down better then the eastern, and it serves a purpose, where as the eastern seems to not have any purpose whatsoever with its 8 riding difficulty.
Antiblitz 15 24 is the norm build for ha but the problem is that u r 2 points short. You have to choose (weaponmaster and riding) 7-7 or 6-8 and since most people dont get the extra 8 riding and you normally only get the 7 rideing if you are going to use the Arabian it really does outcast it. I think just make it better so people will want to use it, because if the diffuculty is lowered it still doesnt make it a good horse it only makes it so that more players can use it.