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Title: Longsword
Post by: Clockworkkiller on July 24, 2013, 07:02:25 pm
Longsword is gay OP

Nerf it, my minions
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 24, 2013, 07:22:24 pm
I'm starting to think you are gay...
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Clockworkkiller on July 24, 2013, 11:07:31 pm
I bet you use the longsword


It's ok everyone was a scrub once


Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:27:09 am
You bet I do...have for a long time..actually want to trade it though for something else, not sure what yet.
In case you are interested, which I know you are not, I use the LS because it is short enough to not get caught on everything in siege. 
Although I'm starting to want something longer like the Two Handed Sword, because that would be better for battle.

Not the reason for my comment though - that is purely related to your (and others lately) high frequency of unsupported QQ threads.
I'm indifferent to whether you think LS is OP or not.  I'd vote to have it's speed reduced by 1 again, don't think that buff was necessary (but if that were done I'd have the katana do the same).

Besides, the weapon you should be complaining about is the Miaodao  :rolleyes:

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Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: [Ant] on July 25, 2013, 04:03:00 am
^Worst "power player" screen shot i have ever seen.... ever. 9 kills and only 66 points you backslashing little bitch ;)
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: JasonPastman on July 25, 2013, 04:03:23 am
The longsword is overrated.  The thing about the longsword and other weapons of a similar nature is that if one takes the time to master their potential they will seem op, but in actuality it is the players skill and not simply the weapon that is truly op. 
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on July 25, 2013, 04:59:05 am
I have Elindor's back on most everything, hard to disagree with someone so...eloquent?

But, the longsword is my mortal enemy.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Dalfador on July 25, 2013, 05:24:46 am
Longsword is a good sword, especially after its last buff. However I don't think it's overpowered. It's simply too short even with the 2h lolstab to be that threatening to players with longer weapons. Looking at your avatar, it seems you use a shield and a warhammer...? Not a very long weapon so a longsword user would have you outreached and outsped.

Although I play a polearmer so I'm used to outreaching most things, except the 2h lolstab. :mad:
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 06:25:40 am
Quote from: [Ant] on July 25, 2013, 04:03:00 am
^Worst "power player" screen shot i have ever seen.... ever. 9 kills and only 66 points you backslashing little bitch ;)

I can upload more if I have to...but only did so to cut off the scrub talk.

And more importantly they are not "power player" screen shots...I am decently good, but no "power player" for sure.

Oh, and Cyranule in that screenshot has 7 kills and only 59 points...you wanna call him a backslashing bitch? :)  I didn't think so.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 06:27:32 am
Quote from: Froto_the_Loc on July 25, 2013, 04:59:05 am
I have Elindor's back on most everything, hard to disagree with someone so...eloquent?

But, the longsword is my mortal enemy.

I understand Froto.  We're cool.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Rebelyell on July 25, 2013, 12:15:20 pm
when bad players start QQ thats to op...

YOU BLIND IDIOTS GO CHECK MIADAO AND AND THEN START WHINE ABOUT LONGSword


it was 1 point slower and maybe 1 dmg less for ages and no one gave a fuck no ONE, it was fine for everyone


miadao is op
greate axe is op
Sow is op
dadao for prize is just silli

and barmace because of that knock down

2 handed war axe is just best axe for strat

check that weapons, if you can't see how awesome they are dont whine here because you are....


but no
danish longsword op
lolstab op

Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: korppis on July 25, 2013, 01:40:49 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:27:09 am
I'd vote to have it's speed reduced by 1 again, don't think that buff was necessary (but if that were done I'd have the katana do the same).

Same, would vote 1 (or 2 with HBS/BS) speed reduce for LS/BS/HBS, but not for katana (pre buff speeds were fine). The thing is that all those swords are 6-11 points longer and 0.3-0.5 heavier... IMHO the speed should be at least somewhat linear with those two stats.

           Length Weight Speed 
Katana 95       1.5      100     
BS       101      1.8      101     
HBS       105      2         100     
LS       106      1.8      99     
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Phew on July 25, 2013, 03:02:29 pm
Longsword doesn't start to seem OP until people abuse hiltslash/facehug lolstab/spinthrust/etc, which can be done with almost any 2h anyway. IMHO, Elindor is the best 2h player that doesn't abuse any of that crap; he just blocks your sh!t then employs basic footwork/holds/feints to kill people.

It's the guys that do nothing but abuse broken game mechanics that give Longsword a bad name, but Elindor isn't one of those guys.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Necrorave on July 25, 2013, 03:26:01 pm
The only problem I have is the amount of damage it does compared to other 2h weapons.  A greatsword should do more damage.  I am fine with the speed, although if they either dumbed down the speed or the damage slightly it would be fine.

40c for a 100 speed sword is a bit ridiculous.  I personally think the only thing unbalanced in the game is the 1/2h swords.  Although, people may argue that is because I do not like playing 2h.

PS: I did try playing 2h and found it fairly easy with the longsword.  It does not fit my play style though.  I do have respect for those that use the Great swords, even though lolstabs make me cry sometimes.

PSS: Silly post by a silly man
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:42:15 pm
Necrocrave, you probably found it easy because you are a good player :)  Good player is a good player.  When I play 1h/shield I find I do well with that, but it's boring to me cause I prefer the manual blocking challenge.  Not saying anything bad here about 1h/shield (awesome class and many awesome players use it), I'm just saying a good player is a good player.

Also, LS and other 2h swords like it are good because they are very well rounded weapons....pretty fast, decent damage, decent length, etc.  Other weapons like a greatsword are meant to be longer and more damaging but slower and harder to maneuver, and a nimble 1h is supposed to be faster and more agile but less damaging.  A sword like the LS is the middle of the road sword.  Now, do I think that is all balanced perfectly right now?  Not exactly.  +1 here and -1 here on some things and they'd have it.

People need to stop just going "NERF LS ALL LS = SCRUBS" (and 2h in general) and actually come at it with some sound logic and mechanical balancing solutions.
Not to mention, if someone sucks you should be able to kill them either way, LS or not.   LS is not some magical weapon....its fast and decently damaging if you have good PS but its short, and if they suck they shouldn't be able to manual block and stuff that well, right?  So wait for them to spam and then close in and kill them.

The issue you bring up with the LS and lighter swords dmg compared to the great swords is because they recently NERFED the greatswords mostly to appease the EU community I think....in conjunction with that they buffed the LS and other lighter swords by 1 here or there and now many use those instead.  I agree it doesn't all make sense....

Funny thing is how much people whine about LS when I really don't see that many....if you go into battle its mostly polearms and ranged, and if you go into siege its mostly 1/h shield from my experience.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:47:35 pm
FYI....I've already made suggestions for LS to get -1 Speed in return for +2 length, making it a 98 speed base with 108 length.  That way it would better fill the void between the BS/HBS and the Two Handed Sword.

Other funny thing is that a little while ago before the +1 Speed and +1 dmg buff people wondered why anyone used the longsword...especially because everyone was strength crutching and hitting someone with a longsword was like hitting the terminator with a nerf bat.  Funny how they +1 it and people start going more agi (unrelated I think) and now everyone cries about it.

Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:52:10 pm
Quote from: Phew on July 25, 2013, 03:02:29 pm
Longsword doesn't start to seem OP until people abuse hiltslash/facehug lolstab/spinthrust/etc, which can be done with almost any 2h anyway. IMHO, Elindor is the best 2h player that doesn't abuse any of that crap; he just blocks your sh!t then employs basic footwork/holds/feints to kill people.

It's the guys that do nothing but abuse broken game mechanics that give Longsword a bad name, but Elindor isn't one of those guys.

Thanks Phew.

Case and point here is Tanken with the longspear.  He makes that thing look like a benny hill open....but if you nerf it into the ground it will be a pointless weapon so I don't come on here and whine everytime Tanken jumpspinstabs me from point blank range with a 10 ft pole :)
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Necrorave on July 25, 2013, 03:53:47 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:42:15 pm
People need to stop just going "NERF LS ALL LS = SCRUBS" and actually come at it with some sound logic and mechanical balancing solutions.

Psh, this is like saying "Long voulge is OP" when it comes to the Crpg community
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:55:33 pm
Quote from: Necrorave on July 25, 2013, 03:53:47 pm
Psh, this is like saying "Long voulge is OP" when it comes to the Crpg community

I don't follow you - not familiar with the native forums....explain?
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Necrorave on July 25, 2013, 03:59:07 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:55:33 pm
I don't follow you - not familiar with the native forums....explain?

Crpg community members will never be reasonable when it comes to buffs and nerfs.  They want everything that hits them to be made of noodles, and their armor to be made of Diamonds
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 04:02:32 pm
^ True.

You mean something like this?

"It killed me, and I'm better than that scrub (doesn't matter who it is with few exceptions), so that weapon needs nerfed. I cannot distinguish between this empty feeling in my soul and an actual need for that weapon to be mechanically balanced better for overall gameplay."

 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Memento_Mori on July 25, 2013, 06:03:19 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 03:47:35 pm
Other funny thing is that a little while ago before the +1 Speed and +1 dmg buff people wondered why anyone used the longsword.

Longsword is fine, it's a great weapon.

On NA longsword/heavy bastard sword were the main 2hs, where is this part in time where people wondered why anyone used the longsword?
*logic*

37 cut 23 pierce or 40 cut 25 pierce at masterwork.. is a wet noodle to you, I don't believe you've played the other melee classes enough.

Btw this thread sucks, why did I post in a thread where the OP starts off with "This weapon is gay" lol
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Berserkadin on July 25, 2013, 06:05:31 pm
Quote from: JasonPastman on July 25, 2013, 04:03:23 am
The longsword is overrated.  The thing about the longsword and other weapons of a similar nature is that if one takes the time to master their potential they will seem op, but in actuality it is the players skill and not simply the weapon that is truly op.
I just switched from LHB to katana-spammer, and IMO katana/LS > any other fucking weapon I've ever used. It's kinda fun to play tough since you can spam everyone and outreach most non 2hers with the stab.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 06:52:16 pm
Quote from: Memento_Mori on July 25, 2013, 06:03:19 pm
Longsword is fine, it's a great weapon.

On NA longsword/heavy bastard sword were the main 2hs, where is this part in time where people wondered why anyone used the longsword?
*logic*

37 cut 23 pierce or 40 cut 25 pierce at masterwork.. is a wet noodle to you, I don't believe you've played the other melee classes enough.

Btw this thread sucks, why did I post in a thread where the OP starts off with "This weapon is gay" lol

Yeah, this thread is silly.

Anyhow Mori I'm referring to maybe 6-8 months ago?  Not sure anymore, but it was strength/armor/heavy weapons everywhere in siege.  I was balanced build and would hit people like Sosarian Knight or Tretter like 7-8 times with a +3 LS to kill them....hence why I started using the morningstar more back then for the pierce. 

Times have changed it seems and a lot of people are lighter now in their builds/armor/weaponry.   Now the +3 LS cuts through people plenty....

I'm not complaining about longsword though - not sure how you got that idea.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Phew on July 25, 2013, 07:37:18 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 06:52:16 pm
Times have changed it seems

Translation: "KUTT stopped playing siege regularly"
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 07:39:29 pm
Quote from: Phew on July 25, 2013, 07:37:18 pm
Translation: "KUTT stopped playing siege regularly"

Something like that.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Phew on July 25, 2013, 07:44:18 pm
Quote from: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 07:39:29 pm
Something like that.

Killiam and I were playing low-pop siege last night (~15 people), and I realized with great sadness that we were the server's armor crutchers in our Rus Scale. Everyone else was in mail or lower.

I guess the good players all value speed over survivability, and the new players are too broke for heavy armor.

Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 07:52:03 pm
Yeah it's nice, I'm liking the shift.

I was in siege late night last night (around 35 on actually) - LOTS of people I usually see in battle.  Was fun.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Elindor on July 25, 2013, 11:31:46 pm
i see Kaoklai came through and -1 everything lol.
Title: Re: Longsword
Post by: Simon_Templar on July 27, 2013, 09:28:57 pm
some people has problems..... What the fuck guys...... just make tank build and learn finally to play and its fine. the longsword is not OP. i dont see that match people playing with that weapon this days. so shoud the fuck up and get a job.