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Title: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 19, 2013, 10:03:20 pm
What started out as a simple test to use my 360 controller as a joystick for my Legend of Zelda emulator around this time last week quickly developed into me using the controller as a replacement for my mouse altogether for most PC gaming (Generally FPS which already had joystick settings implemented)due to it's untimely death at the hands of my younger brother. I was able to do this using a program that a simple google search helped me discover called JoyToKey.

 After hours of trial and failure I finally got it working as a simple mouse, and used it to check facebook, youtube, and a few simple broswer games. I quickly got tired of this as the novelty wore off, because I could do things much easier with a mouse+keyboard. Searches being impossible without a keyboard. I simply went back to using it exclusively for emulators or games that had implemented Joystick settings(Generally FPS, Counter Strike: Source, CoD, etc.).

Today My mouse had entirely crapped out and armed with nothing other than a mousepad. I decided to give the controller a shot for more intense games CRPG as an example. I have spent the last hour configuring and testing my controls in The duel server until I was comfortable with the controls. I'm confident that this could become a viable alternate than the stock mouse+keyboard options, with advantage liked being able to map nudges and kicks to easily accesible locations such as the left and right bumpers. I just felt I should share. I'll probably make a demonstration video. And depending if people are interested or not. Even a tutorial. I'll go ahead and link you
JoyToKey (http://www.electracode.com/4/joy2key/JoyToKey%20English%20Version.htm)
Wireles Controller Driver (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/d/xbox-360-wireless-controller-for-windows)
and  Wired Controller (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/d/xbox-360-controller-for-windows)

EDIT:If you want to try this is a good congfiguration IMO. Althought you may want to adjust snesitivity. My configuration (https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=48d59d3678&view=att&th=13ff8c88b6dca886&attid=0.1&disp=safe&realattid=f_hjbvycv20&zw) By the way, safe link. All I did was upload to my gmail and then paste the download link.


How to confugure
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TL;DR: I play cRPG with an xbox controller for now.

UPDATE: Melee seems rather doable just with a bit of a learning curve, still practicing
UPDATE: This dosen't seem to work with NW at the moment configuring that for those who care. NW recognizes the controller and JoyToKey Is not required.
UPDATE: Swing cancelling is possible by mapping a second key to the block button other than one of the triggers. B for example. However continue to use the original button for blocking as blocking with b is near impossible.
UPDATE: I now recommend using a key you can block with while still being able to turn and move, such as a bumper or one of the analog sticks itself, because for some reason that I cannot figure out you cannot feign with the right or left triggers but all other buttons work entirely fine. Will try to solve this.
UPDATE: Using a computer Mic Is possible while having the Controller hooked up simply by going to your volume mixer, then devices. And Disabling the "Headset" device that installs with your controller.

Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Prpavi on July 19, 2013, 10:13:11 pm
Good luck with that (   ^____^ )/
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 19, 2013, 10:16:23 pm
Good luck with that (   ^____^ )/
Thanks.

This'll probably be better implemented as a ranged character or a mod like NW. But Again. I just did this in the last hour so no way of knowing how It'll actually fare in melee. I'm joining NA as we speak to test in an actual battle.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Jarold on July 19, 2013, 10:21:31 pm
I wouldn't mind trying this out but it seems that it won't work for Windows 8. I wish I had stuck with Windows 7.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Prpavi on July 19, 2013, 10:21:45 pm
Thanks.

This'll probably be better implemented as a ranged character or a mod like NW. But Again. I just did this in the last hour so no way of knowing how It'll actually fare in melee. I'm joining NA as we speak to test in an actual battle.

I am actually really interested in how it goes, keep us posted.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Axel Raby on July 19, 2013, 10:29:02 pm
I will stay with mouse and a keyboard. All kinds of joysticks or other controllers aren't for me, I just suck with them - even more than with a mouse.
Good luck anyway.

Greetings.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 19, 2013, 10:55:56 pm
Thanks for the replies guys.

Anyways so far what I've learned this that Feigning requires much more precise timing, Canceling crossbow aiming is hard(right clicking to put it back down after aiming). This would probably be best for archers/shielders if you wanted to use this effectively from the beginning there is quite a bit of a learning curve. But I've already begun some improvement. But still lingering around the .33 K/D doing this
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 19, 2013, 11:02:39 pm
It appears my left analog stick(Which I currently have mapped to movement WASD) is a little off it's axes so I move when I don't want to making archery RIDICULOUSLY hard to test. So I may not be able to give an accurate assesment of archery with this.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Osiris on July 19, 2013, 11:08:34 pm
heh you make me remember the guy who was perma banned for auto block and blamed it on using a 360 controller :D
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 19, 2013, 11:57:26 pm
Original post Updated with a configuration helper.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: chesterotab on July 20, 2013, 01:44:49 am
I have messed around with a program called Xpadder to use my 360 controller with crpg, been doing it on and off for awhile now. Very playable, very fun. It's all smooth, feinting feels just like it normally does. Don't expect to go blocking longsword combos for any extended period of time though.

Works especially great for long polearms (perfect circle dances into a swing) and support roles in battle.

protip: bind up on the D-pad to Q and down to A so you can apologize to your team while you get used to the controls.  :wink:
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Bittersteel on July 20, 2013, 01:46:29 am
heh you make me remember the guy who was perma banned for auto block and blamed it on using a 360 controller :D


I like how he avoided to answer that  :P
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 20, 2013, 01:51:39 am

I like how he avoided to answer that  :P

Cause he was unbanned and proved innocent. Was goretooth.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 02:03:30 am


protip: bind up on the D-pad to Q and down to A so you can apologize to your team while you get used to the controls.  :wink:
Thanks for this. I generally just do it in chat as I have my laptop right in front of me but this will help a ton. Starting to get the hang of blocking. However feigning for some reason is near-impossible using my right trigger, while it works fine on other bindings. It just initiates my swing when I try and feign/cancel my swing with the right trigger. Do you know why it does this?
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: cmp on July 20, 2013, 02:04:15 am
Cause he was unbanned and proved innocent. Was goretooth.

?
He was called sevensins or something like that and the controller thing was a lie he made up. Goretooth was never banned for autoblocking.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Duster on July 20, 2013, 02:06:12 am
Cause he was unbanned and proved innocent. Was goretooth.

Nah that was a joke among ATS that spilled out onto the servers, and we spread it around when he had taken a couple week break :lol:
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 02:07:14 am

I like how he avoided to answer that  :P
Not a question, how was I supposed to answer that, lol.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: chesterotab on July 20, 2013, 02:18:46 am
However feigning for some reason is near-impossible using my right trigger, while it works fine on other bindings. It just initiates my swing when I try and feign/cancel my swing with the right trigger. Do you know why it does this?

I am not totally sure what you mean by that. With my set up being right trigger to attack(left mouse button), left trigger to block (right mouse button) feinting works the same way as it does normally. ie.. Right trigger to throw a swing, left trigger to cancel it/block.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 02:42:08 am
I suppose this is my problem, I'll try switching my attack/block binds to see if it does anything. Or maybe it was just the program I use versus the one that you used. Anyways. testing now.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Leesin on July 20, 2013, 05:00:14 am
Sell controller, buy mouse.



 :lol:, good luck with your efforts though, I'm sure some people will enjoy it.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 05:03:20 am
Sell controller, buy mouse.



 :lol:, good luck with your efforts though, I'm sure some people will enjoy it.
To be honest, I've been practicing on duel for an hour now. And I'm starting to get the hang of it, Once I start implementing kicks/nudges etc. Which are actually pretty conviently located I think I can actually start doing pretty well. Still thought. I think a Mouse is better just because of how long I've used the mouse+keyboard. But whatever, it's pretty fun.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 20, 2013, 05:48:38 am
Nah that was a joke among ATS that spilled out onto the servers, and we spread it around when he had taken a couple week break :lol:

ho ho.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Hobb on July 20, 2013, 07:09:34 am
so ive been playin crpg for 2 years now: gen 16 lvl 35, never once have I killed someone with a keyboard and mouse. controller is certainly effective for crpg, I think some things are even better with it than a mouse. the key is your right stick sensitivity, you want that basically at max so you can turn real easy.

i think especially new players would like the feel of mount and blade with a controller, it always felt natural to me.


Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Taser on July 20, 2013, 07:15:29 am
so ive been playin crpg for 2 years now: gen 16 lvl 35, never once have I killed someone with a keyboard and mouse. controller is certainly effective for crpg, I think some things are even better with it than a mouse. the key is your right stick sensitivity, you want that basically at max so you can turn real easy.

i think especially new players would like the feel of mount and blade with a controller, it always felt natural to me.

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Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Hobb on July 20, 2013, 07:19:50 am
ahhh my entourage.... late as usual
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 07:28:24 am
so ive been playin crpg for 2 years now: gen 16 lvl 35, never once have I killed someone with a keyboard and mouse. controller is certainly effective for crpg, I think some things are even better with it than a mouse. the key is your right stick sensitivity, you want that basically at max so you can turn real easy.

i think especially new players would like the feel of mount and blade with a controller, it always felt natural to me.



The thing about a high sensitivity on the right stick is that when I block Up for example I lose sight of the guy in front of me and cannot block his swing if he has a follow-up on the way
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Hobb on July 20, 2013, 07:38:55 am
i mean you have to practice at it, but eventually you'll get the feel down. the thing that always got me was fighting on slopes, it was hard to get the right blocks at an angle, but im fairly certain that is a mouse problem too.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 07:40:21 am
i mean you have to practice at it, but eventually you'll get the feel down. the thing that always got me was fighting on slopes, it was hard to get the right blocks at an angle, but im fairly certain that is a mouse problem too.
It is.

I think I'm going to continue playing with the controller as it has sort of revived the game for me adding a new and interesting way to play, and master. I've had more fun doing this today than I have playing this game in the past year.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 20, 2013, 08:17:41 am
so ive been playin crpg for 2 years now: gen 16 lvl 35, never once have I killed someone with a keyboard and mouse. controller is certainly effective for crpg, I think some things are even better with it than a mouse. the key is your right stick sensitivity, you want that basically at max so you can turn real easy.

i think especially new players would like the feel of mount and blade with a controller, it always felt natural to me.
Any classes that work especially well for you? I'm curious to know what to play and not to play.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: FleetFox on July 20, 2013, 10:01:36 am
Wow, this seems pretty neat, ill try it out for sure thanks!
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: clement42 on July 22, 2013, 08:38:58 pm
nice
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Blade on July 22, 2013, 10:01:18 pm
Sounds fun, I might try it out someday.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Goretooth on July 22, 2013, 10:05:55 pm
Cause he was unbanned and proved innocent. Was goretooth.
Anders, again talking about stuff he doesn't know anything about.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Jarold on July 22, 2013, 10:06:41 pm
Video?
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 22, 2013, 11:40:51 pm
Video?
I'll be making one in a few days. Just haven't been able to get around to it because I'm on vacation at the moment. I'll be home sometime between Wednesday and Thursday. Just curious, Would you guys prefer a tutorial. Or just a video of the controller in action?
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Banok on July 23, 2013, 06:19:35 am
i dunno how/why you bothered with that programm it doesn't make any sense, but i was intrigued by the idea because when i come back to crpg after a break i misclick directions. and lose to you play every day for 3 years sad acts.

so i got xpadder off pirate bay and was extremely obvious how to set it up, join NA server cause eu is empty, got valour first round with it, so it cant be that bad.

pretty hard in an actual duel tho. honestly I wish we could just bind specific keys to "block left" "swing right" etc. taleworlds suck balls, where the hell is m&b2.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Tanken on July 23, 2013, 07:40:34 am
I once tried to do this with a joystick back in the day when I was in LL.

It was fun for a few days, but ultimately I had to go back to mouse. I felt weird gripping the joystick like a dick in my hands and waving it around.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Just A Random Pizza Guy on July 23, 2013, 06:05:56 pm
I once tried to do this with a joystick back in the day when I was in LL.

It was fun for a few days, but ultimately I had to go back to mouse. I felt weird gripping the joystick like a dick in my hands and waving it around.
Yeah, While it is fun after years of playing with a mouse and keyboard and the amount of movement I have to do on the controller has made my hands cramp up more than anyone could ever want. And I play my xbox quite frequently so It's not me not being used to the keyboard.

pretty hard in an actual duel tho. honestly I wish we could just bind specific keys to "block left" "swing right" etc. taleworlds suck balls, where the hell is m&b2.
We can't all be octopus(is that the fucking plural?) and play with 50 different key bindings.

Regardless I'm getting more and more hang of dueling and I can win a few here and there. Just like when you first start m&b it's hard as shit to block and attack, I'm slowly getting used to it and with time I think I'll be just as good as I was with a mouse+keyboard.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: AntiBlitz on July 23, 2013, 07:13:32 pm
Yeah, While it is fun after years of playing with a mouse and keyboard and the amount of movement I have to do on the controller has made my hands cramp up more than anyone could ever want. And I play my xbox quite frequently so It's not me not being used to the keyboard.We can't all be octopus(is that the fucking plural?) and play with 50 different key bindings.


Octopuses, Octopi, octopodes.
Title: Re: Playing Mount and Blade with an Xbox 360 controller.
Post by: Jarl_Onurb on May 09, 2014, 05:26:11 pm
I already configured the controller with JoyToKey and works perfect, except for cRPG, for some reason it work in every program i have tested it but it won't work in cRPG not even in the Launcher, it just don't do anything. Does anyone knows what can be the problem?


EDIT: Found the problem, just needed to start JoyToKey as an administrator.