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Off Topic => General Off Topic => Topic started by: Alec on July 17, 2013, 01:01:45 pm
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hi all,
I want to build my own desktop but i'm not sure of the parts. Someboy here who can help me?
The hardware and OS is listed below, but i'm not sure it fits with eachother and if the parts are ok.
I dont have a Graphic card listed at the moment cause i'm not sure wich one to choose. The motherboard has 2 PCIe x16 slots.
Also i would like 3 monitors but i'm not completely sure know how to connect them :) and if there are missing parts.
I want a pc that can easily play Crysis3 or Battlefield 3 at highest graphical settings but it also need a lot of calculating power if you know what i mean :) Feel free to add forgotten items ;)
Hardware:
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 (2x PCIe x16, onborad, SLI, CrossFire)
CPU: Intel core i7-3770k (3500 MHz)
Coolers: Zalman CNPS11X Extreme (x2) (socket: 775, AM2, AM2+, 1366, 1156, AM3, 1155, FM1, 1150)
HDD: Samsung HN-M101MMB (1 TB) (Ms/Cache/rmp: 12/8/5400)
SSD: Adata ASP900S3-128GM-C (Sata 600, SP900, MLC, TRIM)
Memory: Corsair 32GB DDR-1600 Quad-Kit (timings: CL10 10-10-27)
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster s22b350h (x3) (reaciontime 2ms) (resolution 1920x1080 pixels)
Desktop Adapter: Intel Pro/1000 GT
Powersupply: Zalman ZM700-GT
DVD/CD: Samsung SH-118AB/BEBE
Keyboard: Logitech Wireless Illuminated Keyboard K800
Audio: ASUS Xonar D2X/XDT (1x PCIe) (soundchip AV200)
Case: Aerocool Mechatron White Window Edition
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, Kali linux 64 bit.
Hope you can help, The_Restless_Killer.
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Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 (2x PCIe x16, onborad, SLI, CrossFire)
CPU: Intel core i7-3770k (3500 MHz)
Memory: Corsair 32GB DDR-1600 Quad-Kit (timings: CL10 10-10-27)
Desktop Adapter: Intel Pro/1000 GT
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If you are so rich, buy a GTX 690.
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32gig of RAM is such a waste of money (and RAM)
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hi all,
I want to build my own desktop but i'm not sure of the parts. Someboy here who can help me?
The hardware and OS is listed below, but i'm not sure it fits with eachother and if the parts are ok.
I dont have a Graphic card listed at the moment cause i'm not sure wich one to choose. The motherboard has 2 PCIe x16 slots.
Also i would like 3 monitors but i'm not completely sure know how to connect them :) and if there are missing parts.
I want a pc that can easily play Crysis3 or Battlefield 3 at highest graphical settings but it also need a lot of calculating power if you know what i mean :) Feel free to add forgotten items ;)
Hardware:
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 (2x PCIe x16, onborad, SLI, CrossFire)
CPU: Intel core i7-3770k (3500 MHz)
Coolers: Zalman CNPS11X Extreme (x2) (socket: 775, AM2, AM2+, 1366, 1156, AM3, 1155, FM1, 1150)
Memory: Corsair 32GB DDR-1600 Quad-Kit (timings: CL10 10-10-27)
Powersupply: Zalman ZM700-GT
As far as will it all work together it looks good...
Unless you're going to OC and do some serious video editing, graphic design etc I don't think you're ever going to benefit from its performance... Like driving a Ferrari around town.
Personally I think a I5 and 8GB RAM will be enough (over this you're just spending more money for something you're not going to use.) With that you will be able to play your games on the highest setting (an you could still OC and get yet more performance out of it but probably wouldn't be needed/used).
I would get 2x 4GB Ram modules (total of 8GB) then you have the possibility to upgrade to a total of 16GB is you ever wanted by just adding two more 4GB sticks (but if you are using over 6GB RAM I would be surprised.)
I would also get a better PSU (it's the most important part of any system). I would stick to corsair hx,tx,ax models only, seasonic, xfx or thermaltake toughpower series only. Which ever you choice I would make sure it comes with a minimum of 5/7 year warranty. Not 3 like the one you listed.
As for wattage, pick your graphics card first, this will determine the minimum wattage you need. (no point buying a 600W PSU then deciding you want to use crossfire and need a minimum of 800W)
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ok with 8GB RAM and a better PSU and an Asus GTX680-DC2O-2GD5 graphic card, the total cost is +/- 2000 euro. Is it worth it?
And yes i'llu se this PC for programming, and graphical design later on.
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Well, with that set-up you will be able to play the latest games for quite a long time..
If you're also going to be programming and doing graphical design then over time its use could effectively 'pay for itself'
But it entirely depends what you're using it for and how often you use it.. I mean if its to play cRPG and Battlefield 3 at the weekends then it's completely over kill and you could spend a lot less money to play these games on the highest setting. While if you are going to be using it everyday for the next 3 years then you will benefit from spending the extra money now because you won't have to upgrade an component later on.
Is this your first time building a computer? If so you have got a lot of expensive parts here you could damage...
If so, I would advise at the minimum reading through the tech forums on first time builds and watch a load of youtube videos on how to build (videos produced by the manufactures of parts... not some 8 year old american kid who doesn't know what they are doing, there are a lot of amateurs on youtube... check the quality of the filming, has it been done by a professional or a home camera).
However, the best option would be to have a friend who knows what they are doing supervise your first build.. not only could it save you a lot of time (doing things in the wrong order and having to redo everything) but it could save you from damaging a part.
Finally, before you buy anything, I would but a list (with links) of everything you plan to buy and what you plan to do with it on a tech site. Not only could people advise you further about which components but you may find they know a good site to order them from (a trust worthy company). Also they will be able to help you with any trouble shooting when you first set it up.
I recommend http://www.techguy.org/ it's a brilliant site with lots of very helpful people. Start a new thread in the hardware section called 'new build' or 'first build' which ever is the most appropriate for your skill level.
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RAM
If your planning on video editing or rendering etc (RAM intensive stuff), then getting 2 x 8gb (16gb) isn't a bad idea (as you then have space later on to upgrade if you need it). (Gaming is EASILY covered by 8gb = 2 x 4gb)
GPU
Also the GTX 680 = GTX 770
They are exactly the same other than the 770 is clocked higher stock (770 is also cheaper).
However, if your going to be using 3 screens, then a single gpu isn't going to be enough. A GTX titan can get a reasonable framerate, but it's very expensive. (You may be able to get away with it on battlefield though)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crysis-3-performance-benchmark-gaming,3451-7.html
Depending on your budget:
2 x GTX 770 SLI, ~£600 ~694 EURO
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-msi-gtx-770-gaming-pcie-30-%28x16%29-7010mhz-gddr5-gpu-1098mhz-boost-1150mhz-cores-1536
Not sure where you are located
You could look at 2 x GTX 780 if you can spend a little more (~£1000), or 2 x GTX 760 (~£430) if you want so spend a little less.
Brand is also important, some brands allow you to use watercooling, some do not. And some have great RMA services (if it breaks), while others do not.
NVIDIA wise:
EVGA seems to be the best all round - allows watercooling, great RMA, I think it has a department in germany.
MSI - Doesn't allow watercooling (voids warranty), great RMA again.
not really sure on the rest, ASUS is very good aswell, not sure about watercooling (I believe it allows it).
AMD wise:
swap EVGA with Sapphire, pretty much same story.
Power calc:
http://support.asus.com/powersupply.aspx
It is quite a large over estimate:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_780_review,9.html
CPU
3770k is the unlocked version, you can overclock it. The locked version (3770) is slightly cheaper, but you wouldn't be able to overclock it in the future.
Overclocking requires a decent motherboard and cooling (water cooling is often used). It will generally reduce the lifetime of the CPU and make it run hotter, but it will make it run faster.
The 3770(k) doesn't improve game performance that much currently, it's mainly if you use a lot of multi-threaded programs.
Since you mentioned programing and graphic design, it may be useful. (Also next gen consoles will be using 8 cores and focusing on multi-threading rather than brute force, so it may come in useful.)
Though it is quite a bit more expensive than the i5 (3570[k]) and if your mainly gaming, I'd go with the i5.
Your cooler seems good.
Motherboard
Not had much experience with asrock, but it seems to have a decent amount of sata III + PCIe 3.0 + USB 3.0.
Not sure how it would handle OCing though.
PSU
As Vermilion said, corsair is a decent make and the TX, HX and AX are very good.
Try to get one with the right wattage for your system and enough amps on the rail to cope with the graphics card(s). (Post if unsure)
Also getting a high efficiency is best. (How well it converts AC power from the mains -> usable DC power).
HDD
You could get a faster HDD (5400rpm isn't all that fast), but you do have an SSD, so not huge.
I have not heard of that SSD brand, might be worth looking into it.
Case
Not heard of the brand again, if it has high reviews + decent airflow and fans -> great.
I find Antec and Corsair cases are very good, but they often require you to purchase the fans seperately.
Silverstone are also good.
Finally, wireless keyboard??
Unless your playing 20ft away, wired!
(Slight input lag + changing batteries, up to you in the end obviously ;) )
PS: sorry for the wall :P
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thx for all the info guys, i'll look after it and change some things and keep this uptodate. i'm going to use this computer a lot in the near future as i'm studieng programming etc.. :)
btw, any ideas how to setup a dual boot? the tutorials on youtube etc are a bit confusing ;)
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thx for all the info guys, i'll look after it and change some things and keep this uptodate. i'm going to use this computer a lot in the near future as i'm studieng programming etc.. :)
btw, any ideas how to setup a dual boot? the tutorials on youtube etc are a bit confusing ;)
Pretty simple, basically when you first partition your SSD split it into two (one section for Windows and another for Linux)
I would install Windows first (easier as its not as dual boot friendly and will want to install as the primary OS) Linux will happily install as a second OS.
I would also give Windows a lot more space (especially if it's going to be your main OS) eg a 320 GB SSD I would give roughly 200Gb to Windows and the remaining ~100Gb to Linux. This is because Windows uses a lot more memory and is more temperamental about the amount of remaining space.
Then when you boot you will have the option of which OS to use. Remember Linux is very good at dealing with other OS.. So if there is files and info you want available on both OS I would save it on Windows (this means you don't necessarily need to have two copies of everything on your HDD which will save you a lot of room)
As I said earlier only use YouTube videos from reliable computer manufactures (parts, programmers etc)
And check forums/blogs etc.. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dualboot-windows-linux-oss-computer/ http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony
PERSONALLY - I don't bother with dual boot.. I have a 4GB, 32GB and a 64GB flash drive each has a different Linux on.. I just plug and go when needed, but that's because I don't require linux very often :)
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so, this is what i got now:
cooling: Two 'Zalman CNPS11X Extreme (pwn connection)'
GPU: Two 'Sapphire HD 7850 OC (11200-14-20G) (2x DVI, HDMI, Display Port, CrossFireX)
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770k (socket 1155) (FC-LGA4, ivy bridge)
*Boxed cooler ATX layout, PWM
Case: Aerocool mechatron white window edition
*Fan 200mm
*Fan 120mm
HDD: Seagate ST2000DM001 (2 TB) (sata 600, barracuda 7200.14)
SDD: ADATA ASP900S3-128GM-C, 128GB (SATA 600, SP900, MLC, TRIM)
RAM: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit (CML16GX3M2A1600C10, Vengeance LP, XMP)
Motherborad: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 (FW, RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX)
*Intel® Z77 PCH
*USB 3.0 Controller
*USB 2.0 Controller
*Realtek ALC898
*Broadcom BCM57781
*CPU depending
PSU: Antec HCG-900 (4x PCIe, 900 watt)
Optional: DvD drive, 3 screens: samsung Syncmaster s22b350h.
So, i'm not sure about the PSU and the motherboard. i read some reviews about the Moderboard and it seems to work well with the i7-3770k, OC'd up to 4.2
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Pretty simple, basically when you first partition your SSD split it into two (one section for Windows and another for Linux)
do modern linuxi not require a swap partition anymore these days ? O_o
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Wouldn't go dual AMD GPU, has significant micro-stutter. (The time difference between frames isn't constant, you may get 60 per second, but there may be half a second between some and 1ms between others)
Also cooler wise, do you mean getting two fans for the cooler? or two coolers?
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i heared from a friend i need atleast 2 GPU if i would use 3 monitors. i would like to have 2 coolers, dunno if it fits with the fans
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Get two Nvidia, not AMD.
Single AMD are great, not dual though :/.
Also those coolers are CPU coolers, only one will fit. It goes right ontop of the CPU (make sure your case is wide enough).
There isn't anywhere to put another, what you need is fans, probably 120mm ones.
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lol i'm confused now :p whats the best option: 1 amd, or 2 nvidia?
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do modern linuxi not require a swap partition anymore these days ? O_o
Don't need one but they are recommended if you are using a lot of active data (running lots of memory demanding programs at once).
I'm pretty sure it's all covered by the linux install though (so no longer a manual process).
For The_Restless_killer see - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
i heared from a friend i need atleast 2 GPU if i would use 3 monitors. i would like to have 2 coolers, dunno if it fits with the fans
2 GPU in crossfire yes (Think you can get up to 6 monitors with a top of the range single graphics card.. but it's a lot better with dual)
You can only have 1 CPU cooling unit not 2. For cooling it's mostly about the case. You need a fan intake at the front and a fan out take at the back, a CPU cooler and your graphics cards will come with their own fans also (this is minimum, some cases can have a lot more fans.) So if you want more cooling you have to pick a different case... Big cases with lots of fans is the coolest way to go.. but take up a lot of room and the more fans you have running the more noise it will make.
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lol i'm confused now :p whats the best option: 1 amd, or 2 nvidia?
If you're running multiple monitors, playing games and doing graphical design I would go for 2 nvidia.
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pick Nvidia, God wills it! ;)
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You need 2 GPUs:
2 AMDs have microstutter
2 Nvidias have less microstutter
Pick 2 Nvidia GPUs. (Same type)
GTX 760 or GTX 670 should both be quite cheap and decent (670 should be better, but might be harder to get)
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alright got 1 cooler, 2 fans (200mm and 120mm), 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW (02G-P4-2678-KR)
thx for the support guys, really appreciate it :D
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You may be able to get 2 x GTX 770 for roughly the same price as 2 x 670s.
Worth a look.
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<looks into his crystal ball>
hi all,
I built my pc from parts suggested here, but it isn't working. I think it has power because I hear a fan running, but nothing is coming on. Can anyone help me figure out what might be wrong? I spent an assload of money and now have a functional brick.
Hope you can help, The_Restless_Killer.
Why not look at someplace like CyberPowerPC? It has the best *build-your-own* area of all of those sites that Ive found. Once you have your build, then you can shop it around. At least that way you will know you have chosen compatible parts and aren't going to fry a $1000 card because you failed to ground properly.
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you might have a look at http://www.alternate.co.uk/html/configurator/builder/pc/page.html