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Title: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 08:48:22 pm
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best crpg build or best crpg build EVER

It's been a grind but being able to get rid of the "You don't have enough wpf" penalty has been a spiritual transformation for me. I'm a better person now.

This is what dedicated throwing is about. No shields. No compromises. No melee.
I want a throwing weapon with an 11 difficulty. 4 slots. One shot. A boulder, or at least a pole with a plate glove on the end. Crushthru. 100b.

I had 13 PT before the wpf nerf, but 11 is still pretty good. I wonder how fucked up my build will get after the wpf overhaul.
I was stuck on level 33 for more than a year so I don't think I'll ever see 35. What should I spend those leftover points on? I was thinking 3 riding and 1 Horsey Archer. 4 PS would be a waste and I refuse to take a cowardly shield
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Malaclypse on July 16, 2013, 08:50:36 pm
I think with 4WM you should be fine and dandy after the overhaul. I hope. I know it's been a long tough road from 33, but kudos for not giving up on your dreams! Also, no way is 4 PS a waste! I'm not sure how much a difference 1 HA would make personally.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Chasey on July 16, 2013, 08:51:08 pm
Quote from: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 08:48:22 pm
I wonder how fucked up my build will get after the wpf overhaul.

Don't hold your breath
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 08:52:48 pm
Quote from: Chasey on July 16, 2013, 08:51:08 pm
Don't hold your breath

but holding my breath is like the cheapest way to get high  :cry:
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Vodner on July 16, 2013, 08:59:02 pm
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4 PS would be a waste and I refuse to take a cowardly shield
4 PS is the difference between being utterly incapable of defending yourself in melee (especially factoring in the -15% damage penalty for 1 WPF), and being able to deal enough damage to reliably interrupt your enemy.

3 riding is just a quick way to get yourself boxed in by enemy cav. I don't think I've ever seen a horse thrower do well in battle.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Turboflex on July 16, 2013, 09:03:50 pm
congrats artie.

I remember how GTX mad you were when you hit 33 and couldn't access your 11th PT bonus cuz of wpf, glad you finally resolved it.

You can still do some damage with 4 PS and no wpf just grabbing any weapon lying around. 4 IF never hurts, will help you stay alive longer sometimes. The riding would be fun for trolling.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 09:04:59 pm
Quote from: Vodner on July 16, 2013, 08:59:02 pm
I don't think I've ever seen a horse thrower do well in battle.

There have been some, but I think they took a lot more riding and horse archery points than I'd be able to.
I wish I'd saved the points that I put into athletics; if I had those, then I could give myself enough riding and horse archery. Yeah, if I can ever afford a trainer respec, I'll go down to just 2 athletics, then I can have 4 riding and 2 HA. Not gonna retire and start over though, the grind was too long to redo
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Teeth on July 16, 2013, 09:08:03 pm
Am I the only one too weirded out by the ads on the screenshot to actually read the build?
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Taser on July 16, 2013, 09:18:56 pm
Quote from: Teeth on July 16, 2013, 09:08:03 pm
Am I the only one too weirded out by the ads on the screenshot to actually read the build?

Weird? They're hilarious. I like how he took the time to photoshop them.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Royans on July 16, 2013, 09:38:22 pm
So, 4 athletics, low wpf , 11 PT, hm Which means : No Armor, No much dodging abilities, can u even survive more than 30s in battle? lol ahaha
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on July 16, 2013, 10:23:56 pm
Finally, Artie.
Riding and horse archery sound alright.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 10:32:08 pm
Yeah, but I can either go two and two in riding and HA, or 3 riding and one HA...or I could dump it all in riding and just come to a stop before firing. Most of the good horses are all 5 riding, though, and I'll never get that.
Guess I'll test with a stf :P
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Vibe on July 16, 2013, 10:32:58 pm
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Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Macropus on July 16, 2013, 10:47:58 pm
4 PS, obvoiusly.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 10:55:16 pm
Hmm, I heard that throwing doesn't use HA at all anymore, but I read the patch notes and it seems like it's also possible that HA still effects throwing but that now there's a negative penalty to the HA modifier for Xbow only and NOT for throwing.

So there's a chance I don't need any HA...i'll use my stf to try to test and see, take one with no HA...
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Kelugarn on July 16, 2013, 10:56:24 pm
3 riding 1 HA. I've respecced to horse thrower and it's amazing with just 6 PT 0 HA, I can only dream about how 11 PT 1 HA would feel.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 16, 2013, 10:56:51 pm
Well with the recent patch, they removed HT from needing HA skill if I'm correct.

Urist: - added HA skill malus to xbow and removed it from throwing

So you might be fine with no HA and 4 riding?
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 11:04:34 pm
but didn't ha already effect xbow accuracy while riding? which makes me think that the "malus" is really an extra penalty
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Lt_Anders on July 16, 2013, 11:11:42 pm
Quote from: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 11:04:34 pm
but didn't ha already effect xbow accuracy while riding? which makes me think that the "malus" is really an extra penalty

Not sure. Maybe get in touch with someone? The malus for HA was a decrease in accuracy and decrease in damage. Which, HX may NOT have had it. (that was the .3.0.1, the hotfix, made the malus BIGGER, so I believe it can be changed?)
Urist: - made HA penalty for HX bigger
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Falka on July 17, 2013, 12:24:50 am
With 4 riding u can get steppe horse which is really good horsie :P so go for 4 riding :P
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Kalam on July 17, 2013, 01:35:34 am
So Takei.

I don't often play in EU, but when I do, I'll know to avoid you.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: oreshy on July 17, 2013, 01:46:59 am
3 riding ...palfrey & 1ha = funny & not that bad as it sound's. speed with accuracy as ht'er = win.

or 4 riding ...steppe & 0ha = good for small, hilly , city maps. with much manouver & minor speed ..you don't need ha.

it's up to your playstyle.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Mlekce on July 17, 2013, 02:27:31 am
4 riding is not worth it,you need at least 6 to be dicent enough. You don't need speed,you need maneuver,and with 3 or 4 riding you are gonna maneuver as you are driving a 200 meters long boat,not horse. It is going to be such a fail.
Get ps or get shield instead. :D
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: brunoII on July 17, 2013, 02:53:51 am
With eleven in the throwing should be so! :D


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Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Radament on July 17, 2013, 03:00:25 am
Quote from: dontgothere on July 16, 2013, 08:48:22 pm

 What should I spend those leftover points on?

convert 2 skillpoints and go for 35 str !!!
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Smoothrich on July 17, 2013, 04:34:05 am
HA skill reduces Archery WPF even when dismounted, I assume the patchnotes means it does that for XBow WPF as well, and no longer Throwing
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Tojo on July 17, 2013, 04:55:45 am
Quote from: Royans on July 16, 2013, 09:38:22 pm
So, 4 athletics, low wpf , 11 PT, hm Which means : No Armor, No much dodging abilities, can u even survive more than 30s in battle? lol ahaha

lol apparentley this guy has not been on NA2 when Artie is on :?
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on July 17, 2013, 05:14:23 am
Wow congrats man! Been a long time coming!  :mrgreen:

I'd got with 4 IF or 4 PS personally, most preferably the PS. You could definitely do some damage with that much! 
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 17, 2013, 03:15:08 pm
If you wanna HT I seriously advice going 4 riding over 3 riding and 1 ha, a steppe horse is a million times better than a rouncey.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 17, 2013, 05:26:52 pm
Quote from: brunoII on July 17, 2013, 02:53:51 am
With eleven in the throwing should be so! :D


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Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Strudog on July 17, 2013, 05:32:08 pm
Quote from: Royans on July 16, 2013, 09:38:22 pm
So, 4 athletics, low wpf , 11 PT, hm Which means : No Armor, No much dodging abilities, can u even survive more than 30s in battle? lol ahaha

Quote from: Tojo on July 17, 2013, 04:55:45 am
lol apparentley this guy has not been on NA2 when Artie is on :?

NA in a nutshell
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 17, 2013, 05:48:41 pm
Quote from: strudog on July 17, 2013, 05:32:08 pm
NA in a nutshell

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Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 17, 2013, 07:27:06 pm
HT still needs HA, i tried it.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 17, 2013, 07:43:52 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on July 17, 2013, 07:27:06 pm
HT still needs HA, i tried it.
HT doesn't need HA, I play it.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: dreadnok on July 17, 2013, 08:10:48 pm
Throwing is a joke regardless
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Macropus on July 17, 2013, 08:20:38 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 17, 2013, 07:43:52 pm
HT doesn't need HA, I play it.
Now way, HT needs HA. And HA needs HT... They need each other!

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Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: oreshy on July 17, 2013, 09:12:32 pm
Quote from: Macropus on July 17, 2013, 08:20:38 pm
Now way, HT needs HA. And HA needs HT... They need each other!

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..absolutely correct - i'm still in love with ha.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 17, 2013, 09:57:31 pm
lol marcopus, he meant you don't need "horse archery" the skill, not "horse archer" the class
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Macropus on July 17, 2013, 10:12:18 pm
Yeah I know, guess this "need = love" wordplay just doesn't work in english properly.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on July 17, 2013, 10:34:35 pm
I think it does, crazy just failed to see it :)
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 18, 2013, 04:11:35 am
Quote from: Macropus on July 17, 2013, 10:12:18 pm
Yeah I know, guess this "need = love" wordplay just doesn't work in english properly.
Nah, cracka is just silly.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 18, 2013, 03:26:09 pm
I understand that need can mean "love" or some variant, that's not what I was referring to :P  I'll give an example:

Zlisch needs me, sexually.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 18, 2013, 03:48:35 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 17, 2013, 07:43:52 pm
HT doesn't need HA, I play it.

Hm, i tried it after the patch and there was a major difference between 0 HA and 3 HA.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Memento_Mori on July 18, 2013, 03:52:23 pm
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Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 18, 2013, 03:57:50 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on July 18, 2013, 03:48:35 pm
Hm, i tried it after the patch and there was a major difference between 0 HA and 3 HA.
Ofc there is a nice difference, but it isn't really needed, 'nor is it even half as good as 4 riding vs 3 riding
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: Gravoth_iii on July 18, 2013, 05:09:39 pm
Quote from: Zlisch_The_Butcher on July 18, 2013, 03:57:50 pm
Ofc there is a nice difference, but it isn't really needed, 'nor is it even half as good as 4 riding vs 3 riding

I was hoping that theyd remove the need for HA completely, because the difference was pretty big.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: oreshy on July 18, 2013, 05:41:52 pm
Quote from: Gravoth_iii on July 18, 2013, 05:09:39 pm
I was hoping that theyd remove the need for HA completely, because the difference was pretty big.

indeed ... to reduce the penalty of damage while mounted is a nice thing - but not reduce the penalty of accuracy while galloping the other thing.

otherwise .. for me it's more as logical to keep up the ha "need" for accuracy ..throwing is still ranged.

it's ok as it is now.
Title: Re: Eleven Power Throw. Level 34.
Post by: //saxon on July 18, 2013, 06:06:47 pm
i like how there is 34+ xD