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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Redstonerz on May 08, 2011, 04:19:03 am

Title: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Redstonerz on May 08, 2011, 04:19:03 am
As of now some peaple can spam there huge two handers faster then a man with a one hander, this is ridiculous. something needs to be done to balance this.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Seawied on May 08, 2011, 04:21:50 am
This is not the case.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Digglez on May 08, 2011, 04:28:37 am
drop 2h/pole speed by 15-20 each and give them some sort of cleave/block breaking abilities
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Xant on May 08, 2011, 04:29:47 am
Drop 2h/pole speed by 50 each and damage by 50%. Ha! That'll show them!
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Seawied on May 08, 2011, 04:34:02 am
Quote from: Digglez on May 08, 2011, 04:28:37 am
drop 2h/pole speed by 15-20 each and give them some sort of cleave/block breaking abilities

No.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: DrKronic on May 08, 2011, 04:36:45 am
welcome to the game, first try to learn to play plz, you've just arrived after the 5th(6th?) 2h nerf is as many months?
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Cyclopsided on May 08, 2011, 04:44:23 am
1handers are faster in game than poles and 2hs.

If this game's attack speed went any slower it would be annoying to play...

You are probably just assuming that since their attacks are hitting first due to being logner than 1hs, that they are faster -- combined with hesitating after blocking on your counter swing.
Or you are getting circled and are losing to footwork, not spam.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on May 09, 2011, 11:40:26 am
Amagad that 2h guy killed me, such a meanie, and ofcourse it wasnt my fault at all! I am perfect, it must be that they are op, nerf nerf NERF HIM TO THE GROUND! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: _GTX_ on May 09, 2011, 02:42:59 pm
Dude are you freaking serous?.... the 2h swords just got a big nerf. :rolleyes: This thread clearly just looks like a rage thread because they kill u.

The fact that they hit first is because that you get circled. Maybe the fact that they do footwork against you, Or you maybe have a fail build? :rolleyes:

1h does nearly the same dmg as a fucking 2h. And the speed on 1h is ridicolous, trust me i can just spam people with 1h in duels, even with 1 wpf.

Lets try comparing the stats.

Long Espada Eslavonaweapon
speed rating: 99
weapon length: 103
thrust damage: 28 pierce
swing damage: 27 cut

German Greatsword
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 123
thrust damage: 25 pierce
swing damage: 38 cut

Look at the stab dmg, and the speed is way faster. And this is a little tiny 1h, while the other is a actual 2h. These weapons aint supose to have the same stats. The 1h got a shield with it, which you just have to rightclick to block. And the length is nearly the same. And the German is one of the biggest 2h swords out there.

Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Vibe on May 09, 2011, 03:04:45 pm
Be amazed at how fast your awesome bar can drop.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Siboire on May 09, 2011, 07:40:29 pm
1-h is in fact almost as fast (if not as fast) as 2-h... it's cuz u have a shield that you think you are slower. Whenever you block with ur shield, u run slower (penalty to athletics/running speed as soon as you RMB). Also you can counter but u'll be much slower than somebody that manual blocked. It's the price u pay to have an auto-block/protection of projectiles. I'm currently 1-hander with this gen and I simply hate it... until you have a decent 5-6 athletics everybody can "footwork ur ass" and slash u in the back or side. I guess I'll return polearm next gen  :?  was doing much better ...  :twisted:
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Spawny on May 09, 2011, 09:14:24 pm
Don't be like me and stop at 12 agility and combine it with a heavy board shield. Makes you slow as fuck.

Has nothing to do with the speed of polearms or 2h weapons.

Imo, this is the first time I really feel the game is as balanced as it could be. Some maps favor some builds, but in the end everybody has an equal chance.
I've seen shielders, 2h, polearms, cav, archers an crossbowmen at the top of the scoreboards. Whenever 1 class hits the top a lot, it's mostly cRPG veterans who would kick my ass at level 4 with a club anyway.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Lech on May 09, 2011, 11:45:50 pm
Quote from: Spawny on May 09, 2011, 09:14:24 pm
Don't be like me and stop at 12 agility and combine it with a heavy board shield. Makes you slow as fuck.

Has nothing to do with the speed of polearms or 2h weapons.

Imo, this is the first time I really feel the game is as balanced as it could be. Some maps favor some builds, but in the end everybody has an equal chance.
I've seen shielders, 2h, polearms, cav, archers an crossbowmen at the top of the scoreboards. Whenever 1 class hits the top a lot, it's mostly cRPG veterans who would kick my ass at level 4 with a club anyway.

Yes, it feel way better balanced than ever before. But there are still some issues.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2011, 12:06:07 am
The real issue aren't really 2h or polearms imo, it's how fast you can become by stacking agility. Up to a point at which strength is useless, that is. Everything apart crushthrough, which isn't really a good playstyle, favors agility over strength.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Keshian on May 10, 2011, 02:09:46 am
Drop the shield and you will swing way faster than 2handers with a 1hander.  You choose to use a crutch, expect some tradeoffs.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Redstonerz on May 10, 2011, 03:06:14 am
okay, this was not a rage thread, im just a new player seeking other opinions, now i understand that its fine as it is and not op considering the poll results.  No need to nerf my awesome bar. plus after playing awhile and gathering some skill i dont think their op at all (mabye some which are fully agility but most are okay)
Thanks for voting  :D


This was very funny, and partially true.
Quote from: Fluffy_Muffin on May 09, 2011, 11:40:26 am
Amagad that 2h guy killed me, such a meanie, and ofcourse it wasnt my fault at all! I am perfect, it must be that they are op, nerf nerf NERF HIM TO THE GROUND! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Seawied on May 10, 2011, 04:26:58 am
 :shock:

Holy crap.


Did he just gracefully change his opinion rather than rage at the internet?!??!?!?! I've heard about people doing this, but never actually seen it done.

You sir, get a +1!
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Thucydides on May 10, 2011, 05:13:30 am
+1 for being a good sport and changing your opinion
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: 7000bc on May 10, 2011, 07:10:32 am
Such grace I have only heard but legends of.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: UrLukur on May 10, 2011, 09:54:12 am
Katana is too fast, maybe longsword and bastard swords too. Claymore should be bit slower, along with the rest of greatswords, maybe long axes could use some minor speed decrease. But overall weapon balance is better than ever.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Thucydides on May 10, 2011, 10:16:21 am
Quote from: UrLukur on May 10, 2011, 09:54:12 am
Katana is too fast, maybe longsword and bastard swords too. Claymore should be bit slower, along with the rest of greatswords, maybe long axes could use some minor speed decrease. But overall weapon balance is better than ever.

maybe one speed point, but god my long axe is slow enough :(
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: UrLukur on May 10, 2011, 10:53:29 am
Quote from: Thucydides on May 10, 2011, 10:16:21 am
maybe one speed point, but god my long axe is slow enough :(

Yeah, one point of speed. And perhaps one point of damage. Then playtest it, and it should prove to be balanced.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2011, 01:51:55 pm
"Short story about how to get positive awesomebar in two days"

 :mrgreen:

About this, I will just quote myself, as it seems my first post wasn't noticed :

Quote from: Kafein on May 10, 2011, 12:06:07 am
The real issue aren't really 2h or polearms imo, it's how fast you can become by stacking agility. Up to a point at which strength is useless, that is. Everything apart crushthrough, which isn't really a good playstyle, favors agility over strength.

Any reactions ?
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: EponiCo on May 10, 2011, 02:36:17 pm
Oh, I noticed it but I disagree.
The advantages of str are great, you take more hits and need less hits to kill enemies (you might not notice this vs an individual because you do 80% instead of 70% per hit, but in a group this really shows). Swing speed is nearly identical, for agi build you get more movement speed. Which should not be underestimated but I'd consider high str better killer build, while agi is more a skirmisher.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Razzen on May 10, 2011, 03:13:09 pm
Quote from: Seawied on May 10, 2011, 04:26:58 am
:shock:

Holy crap.


Did he just gracefully change his opinion rather than rage at the internet?!??!?!?! I've heard about people doing this, but never actually seen it done.

You sir, get a +1!

His still a new player to cRPG, it will come, in time  :wink:
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Penitent on May 10, 2011, 06:25:46 pm
Stamina in this game would be awesome.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Siboire on May 10, 2011, 06:47:09 pm
Quote from: Garison on May 10, 2011, 06:25:46 pm
Stamina in this game would be awesome.

This is something that was discussed a long time ago and it seems like only a minority thinks it's a good idea... The only thing you can do against a spammer is back pedal to teamates or block once and spam his ass too if your fast enough :/
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Zotte on May 10, 2011, 08:51:47 pm
Quote from: Siboire on May 10, 2011, 06:47:09 pm
This is something that was discussed a long time ago and it seems like only a minority thinks it's a good idea... The only thing you can do against a spammer is back pedal to teamates or block once and spam his ass too if your fast enough :/
Or just not suck.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Siboire on May 12, 2011, 10:02:14 pm
By spammer, I mean a real "good" spammer, not some kind of noob that just swing always in same direction.  You can keep those kind of comments to urself. Personnal attacks to another player by saying he's skilless is kinda lame.
Title: Re: 2 Hander Weapons And Poles Are Way To Fast And OP
Post by: Gristle on May 13, 2011, 04:36:08 pm
Quote from: Garison on May 10, 2011, 06:25:46 pm
Stamina in this game would be awesome.

It's a terrible idea. The last thing we need is a mechanic that limits and slows down combat.

Quote from: Siboire on May 12, 2011, 10:02:14 pm
By spammer, I mean a real "good" spammer, not some kind of noob that just swing always in same direction.  You can keep those kind of comments to urself. Personnal attacks to another player by saying he's skilless is kinda lame.

The real problem with spammers is their opponents. It's impossible to spam someone that actually fights back. Also, if the spammer is blocking/chambering your attacks at all, they're not really spamming. They are legitimately fighting. That's just simply being outclassed.

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