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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Christo on January 07, 2011, 08:36:18 am
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Everything is in the title, it's a gamebreaking weapon, as a footman, you are lucky if you can avoid it, but countering it with a pike is impossible. And it's a new trend, everyone has one of these, it's pissing off a lot of players, not just me.
There are some EZ mode weapons, but this is the worst of all, I would be happy if this weapon sees a nerf, or leaves cRPG.
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It can't do anything other than couch. I have no problems with it.
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Well, good for you, but when 2 heavy cav charges at you with those..
Yes, it can couch only, but it's still overpowered.
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It's perfectly possible to stop a couched LoC with a pike.
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It's perfectly possible to stop a couched LoC with a pike.
Only from certain angles.
And since horses are like guided missiles with their current maneuverability its impossible to get that correct angle on any non stupid horseman.
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I agree, great long lance should go, its unstoppable coz of its lenght.
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I always disliked the Lance of Compensation as it has insane range and a slight mouse turn allows you to easily hit even aware enemies.
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even if its not overpowered its just a silly weapon. its easy enough to get kills with great lance. a 382 length weapon is just retarded, please remove it.
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I agree, cav don't need them and they look retarded
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give me an even longer pike and we're even
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Biggest problem for me personally has been that it has screwed hitboxes. I have many times avoided the lance only to be killed anyway.
It has to go :evil:
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A lot of cav using it as there are a lot of people with pikes. But you can do the same with great lance if you are skilled enought. I would support remove it.
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The pike is there to confront cav with great lance else it would be OP like this new ridiculous lance.
So yea remove it.
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The pike is there to confront cav with great lance else it would be OP like this new ridiculous lance.
So yea remove it.
Actually it's not new, but I can understand that you feel so, as before it was barely used, but now it advanced to a rather popular weapon. Though I don't know why, I still use my heavy lance, in direct combat circumstances must be perfect they beat me with the great long lance. :?
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You really can't get many kills with this. Couching only so you need a large amount of flat ground, and if you miss your intended target it's going to take maybe 30 seconds before you can do another pass. Plus, you're nearly incapable of fighting against other cav.
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With everyone and their brother carrying a pike along with whatever shield and main weapon they want, its no suprise the LoC is popular amongst cav atm. But it is heavily situational and the slightest bump in the terrain can fuck it up.
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As a horse lancer using this it is incredibly situational which is why i carry other weapons as well. It tends to be a bit unwieldy and the hit-boxes on it seem a bit off to me, but that might be a lag issue to do with the speeds I go with my courser (Sometimes i see the tip go through someone). The cooldown timer is ridiculously long and other cav easily dodge it. It is a weapon build almost specifically for anti-archery which currently is a problem because of the archers damage nerf. But if an aware archer stands his ground and can count a hit on either the rider, or the horses head while the horse is at full gallop trying to one shot the archer, the speed bonus seems to make that a 1 shot kill, at least in my experience (and if the archer is at least in his 20's for levels).
I am unsure if this speed bonus mechanic actually works in this fashion, this is just my personal experience with being one shot, or having my horse one shot from under me by an aware archer. This also assumes that due to upkeep these horses are the unarmored variety and the riders are in medium mail with a mid tier helm and the archer lands a decent shot.
I was actually thinking about downgrading down from the long to the regular great lance because of these hit-box issues and how unwieldy and slow the mechanics of it seem to be. I think the length is both a strength as well as a weakness and it takes a lot of practice to get good with the weapon, but i don't feel that it is so imbalanced that it needs to be removed. I would be willing to accept an increase in price however.
Before calling for a nerf because you died x amount of times from one type of weapon, make an alt and try it out for yourself, that's what I do and it makes you gain a real appreciation for how other people can get really good with their class setup.
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As a dedicated cav guy, i say remove that shitty weapon for good. It outranges EVERYTHING in this game and doesn't require much skill to use (don't try to prove me wrong), with a light horse you can easily just couch it once, run away and repeat with no risk. In massive cav vs cav fights it brings total randomness, because no matter how good you are , you can't always see 3-4 LoC coming from different directions.
There's already enough lances in cRPG : fast and short lance/light lance/spears, medium heavy lance, great lance for couching (still longer than heavy lance, but unused because LoC is miles longer). There is absolutelly NO reason for this weapon to be in the game. Period.
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Everything is in the title, it's a gamebreaking weapon, as a footman, you are lucky if you can avoid it, but countering it with a pike is impossible.
Really? I've never had any problems. Chouched weapons are generally very easy to dodge or outmaneuver.
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Technically speaking it either needs to go or we need a proper counter since regular pike is too short. Adding longer pike would mean that inf vs inf combat would be affected too (people using longer pike for stabbing other footmen) so out of these two solutions removing the lance is better.
Cav is easymode enough without it.
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Agreed, I want LoC to be removed too. I can headstab pikeman with heavy lance, this is unnecassary.
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It is completely irrelevant how effective the LoC is in total: the pure fact that there is a chance to kill a pikeman who is aware of you is enough of a reason to take it out. Period. :?
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Remove it.
Pikes are one of few ways of protection a footman has against cavalry. If you're a cav, you're not supposed to go directly on a guy holding a pike. You have to be creative. This weapon takes that creativity away. I've seen many idiots abuse it, never good cavs like Ujin do such a thing. LoC is truly a weapon for those with short d****, they need something long to compensate their lack of proper tool and technique to use it.
And please don't say I'm a cav and you're footman, I win, you QQ. Everyone is a cav these days, everyone has cheap horses, everyone has lances. It's not like it's used to be pre patch. Only reason why I'm not on horse these days is that I'm trying to collect as much gold as I can and even 6k horse can be costly for me sometimes. Cavarly isn't easy mode like it used to be but it still gives you mobility which in many cases can save your life (on foot you would certainly die in these situations).
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As a dedicated cav guy, i say remove that shitty weapon for good. It outranges EVERYTHING in this game and doesn't require much skill to use (don't try to prove me wrong), with a light horse you can easily just couch it once, run away and repeat with no risk. In massive cav vs cav fights it brings total randomness, because no matter how good you are , you can't always see 3-4 LoC coming from different directions.
There's already enough lances in cRPG : fast and short lance/light lance/spears, medium heavy lance, great lance for couching (still longer than heavy lance, but unused because LoC is miles longer). There is absolutelly NO reason for this weapon to be in the game. Period.
I totally agree, it's just a silly weapon. I have been playing on EU4 BT2 lately and somehow there seem to be a lot of maps with huge open plains (sometimes you have to walk for over a minute to actually encounter a tree) and you're just screwed if one of those LOC guys wants you dead and you dont carry 3 shields or something. Also because there were usually around 20-30 people in that server, one of those lances could really change the outcome of the battle by simply picking everyone off one by one.
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You really can't get many kills with this. Couching only so you need a large amount of flat ground, and if you miss your intended target it's going to take maybe 30 seconds before you can do another pass. Plus, you're nearly incapable of fighting against other cav.
So false. Make a courser with riding 6 with the LoC and some polearm wpf. With the courser insane sped, you an couch easily. And what's better against a slow plated charger than a LoC couched wich OS it.
Remove the LoC, its existence is just stupid.
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You really can't get many kills with this. Couching only so you need a large amount of flat ground, and if you miss your intended target it's going to take maybe 30 seconds before you can do another pass. Plus, you're nearly incapable of fighting against other cav.
Well you got more than one weapon slot :wink:
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Technically speaking it either needs to go or we need a proper counter since regular pike is too short. Adding longer pike would mean that inf vs inf combat would be affected too (people using longer pike for stabbing other footmen) so out of these two solutions removing the lance is better.
Cav is easymode enough without it.
As i don't like Ozwan, i agree with him totally in this case.
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As a player who plays cav and uses the (in my opinion) already ridiculously good (short) great lance, I agree that the Lance of Compensation should go.
I get pleeeeenty of kills with the great lance I don't even want to think about how over-poweredly retarded I would be using an LoC.
I personally won't use it as I feel it looks ridiculous, is overpowered, and fulfills a balance breaking role by out-ranging pikes with little to no risk or player skill needed. The normal great lance is already very long and fills the role of the long range couching cavalry weapon.
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Removed in next item update.
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Removed in next item update.
Very good news there, cmpx! :wink:
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But what about people that have it now in inventory?
They will get gold for that or need to sell it by themself?
And what about heirloomed lances? I did that when I start to playing crpg, yes - my mistake, it don't need any upgrades but I was a beginner ;)
Can I upgrade different item or I will just lose it?
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itt scrubs who cant jump over lances and pike the rider
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It's a broken weapon and needs to go.
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itt scrubs who cant jump over lances and pike the rider
itt people who dont know how warband hitboxes work
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itt people who dont know how warband hitboxes work
They are random!
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IT'S GONE! REJOICE!
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If you have one, sell it quick or I imagine it's just gonna disappear. Currently it's still in the shop.
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it was changed to Long Awlpike in inventory
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teehee The Lance is pretty annoying, but I generally don't have too many problems with it. I do agree that it's not a pretty sight to behold. The horsemen look pretty retarded nowadays.