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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: pepejul on July 10, 2013, 09:23:42 am

Title: genious idea about horses !
Post by: pepejul on July 10, 2013, 09:23:42 am
Make them slowed by wound.... should be funny  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Prpavi on July 10, 2013, 10:10:12 am
Genius!
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Post by: Strudog on July 10, 2013, 10:26:29 am
and buff archers even more?
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: the real god emperor on July 10, 2013, 10:27:42 am
What Pepe said is already in Diplomacy mod for Single Player. I think you guys should try it, because it makes sense. :D
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: JackieChan on July 10, 2013, 10:28:15 am
Theres already this system in Persistent World mod, its fustrating as horseman but really nice if you are a range trying to pew pew a running horse  :D
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 10, 2013, 10:29:05 am
Make them slowed down this way:

[speed loss] = [percentage HP lost] x [0.1]

That way you can never lose more than 9.9% speed. Else I think this feature would be too annoying for cav players.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Strudog on July 10, 2013, 10:30:54 am
if the same logic applys then do it for inf as well
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 10, 2013, 10:40:19 am
Quote from: strudog on July 10, 2013, 10:30:54 am
if the same logic applys then do it for inf as well

And for archers to have a lower shooting speed the more arrows they have shot. It's to represent how their nail polish is suffering from the constant drawing, and how they look at it, complaining and bitching around how their nails get ruined or even cracked. Which of course lowers their rate of fire.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Gnjus on July 10, 2013, 10:54:41 am
Quote from: Prpavi on July 10, 2013, 10:10:12 am
Genius!

That should be Pepe's new Forum Title.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 10, 2013, 10:56:16 am
Quote from: Gnjus on July 10, 2013, 10:54:41 am
That should be Pepe's new Forum Title.

I'd prefer "Pee pee"...
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Tzar on July 10, 2013, 11:03:23 am
Go away trolls.... Begone!!!
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: darmaster on July 10, 2013, 11:04:21 am
i'll give you a genius idea for one horse: give a backbone to arabian whorehorse, just this, it'll make me really happy :l
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: pingpong on July 10, 2013, 11:30:28 am
Quote from: pepejul on July 10, 2013, 09:23:42 am
Make them slowed by wound.... should be funny  :rolleyes:
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Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 10, 2013, 11:35:26 am
+1 for IT crowd.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: obitus on July 10, 2013, 12:38:46 pm
lance cav got nerfed ~7 times in a row.  whats 8 gonna do?
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Post by: Tibe on July 10, 2013, 12:45:05 pm
IT Crowd best comedy eva!
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Post by: Radament on July 10, 2013, 01:34:18 pm
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Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 10, 2013, 04:19:31 pm
Quote from: strudog on July 10, 2013, 10:30:54 am
if the same logic applys then do it for inf as well

Came to say this.

Make infantry run slower if they are hurt.  Also make them swing weaker or not able to pull the bow back as far.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Nehvar on July 10, 2013, 05:19:04 pm
Quote from: pepejul on July 10, 2013, 09:23:42 am
Make them slowed by wound.... should be funny  :rolleyes:

Yenius!
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Sagar on July 10, 2013, 05:45:35 pm
If you hit (with running horse) a fence, wall, tree, etc. - then let the horse lost a part of health.
In this way, cavalry will not rush with full speed and smack infantry to the wall, as they do now.
Also, if rider fall of the horse make him loose some health.

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Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: njames89 on July 10, 2013, 06:16:59 pm
Just noticed this thread. I think this is a really good idea. Adds realism.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Butan on July 10, 2013, 06:37:43 pm
If this gets added, cav needs to be buffed in other places to stay balanced, such as :


- put back native lance's angle of attack on horseback

and/or

- buff the resilience of horses (HP/armor), especially those with low armor AND low HP


And as Joker said, the speed malus should be "capped", so that a horse with black bar HP isnt at 0.1% of his speed, but like 50% or more.



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If you hit (with running horse) a fence, wall, tree, etc. - then let the horse lost a part of health.
In this way, cavalry will not rush with full speed and smack infantry to the wall, as they do now.
Also, if rider fall of the horse make him loose some health.


When a horse hits an object, it rears and is very easy to take down by archers from afar and infantry/cavalry close.
When a horseman fells off his horse he is also very easy to finish on the ground.

If you want to add damage to those 2 scenarios, then the horses shouldnt rear when it hit something, and the horseman should get up way faster, else its just completely unbalanced toward cavalry.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Riddaren on July 11, 2013, 01:04:00 am
Quote from: Sagar on July 10, 2013, 05:45:35 pm
If you hit (with running horse) a fence, wall, tree, etc. - then let the horse lost a part of health.
In this way, cavalry will not rush with full speed and smack infantry to the wall, as they do now.
Also, if rider fall of the horse make him loose some health.

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Most cavalry players wants this. It has been suggested many times before.
It would just make riding more challenging which would be a good thing.

But sadly it has not yet been implemented.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Swaggart on July 11, 2013, 09:35:01 pm
Why stop at just slowing down?

If you get hit in the leg, you shouldn't be able to walk anymore. Same goes with arms, can't hold that 2h anymore with that bolt running through your hand. Getting hit in the head with anything should immediately render you concussed and unable to see. What else, a horse that runs you down should shatter most of your bones, especially if its an armored one.

I could go on, but I'd rather just say leave the fucking game as it is.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: elvis1325 on July 16, 2013, 09:13:28 pm
Quote from: strudog on July 10, 2013, 10:30:54 am
if the same logic applys then do it for inf as well
I support this, if your character takes an arrow to the knee, he must forever be a town guard/defender in siege mode and nothing else until he gens.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: pepejul on July 16, 2013, 09:27:31 pm
and muted forever if arrow in chin !  8-)
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Axel Raby on July 16, 2013, 09:52:01 pm
For a lot of You guys it makes sense, but not for me. The fact is, when a horse was hitted in battle, let's say by an arrow, it didn't slow down. It was running even faster, becase of the big adrenaline that wound gave it. Any additional wound was like an steroid. Of course, it didn't last long - the horse died in action, or just survived the battle and noticed, that it was hurt.

 If You guys really want this game to be realistic in 100%, or close to that, Plated Chargers, horses with an armor of plates on it, or any at all, should be removed aswell. In medieval times horses weren't 'dressed' with armor - not even with, let's call it, a 'cloak' of cloth. Horses with heavy armor, or any at all, were used only in tournaments - just because it made them slow and un-manouverable.

So, in my opinion, it shouldn't be added to the game.

Greetings!

<it's a wall of text, so sorry in advance for any mistakes>
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 16, 2013, 10:08:44 pm
Quote from: Axel Raby on July 16, 2013, 09:52:01 pm
If You guys really want this game to be realistic in 100%, or close to that, Plated Chargers, horses with an armor of plates on it, or any at all, should be removed aswell. In medieval times horses weren't 'dressed' with armor - not even with, let's call it, a 'cloak' of cloth. Horses with heavy armor, or any at all, were used only in tournaments - just because it made them slow and un-manouverable.

Not that I'd care a lot about that topic here, but your statement above is simply false. There are numerous historic depictions of battles, all showing horses with different levels of armour, depending on the time they depict. Especially with the rise of improved ranged weapons and long polearms, armour for horses became a must.
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Post by: Axel Raby on July 16, 2013, 10:24:02 pm
I was talking about medieval ages around year 1410, specifically about Battle of Grunwald. I read articles of some historians about equipement of knights, who have fought in this battle, and nothing there was written about horse armor - there were said, that they had no armor at all. The speed of the horse, and it's manouverability was crucial on the battlefield.

What you've said is probably true, but not in the times that I thought and wrote about.

I don't know what to write more, anyway - thanks for the discussion.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 16, 2013, 10:48:09 pm
Quote from: Axel Raby on July 16, 2013, 10:24:02 pm
I was talking about medieval ages around year 1410, specifically about Battle of Grunwald. I read articles of some historians about equipement of knights, who have fought in this battle, and nothing there was written about horse armor - there were said, that they had no armor at all. The speed of the horse, and it's manouverability was crucial on the battlefield.

What you've said is probably true, but not in the times that I thought and wrote about.

I don't know what to write more, anyway - thanks for the discussion.

I guess this was a single special case, and most likely the book was referring to the Lithuanians, because I am quite sure most of the Polish (at least their knights) and the Teutonics (I guess almost every knight and probably many of their sergeants and Halbbrüder/"half brohters") did armour their horses.

I found this (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/hors/hd_hors.htm) link after short googling, and you could probably find many more if you spend some time.

This is not aboout correcting someone or showing how badass my historic knowledge is (because it is not), I just don't want you to remain with wrong information, as I think the whole matter is really interesting and deserves some attention and further research. So that's basically it for me now, as I made my point clear.

We agree that the OP should rather not be implemented, by the way.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: pepejul on July 16, 2013, 10:50:25 pm
that isn't tournament armoured horse...
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Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: elvis1325 on July 16, 2013, 10:54:37 pm
In fairly sure armor for horses were used in that era, as joker said, with advances in weaponry armor for horses became a must. And guns weren't common enough to make armored horses obsolete. The cataphracts of the Byzantines and the teutonic knights used barding a lot, a simple cloth protects against an arrow a lot more than nothing. They did have lighter cavalry for speed which had no barding, I know the winged hussars (when are these guys from again? 1500s I think)  didn't use barding and they had huge armor. I guess it depends heavily on place and time.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Axel Raby on July 16, 2013, 10:59:34 pm
Quote from: Joker86 on July 16, 2013, 10:48:09 pm
I guess this was a single special case, and most likely the book was referring to the Lithuanians, because I am quite sure the Polish and the Teutonics did armour their horses.

As I think about it now - probably yes, because of the needed crushing power of the cavalry charge, to break through enemy lines.

Quote from: Joker86 on July 16, 2013, 10:48:09 pm
I found this (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/hors/hd_hors.htm) link after short googling, and you could probably find many more if you spend some time.

What I want to say - I didn't really focus on the horse armor in medieval times, but more overall about battles and all of those knights fighting with each other. If something that I said is false - sorry then, but I remembered that when I was reading some article. At list I wasn't wrong in 100%. Thanks for the discussion.

Greetings.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Joker86 on July 16, 2013, 11:03:18 pm
Quote from: Axel Raby on July 16, 2013, 10:59:34 pm
What I want to say - I didn't really focus on the horse armor in medieval times, but more overall about battles and all of those knights fighting with each other. If something that I said is false - sorry then, but I remembered that when I was reading some article. At list I wasn't wrong in 100%. Thanks for the discussion.

Greetings.

You're welcome. We are just discussing and talking. I invite you to join the historic discussion forum, we have some interesting topics going on there, currently we are talking about how melee really was in the middle ages.
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on July 16, 2013, 11:15:00 pm
Just some general info to get you started (about horses in the middle ages and armor on horses):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_the_Middle_Ages
Title: Re: genious idea about horses !
Post by: Prpavi on July 17, 2013, 12:24:28 pm
Quote from: CrazyCracka420 on July 16, 2013, 11:15:00 pm
Just some general info to get you started (about horses in the middle ages and armor on horses):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barding

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_the_Middle_Ages

It's really difficult to find an authentic horse armor, most of in on display nowdays is from tournaments.

I recently visited Musée de l'Armée in Paris with an incredible amount of armors both horse and human, but most of them were tournament armors.

Infact only armors I saw that were actually used was half of a Ghotic plate and a Memeluk horse, rest was all 15/16 century tourney armor. Oh and the kickass Samurai armors and katanas  :mrgreen: