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Title: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Osiris on July 09, 2013, 07:14:49 pm
Posted in another thread and it wasn't really on topic :o

Now that we have nudge my suggestion (if its even possible) is to introduce the spiked Targe which does damage on nudge.
The shield is small and is not the strongest shield so i think it could be balanced.

my suggested stats are these

Spiked Targe

Weight: 4.5
Body armour: 12
Difficulty: 3
Hit points: 200
Speed Rating: 90
Shield Width: 68 (same as nordic/leather coverd shield)
Thrust Damage: 15 Pierce (less than all the daggers and as your open to being hit when you nudge it isnt that high IMO)

Cost: 3000

obviously the stats are just taken from a quick look and i cant see anything OP.


From wiki

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Targes are generally, but not always, round shields between 18 in and 21 in (45–55 cm) in diameter. The inside of the targe was formed from two very thin layers of flat wooden boards, with the grain of each layer at right angles to the other. They were fixed together with small wooden pegs, forming plywood. The front was covered with a tough cowhide, which was often decorated with embossed Celtic style patterns. This was fixed to the wood with many brass, or in some cases, silver, nails, and occasionally brass plates were also fixed to the face for strength and decoration. Some targes had center bosses of brass, and a few of these could accept a long steel spike, which screwed into a small "puddle" of lead that was fixed to the wood, under the boss. When not in use, the spike could be unscrewed and placed in a sheath on the back of the targe. A Highlander was usually armed with a broadsword or dagger in one hand and a spiked targe on his other arm for close combat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targe

Some pics

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Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 09, 2013, 07:20:22 pm
I like the idea, although I don't think nudges have speed bonuses of any sorts.

So I think the damage would be too high to just do that much every time it hits.  It would have to be something low.  Although, I believe the damage aspect of it would be part of the nudge itself, not the shield.

I am not saying it is impossible, but it is a lot harder then it may seem.

In my opinion, if this were to come out the shield will have to have a slow speed rating as well and lower damage.  Maybe like 5-10 pierce damage

Nice idea though.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Duster on July 09, 2013, 08:30:41 pm
INB4 13 shield skill targe nudge invincible stun locking death machines
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Osiris on July 09, 2013, 08:40:39 pm
except you don't block when you nudge so would be easily 1 hit
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Man of Steel on July 09, 2013, 08:56:11 pm
Good Idea, but you should can block it.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Konrax on July 10, 2013, 02:24:06 am
Strength and power strike should effect the damage then.

To balance it make some crappy shields with a spike in the 3-4 shield range, better ones in the 6+ shield range
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Built on July 10, 2013, 03:48:53 am
Hope you're not talking about my post...
Yes a Targe would be chill, but considering that powerstrike isnt really how hard you hit, but your ability to hit hard, i would say only strength (being strength affects nudge anyways)
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Jarold on July 10, 2013, 06:55:32 am
Don't we nudge with the under side of the shield though in this game? We don't use the front of the shield so we would need a new animation to make it work.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 10, 2013, 01:06:48 pm
Don't we nudge with the under side of the shield though in this game? We don't use the front of the shield so we would need a new animation to make it work.

Blocking nudge uses the face of the shield.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Shadowren on July 10, 2013, 05:04:51 pm
It would be op since nudges are currently unblockable. Its a good idea but the nudge system needs to be fixed first  :D
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 10, 2013, 05:09:22 pm
It would be op since nudges are currently unblockable. Its a good idea but the nudge system needs to be fixed first  :D

I wouldn't go so far as to say "Fix" it.  I feel it is fine.  Just tweaks here and there maybe.  Nudges are kinda blockable actually (If you have a shield)  The nudge will not push you as far and the stumble lasts a shorter amount of time if you have a shield raised when you get nudged.

That was why I was thinking of making so it ONLY does damage on Shield blocking nudges with REALLY low damage.  5 pierce will not go through armor and it will damage those who do not wear a lot.  Which is what a Targe was effective for.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Konrax on July 10, 2013, 05:19:06 pm
The shield blocking nudge as actually quite tricky to land
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Paul on July 10, 2013, 05:41:22 pm
A spiked shield would deal damage on attack and defend nudge with the current anims.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 10, 2013, 05:45:12 pm
A spiked shield would deal damage on attack and defend nudge with the current anims.

Careful Paul, you know what comes after this?  "SPIKED GLOVES PLOX"
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: elvis1325 on July 10, 2013, 09:48:55 pm
Careful Paul, you know what comes after this?  "SPIKED GLOVES PLOX"
SPIKED BOOTS PLOX so I can do pierce damage on kicks.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Jarold on July 10, 2013, 09:51:07 pm
Oh! I thought he meant a shield bash with a spike, carry on.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 10, 2013, 10:13:29 pm
Imo the shield bash should do damage of its own as it really hurts when you get a shield rammed up your face and shield bash is relatively hard to land as of now [not to mention useless because before you have a chance to strike your foe already blocks].
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 10, 2013, 10:16:35 pm
Imo the shield bash should do damage of its own as it really hurts when you get a shield rammed up your face and shield bash is relatively hard to land as of now [not to mention useless because before you have a chance to strike your foe already blocks].

You must still be a fairly new to the game.  (If not I apologize for assuming)

Shield bash is a great utility.  It is not meant to give you a free hit.  It is used to throw people off timing.  Interrupt their flow and otherwise just messing up what they had planned.

It is helpful for loosening up a player so your team mate can hit him.  Getting him to stop spamming feigns so you can get a hit in without a worry.  It is a lot more useful then you think.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on July 10, 2013, 10:51:49 pm
You must still be a fairly new to the game.  (If not I apologize for assuming)

Shield bash is a great utility.  It is not meant to give you a free hit.  It is used to throw people off timing.  Interrupt their flow and otherwise just messing up what they had planned.

It is helpful for loosening up a player so your team mate can hit him.  Getting him to stop spamming feigns so you can get a hit in without a worry.  It is a lot more useful then you think.
That is, if you land the facehug range and slow ass defend and neutral nudges.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 10, 2013, 10:56:10 pm
You must still be a fairly new to the game.  (If not I apologize for assuming)

Shield bash is a great utility.  It is not meant to give you a free hit.  It is used to throw people off timing.  Interrupt their flow and otherwise just messing up what they had planned.

It is helpful for loosening up a player so your team mate can hit him.  Getting him to stop spamming feigns so you can get a hit in without a worry.  It is a lot more useful then you think.

you usually dont get to use this thanks to constant overhead 2h spam and the fact that team mates cant usually use this opening properly
That is, if you land the facehug range and slow ass defend and neutral nudges.
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Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 10, 2013, 10:57:15 pm
That is, if you land the facehug range and slow ass defend and neutral nudges.

True.  It does involve timing.  Although, I only nudge when I am being crowded and I need something quicker then an attack or need to interrupt someone.  It is also helpful for getting yourself out of tight spaces.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 10, 2013, 11:02:59 pm
True.  It does involve timing.  Although, I only nudge when I am being crowded and I need something quicker then an attack or need to interrupt someone.  It is also helpful for getting yourself out of tight spaces.
no, just no. you dont get to get out of tight spaces, when enemy corners you, you are dead. when you shield bash, you: A: flinch them a bit and you will get into same situation B: you get hit as soon as you press V OR their team mate, which is pretty common in siege, kills you as soon as you press V.
                                               
                                                                                                 
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Necrorave on July 10, 2013, 11:08:07 pm
no, just no. you dont get to get out of tight spaces, when enemy corners you, you are dead. when you shield bash, you: A: flinch them a bit and you will get into same situation B: you get hit as soon as you press V OR their team mate, which is pretty common in siege, kills you as soon as you press V.
                                               
                                                                                               

You obviously are still new to the game.  Your assumptions are wild and your logic is incredibly silly.

As a shielder, I have been put in many situations where I was in a tight spot against more than one player and survived.  Sometimes I even beat them all back.

Just because You are not able to do it, does not mean it is impossible.

I can agree that it can be hard to land a shield bash against an experience player.  Although that is what practice does.  It makes you better.

Play the game more before getting rash about something you obviously do not have enough experience doing.

EDIT: Back on topic.  The only thing I will agree with shield bash is the delay after getting hit by an attack.  That can be rather annoying.  Although, that has to do with animations.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Nightmare798 on July 11, 2013, 01:49:08 am
You obviously are still new to the game.  Your assumptions are wild and your logic is incredibly silly.

As a shielder, I have been put in many situations where I was in a tight spot against more than one player and survived.  Sometimes I even beat them all back.

Just because You are not able to do it, does not mean it is impossible.

I can agree that it can be hard to land a shield bash against an experience player.  Although that is what practice does.  It makes you better.

Play the game more before getting rash about something you obviously do not have enough experience doing.

EDIT: Back on topic.  The only thing I will agree with shield bash is the delay after getting hit by an attack.  That can be rather annoying.  Although, that has to do with animations.
sure get cornered by a guy with bardiche and another one with maul, get outta that, kill em both and post a vid, then i will believe you. your assumption that you will somehow alone defeat 2h spam in corner with shield bash is stupid beyond comparsion. i play this game about one year and i tell you, getting cornered with shielder with no allies around equals death.
Title: Re: Spiked Targe Shield (damage on nudge)
Post by: Osiris on July 12, 2013, 07:25:17 pm
now now take your epeen contests out of the suggestions forum :D