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Strategus => Strategus General Discussion => Topic started by: Knute on June 19, 2013, 12:35:49 am

Title: A bigger map?
Post by: Knute on June 19, 2013, 12:35:49 am
If there's ever another version of strat, I'm curious what people would think about playing on a much larger map, something like this:

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Or would it be better to keep things the way they are now or even revert back to one map?

Also, if there was a larger map like pictured above, should it have all fiefs on every map like the current EU map or the same amount of EU/NA fiefs as now but spread out further?  Maybe a large section of the map reserved for a Chinese server as well?
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Keshian on June 19, 2013, 12:37:21 am
Looks cool.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: arowaine on June 19, 2013, 01:09:24 am
look boring would have to many territory for the few strategus player...in the other hands would be nice different kind of war etc
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Casimir on June 19, 2013, 01:32:31 am
A larger map, with the same troops gain, would mean smaller garrisons and possibly a less defensive meta game.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Penguin on June 19, 2013, 02:20:45 am
First we would need to be able to travel around the map as if it were a globe, enable traveling over water and naval battles, and new maps for battles that take place in the hills, tundra, forests, etc.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Knute on June 19, 2013, 03:27:50 am
Quote from: arowaine on June 19, 2013, 01:09:24 am
look boring would have to many territory for the few strategus player...in the other hands would be nice different kind of war etc

One benefit of more territory though, more people would be able to have their own fiefs so it'd give them something to do.  We'd see a greater variety of equipment during battles too if more people could loom/discount things they liked.  I'm sure a lot of the larger factions have people lose interest in strategus because there's nothing left for them to do on the map except troop farm once all the fiefs are doled out. 

Also, having a bigger map could lead to more fluid wars with villages changing hands more often since they'll be harder to defend if you have to spread your troops around like Casimir mentioned.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Gmnotutoo on June 19, 2013, 03:33:31 am
Quote from: Knute on June 19, 2013, 03:27:50 am
On the other hand, more people would be able to have their own fiefs so it'd give them something to do.  I'm sure a lot of the larger factions have people lose interest in strategus because there's nothing left for them to do on the map except troop farm once all the fiefs are doled out. 

Also, having a bigger map could lead to more fluid wars with villages changing hands more often since they'll be harder to defend if you have to spread your troops around like Casimir mentioned.


EU 1, NA 1 are for mega factions. EU 2, NA 2 for smaller factions.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Butan on June 19, 2013, 04:30:55 am
Pros :

- less stacking
- more overextension
- more landgrab opportunities



Cons :

- less tension
- less players traffic
- more travel time



I would prefer we deal with the stacking in other ways... the Cons are great and could give strategus a bland taste.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on June 19, 2013, 07:02:22 am
If we should have bigger maps they should imo not be mirrors of the regular map, but an entirely new map. WITH BOATS
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Vovka on June 19, 2013, 10:47:34 am
How about 1 map to each clan?

Quote from: Casimir on June 19, 2013, 01:32:31 am
A larger map, with the same troops gain, would mean smaller garrisons and possibly a less defensive meta game.
no,
no point in wars
more time for start war,
cos stacking garrison will take more time


just game need more ppls with brain who can take all that random whiners from forum
 and leed them to the glorius victory  :P

or more frendly strat for brainless noobs  :P
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Haboe on June 19, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
Map like that would give even more gold and fiefs per player...


Not all of us live in the USA, so we know that bigger is not always better ;)
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Vovka on June 19, 2013, 12:19:32 pm
Quote from: Haboe on June 19, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
Map like that would give even more gold and fiefs per player...


Not all of us live in the USA, so we know that bigger is not always better ;)
it's just an excuse for your small PP  :P
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Harpag on June 19, 2013, 12:34:01 pm
Current map is too big for our community, but you noobs want it even bigger. Just  :rolleyes:

Smaller map = more motivation to fight
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Knute on June 19, 2013, 06:50:01 pm
Quote from: Harpag on June 19, 2013, 12:34:01 pm
Current map is too big for our community, but you noobs want it even bigger. Just  :rolleyes:

Smaller map = more motivation to fight

It seems more like smaller map = static trench warfare with troops piling up making castles/towns impossible to attack.

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I'm just saying that strategus is like a game of checkers right now, options for how you can play are very limited.  Increase the size of the world and we might see more fluid warfare, maneuvering and different dynamics since it'll be impossible for the same large factions to monopolize all the territory like they do every round. 

With a larger map, people could go off into a distant corner and have the viking vs space samurai theme battles/wars they always wanted, other people who only want to fight wars against their friends where the battles all take place between 6 to 9pm PST could go off into another corner and play strat that way, etc etc. 

If you like strategus the way it currently is and other people do as well, you could all stay in one map and keep on doing what you're doing but a larger map would give the rest of us the option to step outside that box.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Torben on June 19, 2013, 06:57:26 pm
china yay
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Butan on June 19, 2013, 07:59:56 pm
Quote from: Knute on June 19, 2013, 06:50:01 pm
It seems more like smaller map = static trench warfare with troops piling up making castles/towns impossible to attack.

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I'm just saying that strategus is like a game of checkers right now, options for how you can play are very limited.  Increase the size of the world and we might see more fluid warfare, maneuvering and different dynamics since it'll be impossible for the same large factions to monopolize all the territory like they do every round. 

With a larger map, people could go off into a distant corner and have the viking vs space samurai theme battles/wars they always wanted, other people who only want to fight wars against their friends where the battles all take place between 6 to 9pm PST could go off into another corner and play strat that way, etc etc. 

If you like strategus the way it currently is and other people do as well, you could all stay in one map and keep on doing what you're doing but a larger map would give the rest of us the option to step outside that box.


I got only 2 things to say that solves the issues you want to resolve with a bigger map :

- AFK'ers, AFK'ers everywhere! the map seems "tight" but there is so many people that stopped playing, or dont care a lot, that the borders are pretty much open everywhere, except where its really hot (warzones, the few factions that can send patrols) so there is still a lot of manoeuvrability.
- the 1/3 rule, if modified to let any 1500+ armies attack anything, would greatly increase the rythm at which we spend troops and would guarantee that factions stays relatively weak (except if they are beast at diplomacy and have great luck)



Then, I'm sure that if the cRPG/Strategus sequel is great, the playerbase will be x100 superior, then it would be a very good idea to enlarge the map/mirror more or decrease travel time.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: KaMiKaZe_JoE on June 20, 2013, 12:47:28 am
I would like the idea of more maneuverability in Strat warfare, as a result of a larger map... However, that doesn't really get us much right now, does it? More empty space would be boring.

Geography isn't enough of a predictable factor for strategic movement on the map to matter. Maneuvering in relation to hills, forests, rivers, and the like would be amazing and breath life into field battles once more. Commanders would need to consider terrain, for once.

But right now, movement on the strat map isn't fun, and the random maps are not predictable--it's just something that takes time and only really matters in so far as the distance between important things (players, armies, fiefs) is concerned. It's distance, and major (major) geographic shit like mountains and big ass forests, and they matter little outside of large-scale choke points.
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Or not. I have no idea how to play fucking Strat. As it is, the only fun parts are battles and collecting gear for one's army; watching it improve in the nerdy, RPG sense of things.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Harpag on June 20, 2013, 01:46:44 am
Quote from: Knute on June 19, 2013, 06:50:01 pm
It seems more like smaller map = static trench warfare with troops piling up making castles/towns impossible to attack.

larger map = no economic pressure for conquest = stagnation = grinding = static trench warfare with troops piling up making castles / towns impossible to attack = international day of world peace

Quote from: Knute on June 19, 2013, 06:50:01 pm
strategus is like a game of checkers right now

rather like chess, therefore game is so great, but I prefer faster matches

larger map - no
higher activity of players - yes
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: partyboy on June 20, 2013, 04:41:21 am
Strat fiefs should give a bonus in crpg other than a title, right now the only crpg bonus you can get from them is selling them for crpg gold/looms.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on June 20, 2013, 09:34:59 am
A larger map would mean longer travel time. Less people would visit and buy at your fief. Mirrored map means more battles at the same maps, not new and different battles.

As it is now, the strategus/duel servers are usually pretty busy. They would need to host more strategus servers or delay battles to keep up the pace. Strat battle rosters would be much more competitive if there were multiple important battles at the same time. Payout cap would have to be increased to let hiring armies bid for important players. I don't see this improving strat much.

What I would like to see is a completely new map with new fiefs. This would require mappers to create dozens of new (but also properly balanced) town, castle, and city maps. That's unreasonable given the playerbase and number of active mapmakers.

As much as I love new and different battle formats, I don't see this x4 mirrored map doing much to change that.
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Corsair831 on June 20, 2013, 01:38:02 pm
nice idea but too many provinces for too few players

the situation we have at the moment in EU with the eastern and western powerblocks, if one side were to win every single one of it's battles starting today, it'd still take that side well over a month to conquer the other side. And that's with them winning every battle, as it stands they're almost 50/50*

*(if you ignore the fact that the coalition is getting it's ass handed to it. lolololololol)
Title: Re: A bigger map?
Post by: Turkhammer on June 23, 2013, 01:11:41 am
Quote from: Haboe on June 19, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
Map like that would give even more gold and fiefs per player...


Not all of us live in the USA, so we know that bigger is not always better ;)
Don't be jealous, not everyone can be lucky you know.