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cRPG => Beginner's Help and Guides => Topic started by: Sagremore on May 06, 2011, 08:33:46 pm
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I am trying to build a Polearm/Light Cav I want to be able to wield a decent pole-arm on the ground when horses aren't viable(shields not likely/necessary). But I am looking to find out how I should build my stats.
And aside from that how can I perfect my ability to hit people with my polearm when on horse back. I have seen alot of hate for couching unless the target is heavily armed, so I am just looking for general tips.
Thanks in advance
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I think the general concenses will be put more points into 1h than polearm. You only need 75-90'ish polearm to do some damage from horseback.
Keep targets on the right side of you, ver left away from the target and stab them with a big arc from lance
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I am trying to build a Polearm/Light Cav I want to be able to wield a decent pole-arm on the ground when horses aren't viable(shields not likely/necessary). But I am looking to find out how I should build my stats.
And aside from that how can I perfect my ability to hit people with my polearm when on horse back. I have seen alot of hate for couching unless the target is heavily armed, so I am just looking for general tips.
Thanks in advance
Don't listen to the dude who posted above me. Wpf is crucial to your damage, as well as your dismounted performance.
Anyways, I'd suggest going:
At lvl 31
18 Strength
18 Agility
6 Powerstrike
6 Ironflesh
3 Shield Skill
6 Riding
5 Weapon Master
I personally use the Heavy Lance and a Quarter staff as a sidearm. You can shift some points between skills.
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And aside from that how can I perfect my ability to hit people with my polearm when on horse back. I have seen alot of hate for couching unless the target is heavily armed, so I am just looking for general tips.
Practice. There's really not that much to hitting people than getting your timing right, but here's just a few tips. Turn your horse to the left at the right moment and the lance to the right. This removes its head out of the range of enemy weapons. Play with your speed, you don't have to go top speed always. Top speed gives you more damage, but also the enemy when he hits you ... logically if you have hit the enemy heavily once, if you come at slow speed it will still be enough to kill him but if you get hit it's a far lower risk to be oneshotted, it also screws up timing.
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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 60
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 2
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 5
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 148
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
i'm doing liek this with sarranid horse, heavy lance and shortened spear as sidearm. using heater shield on horseback, and glaive+board shield on foot on cav un-friendly maps.
Hitting people just takes timing, which takes practice
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The above build seems to focus too much on shield skill instead of ironflesh imo. While the build gets the message that powerstrike is more important than riding, I think with that low amount of health you will be very vulnerable.
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know i'm noob but wtf is imo?
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know i'm noob but wtf is imo?
In my opinion.
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I use Torp's build as far as stats go, except with 140 wpf in 1her and 70ish in polearm. Knightly heater, lance and espada (screw not having a proper sidearm). Huscarl when going pure shielder. Worked a couple of generations ago, still works post-patch. Gotta love functioning hybrids.
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This is all good stuff thanks guys, I will have to consider but I think I am liking the torp build but I do agree with less shield skill and + iron flesh.
Thanks all
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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 60
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 2
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 5
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 148
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
i'm doing liek this with sarranid horse, heavy lance and shortened spear as sidearm. using heater shield on horseback, and glaive+board shield on foot on cav un-friendly maps.
Hitting people just takes timing, which takes practice
Whoohoo, awesome build! :)
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Whoohoo, awesome build! :)
guess where i have it from? hmm.... tough one :D
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Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 15
Hit points: 60
Skills to attributes: 2
Ironflesh: 2
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 5
Athletics: 5
Riding: 5
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 5
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 148
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
i'm doing liek this with sarranid horse, heavy lance and shortened spear as sidearm. using heater shield on horseback, and glaive+board shield on foot on cav un-friendly maps.
Hitting people just takes timing, which takes practice
hmm mine is a bit better I guess, just take away that one poin from str and ath and put it into IF so you arent as bristle as a ninja...
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hmm mine is a bit better I guess, just take away that one poin from str and ath and put it into IF so you arent as bristle as a ninja...
Yes, our dueling sessions earlier today proved your build is far superior to Torps/mine.
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18/18 is still the way to go if you want to be a true hybrid. Having 6 of every stat is just awesome.
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18/18 is still the way to go if you want to be a true hybrid. Having 6 of every stat is just awesome.
This fish speaks the truth.
I roll the same build and it's awesome.
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18/18 is great for horse and on foot.
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Decide wether you want to make a build for level 30 and retire again at 31 or make a level 31 build. Karp's build is for level 31...
Anything between 24/12 and 12/24 is usable as a pole cav build. I forgo IF to max out the other, more critical skills (Powerstrike, Shield, Athletics, Riding and Weapon mastery). If you want the build to be 'finished' at level 30, you convert 2 skill points into 1 attribute point.
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Decide wether you want to make a build for level 30 and retire again at 31 or make a level 31 build. Karp's build is for level 31...
Anything between 24/12 and 12/24 is usable as a pole cav build. I forgo IF to max out the other, more critical skills (Powerstrike, Shield, Athletics, Riding and Weapon mastery). If you want the build to be 'finished' at level 30, you convert 2 skill points into 1 attribute point.
Well, Ironflesh is an underestimated imo. I had the same opinion in the past, that it was useless, but the difference between 0 and 6 if is amazing. Especially with the buff to hp lately. 12/24 just downright lacks power, 24/12 lacks enough weapon master to be effective in heavy armour.
My build is for level 31, yup, got that right. I'll go 21/18 if I ever get to level 34 xD.
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Agreed, i guess you are right. In my shield-heavy builds there is no room for IF, but i agree it's an important and underestimated skill. Also agreed that the 24/12 and 12/24 builds are a bit gimpy. 18/18 with all except shield or riding at 6 is still my personal favorite cav build for retiring, though.
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I got shield at 3, it's fine, if you want it at 4, one point of ironflesh isn't gonna hurt much.
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21/18 is an extreme pure cav build. You need to give up on a lot of skills, it can be difficult to play sometimes but i like it a lot.
Next retirement i will try this, now i have a little different build (this one is for lvl31 while now i have a lvl30 build)
* Strength: 21
* Agility: 18
* Hit points: 70
* Skills to attributes: 6
* Ironflesh: 7
* Power Strike: 7
* Shield: 0
* Athletics: 0
* Riding: 6
* Horse Archery: 0
* Power Draw: 0
* Power Throw: 0
* Weapon Master: 6
* Polearm: 157
This one is more a heavy cav build with heavy lance, backup polearm and a slow horse, but can used effectively also by a light lancer.
Heavy lance is slow as hell so you need to put all your wprof in it. If you want to do the 1h/pole hybrid i suggest using a light lance or a lance.
With so much prof you can also use effectively the heavy lance with heavy armour.
No shield, so i can bring an hafted blade or some other 2slots polearm. Also no Ath so i can put points in IF wich is good, without shield you will take a lot of arrows.
6 Riding is also nice and you can see it's faster then 4 o 5 riding, especially when climbing hills.
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Yep... nice and indeed extreme cav build Sharky, but i'd never go for a 0 athletics build myself. I think it's best to try and make builds that are good on foot and on a horse.
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21/18 is an extreme pure cav build. You need to give up on a lot of skills, it can be difficult to play sometimes but i like it a lot.
Next retirement i will try this, now i have a little different build (this one is for lvl31 while now i have a lvl30 build)
* Strength: 21
* Agility: 18
* Hit points: 70
* Skills to attributes: 6
* Ironflesh: 7
* Power Strike: 7
* Shield: 0
* Athletics: 0
* Riding: 6
* Horse Archery: 0
* Power Draw: 0
* Power Throw: 0
* Weapon Master: 6
* Polearm: 157
This one is more a heavy cav build with heavy lance, backup polearm and a slow horse, but can used effectively also by a light lancer.
Heavy lance is slow as hell so you need to put all your wprof in it. If you want to do the 1h/pole hybrid i suggest using a light lance or a lance.
With so much prof you can also use effectively the heavy lance with heavy armour.
No shield, so i can bring an hafted blade or some other 2slots polearm. Also no Ath so i can put points in IF wich is good, without shield you will take a lot of arrows.
6 Riding is also nice and you can see it's faster then 4 o 5 riding, especially when climbing hills.
Cut 4-5 in IF, put in ATH and voila, you have a decent on foot build too.
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Yes giving up on IF and put more points in Ath is probably the best. Or just convert less points doing a 21-15 or 18-18
But if you plan have the most fun while you use heavy lance + heavy armours and heavy horses (you have to avoid to be dehorsed) while not giving up on high riding (6 riding means fast even with a chata), high PS (with 7ps you 1shot a lot) and survivability (IF and the high strenght) my build is the way to go :wink:
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Well, i've decided not to retire anymore, and i've settled on this build for lvl 32;
Equipment:
Heavy lance
Heater shield
1H cleaver
Light Kuyak
Nordic huscarl helmet
Splinted greaves with spurs
mail mittens
Stats:
Level 32 (17 784 806 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 4
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 4
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 50
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 153
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
great for both cav and on-foot (siege in start ie.)
the 50 1h wpf doesnt take much away from polearm, so it's fine with MW eavy lance, and it is extremely nice to be able to use 1h on foot when you also have a shield.
btw, it is upkeepable if you have a high average multiplier, but you mgiht loose some money if you dont.
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Well, i've decided not to retire anymore, and i've settled on this build for lvl 32;
Equipment:
Heavy lance
Heater shield
1H cleaver
Light Kuyak
Nordic huscarl helmet
Splinted greaves with spurs
mail mittens
Stats:
Level 32 (17 784 806 xp)
Strength: 21
Agility: 18
Hit points: 56
Skills to attributes: 4
Ironflesh: 0
Power Strike: 7
Shield: 4
Athletics: 6
Riding: 6
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 6
One Handed: 50
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 153
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1
great for both cav and on-foot (siege in start ie.)
the 50 1h wpf doesnt take much away from polearm, so it's fine with MW eavy lance, and it is extremely nice to be able to use 1h on foot when you also have a shield.
btw, it is upkeepable if you have a high average multiplier, but you mgiht loose some money if you dont.
But 1h + shield with only 50 prof is slow and doesn't deal much damage
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But 1h + shield with only 50 prof is slow and doesn't deal much damage
i'm using the soldeirs cleaver (low tier cleaver) for upkeep-concerning reasons, and i still manage to kill several enemies after getting dismounted - i've killed 5+ enemies and survived the round a few times, too
edit: it is also great for support purposes
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Level 33 (35 569 612 xp)
* Strength: 21
* Agility: 18
* Hit points: 68
* Skills to attributes: 2
* Ironflesh: 6
* Power Strike: 7
* Shield: 1
* Athletics: 6
* Riding: 6
* Weapon Master: 6
* Polearm: 159
My endbuild. Close to 32 atm.
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at 33, 34 an 35 i will just convert my att and then max shield and IF... maxed everything at 35, but i wont ever get that far :D
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Omg nubert you were a peasant yesterday, stop grinding o.0
My build with 30 but i will go back to 2h
Good on horse and on foot using heavy lance and bec de corbin.
I used so much WPF for the extra speed bit to be more successful in cav vs cav duels.
Using OP Sarranid horse ofc, you can run someone down turn around and stab him while he is still getting up... WTF
Strength 18
Agility 18
Weapon proficiency
Polearm 154 10 points per wpf
Skills
Iron Flesh 3
Power Strike 6
Shield 3
Athletics 6
Riding 5
Weapon Master 6
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Omg nubert you were a peasant yesterday, stop grinding o.0
My build with 30 but i will go back to 2h
Good on horse and on foot using heavy lance and bec de corbin.
I used so much WPF for the extra speed bit to be more successful in cav vs cav duels.
Using OP Sarranid horse ofc, you can run someone down turn around and stab him while he is still getting up... WTF
Strength 18
Agility 18
Weapon proficiency
Polearm 154 10 points per wpf
Skills
Iron Flesh 3
Power Strike 6
Shield 3
Athletics 6
Riding 5
Weapon Master 6
you should max riding and only put 2 in IF... actually i would also put another IF point in shield instead, but that is just my personal opinion - few ppl gree with that
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I really rarly use a shield at all, i should have spent those points all in IF and riding.
Shield is only good against 1h/2h cav and those occasions you get hit by archers instead of your horse.
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With the ongoing ranged spam, I wouldn't dare riding without a shield. Without it, you are just asking for a crossbower to line up that perfect shot or an archer to arrow you to death.
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With the ongoing ranged spam, I wouldn't dare riding without a shield. Without it, you are just asking for a crossbower to line up that perfect shot or an archer to arrow you to death.
most of them aim for your horse even if you dont have a shield
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most of them aim for your horse even if you dont have a shield
Makes you a lot less fucked once they get your horse though.
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I'll borrow this thread a little for opinions on my own light cav build, very newb so be gently please. :)
I was planning on going for a build like this:
Str: 18
Agi: 18
All WPP in polearm
Iron Flesh 6
Power Strike 6
Shield 4
Athletics 5
Riding 5
Horse Archery 0
Power Draw 0
Power Throw 0
Weapon Master 6
Viable at all? My first time leveling up a char so I haven't got much clue tbh.
What kinda armor would be good for a build like this? Currently I use leather armor, Red Tassel spear, Kite Shield and a Sumpter horse(total cost 11,598 gold).
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why do you have suck cheap gear? you can have equipment up to 30k if your are new to this game.
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why do you have suck cheap gear? you can have equipment up to 30k if your are new to this game.
Making money for a heavy horseman or buying spiffy shiny doodads or making a bank for strat.
Having a six digit figure in gold is nice.
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why do you have suck cheap gear? you can have equipment up to 30k if your are new to this game.
Can't seem to make much of a profit if I wear better gear tbh.. :(
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Can't seem to make much of a profit if I wear better gear tbh.. :(
Then I highly recommend that you stick with what you are doing, as making a profit with a cheap set is vastly preferable then struggling to get lucky with a break-even set.
Also, it will teach you to become rather deadly, so when you do switch (temporarily or permanently) into a higher gear set you will feel noticeably more powerful.
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Then I highly recommend that you stick with what you are doing, as making a profit with a cheap set is vastly preferable then struggling to get lucky with a break-even set.
Also, it will teach you to become rather deadly, so when you do switch (temporarily or permanently) into a higher gear set you will feel noticeably more powerful.
Yeh I don't feel like I'm performing horribly bad, usually I can keep a 1:1 kd-ratio(or at least close to) although if I get hit twice that usually means I eat the dirty hehe
I've upgraded my horse to a rouncey now though, makes a big difference and I don't use it on all maps anyway so that can be a bit more expensive I guess. How's a Heraldic mail with surcoat and mail hood, boots and mittens for a slightly more expensive gear(About 25k with the horse, 15k without)? That's what I plan to wear once I stop being in need to hoard money.
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as a light horsemen your body armor doesnt really matter all that much. If you charge someone or get lance/speared and are going fast you are pretty much done for anyways.
The only thing body armor is going to do is save you from getting hit by archers, but most are aiming for horse anyways.
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The Heavy Lance is vastly superior while on the horseback I've now come to realize.. no wonder I was never able to get the first(and only) hit when facing up against other cavs.
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Here's my build for light cav. I'm currently 1h cav, but the wpf could easily be put into polearms for lancing. I really enjoy being quick on the ground as well as on horseback. Doing so means that I have no IF, which I often miss... but the 7 ath/riding is awesome!
Str - 18
Agi - 21
Conv - 8
PS - 6
Shield - 1
Ath - 7
Riding - 7
WM - 2
1h wpf - 123
Fun build that sacrifices wpf and if for excellent ath and riding skill. 123 wpf is enough to not be spammed, with a reasonably speedy weapon.
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i'm planing on doing this for light cav:
Level 30 (4 420 577 xp)
Strength: 12
Agility: 27
Hit points: 49
Skills to attributes: 8
Ironflesh: 1
Power Strike: 4
Shield: 0
Athletics: 0
Riding: 9
Horse Archery: 0
Power Draw: 0
Power Throw: 0
Weapon Master: 9
One Handed: 1
Two Handed: 1
Polearm: 181
Archery: 1
Crossbow: 1
Throwing: 1