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Title: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 13, 2013, 07:54:03 am
So Im building a new pc. Because I just need to upgrade in general for things like college and stuff. But lets be honest here. With games like Rome 2and other various games coming out, its like rough anal sex without any lube on a tight butthole (my pc) and too big of a cock (rome 2).

So this is what Im looking into:

Case/tower (updated thanks to jarold)
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Motherboard
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Hard Drive
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Processors
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Also Im bringing over from my current pc 8GB of RAM, my optical drive, graphics card, and power supply

graphics card
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power supply
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Soooooo will this prepare me for the shitstorm of games coming out?
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2013, 08:31:06 am
Prepare? Bitch please that beast will be enough for ages to come. My 6 year old desktop with barely upgraded videocard runs everything on high. Games these days dont need much to run.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Christo on June 13, 2013, 09:11:03 am
Man that thing will last for many, many years for now.

Unless we see another technological BANG like with the dual core processors back in the day.

But just look at the capabilities of the "next-gen" consoles, most of the games will be developed for those anyway, so that's more than fine.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 13, 2013, 01:44:26 pm
- Get a SSD, really
- Find a replacement for the standard Intel ventirad
- Don't forget to OC your processor after this
- Maybe get a gold rating PSU, your hardware is pricy
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Lannistark on June 13, 2013, 01:49:54 pm
Yeah, get an SSD Drive, you are pretty much wasting your processor and memory's potential with an optical disk. Also, as Kafein said, get a decent psu that swiftly runs that monster processor and graphic card - the one shown right there seems okay though.

It is overall a fucking beast pc for sure.

Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 13, 2013, 01:52:00 pm
Yeah, get an SSD Drive, you are pretty much wasting your processor and memory's potential with an optical disk. Also, as Kafein said, get a decent psu that swiftly runs that monster processor and graphic card.

A Corsair 650 bronze is enough for normal use, but if this PC is for 24/7 video encoding in a room with -20 to 45 degrees, get a better one.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Lannistark on June 13, 2013, 01:56:30 pm
The PSU is pretty good. There is no need for a better one. Avoid obsessed gamer and so called "gaming expert" comments. They'd think a PC only runs fine on a modular 1500W psu with golden shiny ratings covering the entire fucking case.

The truth is, with some tweaking, I run a 4-core, Intel Core I5, 4gb ram, and and HD 6670 with a 300W PSU. I haven't had a single problem yet. It is all about knowing your physics and how the Power Supply works. Most firms just want to confuse you by reccommending PSUs of 500W minimum for a Graphics that barely reaches the 50W at TDP. Wattage is a lie actually, you just need to look at the Amperage on each 12V Rail, since the others rails are irrelevant but still get added to the total wattage.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 13, 2013, 02:01:12 pm
The PSU is pretty good. There is no need for a better one. Avoid obsessed gamer and so called "gaming expert" comments. They'd think a PC only runs fine on a modular 1500W psu with golden shiny ratings covering the entire fucking case.

The truth is, with some tweaking, I run a 4-core, Intel Core I5, 4gb ram, and and HD 6670 with a 300W PSU. I haven't had a single problem yet. It is all about knowing your physics and how the Power Supply works. Most firms just want to confuse you by reccommending PSUs of 500W minimum for a Graphics that barely reaches the 50W at TDP. Wattage is a lie actually, you just need to look at the Amperage on each 12V Rail, since the others rails are irrelevant but still get added to the total wattage.

Actually the gold/silver/bronze rating things are meaningful, but you are absolutely right about the Wattage part, on no-name cheap PSUs anyway. Good brands rarely try to fuck you over.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Sniger on June 13, 2013, 03:01:57 pm
awesome mobo!

imo, you should get SSD instead, personally i have my eyes on the 128gb Plextor M5S http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/m5s-256gb-ssd-benchmark,3252-4.html

also you should consider passive cooling http://www.zalman.co.kr/global/product/Product_Read.php?Idx=183
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Sniger on June 13, 2013, 03:03:26 pm
The PSU is pretty good. There is no need for a better one. Avoid obsessed gamer and so called "gaming expert" comments. They'd think a PC only runs fine on a modular 1500W psu with golden shiny ratings covering the entire fucking case.

The truth is, with some tweaking, I run a 4-core, Intel Core I5, 4gb ram, and and HD 6670 with a 300W PSU. I haven't had a single problem yet. It is all about knowing your physics and how the Power Supply works. Most firms just want to confuse you by reccommending PSUs of 500W minimum for a Graphics that barely reaches the 50W at TDP. Wattage is a lie actually, you just need to look at the Amperage on each 12V Rail, since the others rails are irrelevant but still get added to the total wattage.

however, you spend more electricity using a low watt PSU. when i upgraded my 400W to a 800W my bill dropped 20-30% (no shit)
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Sniger on June 13, 2013, 03:04:25 pm
- Get a SSD, really
- Find a replacement for the standard Intel ventirad
- Don't forget to OC your processor after this
- Maybe get a gold rating PSU, your hardware is pricy

OC? come on lol OC is so last decade :)
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 13, 2013, 03:09:48 pm
Case is fugly, get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352029

What's with people and those shiny gamer cases...

PSU: 1 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095) 2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088) 3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119) 4 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151106) (take yer pick)

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193

Btw. your CPU is an overkill for that GPU. Get Radeon 7950 or something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125462. It's much more costly but if you wanna game get a proper GPU.

Edit: Also forget about that fancy overpriced Mobo from Asus. Get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157293. Don't forget to ask do you get free 8GB RAM!
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: SixThumbs on June 13, 2013, 03:38:19 pm
From my research when I was building my computer I found that for a PSU the rating and the 12V part are the most important factors when deciding which one to get.

Also, I have the exact same GPU and it's pretty good, ran Crysis on high at 60 fps and there's really not more I could ask for.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Lannistark on June 13, 2013, 04:39:25 pm
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Why not tell him to get this (http://www.nas.nasa.gov/hecc/resources/columbia.html) instead while you are it. I doubt the guy needs a blasted 2000$ PC to hit the ultra settings border
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 13, 2013, 04:41:35 pm
Maybe it's because I use my gaming pc to run simulations and stuff but I have a 2500K OC'ed to 4.2GHz and an old HD4870 and I'm still frequently CPU bound in games. IMO it's a much better idea to oversize your processor over the GPU. First reason because GPUs are very easy to replace anyway, and will die sooner if you push them too hard.

OC? come on lol OC is so last decade :)

If you have a decent cooling system there's no reason not to do it. And it makes a hell of a difference.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 13, 2013, 04:46:50 pm
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Why not tell him to get this (http://www.nas.nasa.gov/hecc/resources/columbia.html) instead while you are it. I doubt the guy needs a blasted 2000$ PC to hit the ultra settings border

You're right, maybe it's better to wait a year or two to replace GPU. But I don't understand why that pricey motherboard. They are meant for OC competitions and to look pretty but there's really no need for it.

ASrock is way cheaper. It's not big name like Asus but many people don't know that ASrock was part of Asus once, now they are trying to buy them back.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 13, 2013, 04:53:49 pm
Maybe it's because I use my gaming pc to run simulations and stuff but I have a 2500K OC'ed to 4.2GHz and an old HD4870 and I'm still frequently CPU bound in games. IMO it's a much better idea to oversize your processor over the GPU. First reason because GPUs are very easy to replace anyway, and will die sooner if you push them too hard.

Maybe you're playing in games in 1280x720 or some low resolution like that? Or you like low settings? Intel i5 2500K is more than enough for Radeon 4870. At 4.2 GHz is enough for any single GPU. Only dual GPUs need stronger CPU.

I have replaced somewhere around 50 components (used to change my configuration every year, but not doing that anymore) and only one died, ancient ABIT BH7. Newegg comments are full of people complaining how some part died after few days, but those were probably defective when they left the factory or damaged during transport. 
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Jarold on June 13, 2013, 05:24:06 pm
Dude you should totally think about this case, very sexy, great cooling.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Christo on June 13, 2013, 05:29:12 pm
You're right, maybe it's better to wait a year or two to replace GPU. But I don't understand why that pricey motherboard. They are meant for OC competitions and to look pretty but there's really no need for it.

ASrock is way cheaper. It's not big name like Asus but many people don't know that ASrock was part of Asus once, now they are trying to buy them back.

I second getting an ASrock, or a simpler ASUS motherboard.

No need for that stuff.

Also I'd really like to upgrade my setup but the motherboard is a freaking LGA775, and I can't upgrade at all with this piece of crap.

Being stuck sucks.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 13, 2013, 08:02:29 pm
Ok well being Im not an expert on this stuff I have a few questions/comments

1. What is SSD?

Dude you should totally think about this case, very sexy, great cooling.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158

2.Will this be big enough to hold everything so its not a tight fit?

So the main reason my current pc cant handle some top tier games (I used rome 2 as the example I was upgrading for) is because of my processor(s). When I play a game like Shogun 2, I play on pretty much max settings (turn off useless stuff like sky detail and shit). But the problem is when I get large scale battles I get some lag, because there are so many different animations on the screen going on at once. I run pretty much all games on high settings and have no problems. So back to more questions.

3. With the current stuff I have now I have never had  a problem overheating or with cooling, so why would I need to get a cooler?

4. I only use this for daily life things like email, youtube, etc etc. and games. No fancy simulations or software on here like recordings that take up a bunch of space and yadayadayada. So why some of these upgrades that cost a shit ton of money?

I forgot to add that Im trying to keep it under $1000 USD. Trying to keep it in the range of 700 or 800.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2013, 08:59:39 pm
1. What is SSD?
I have an SSD too. In short: Its basically an harddrive. Only it runs in supersonic speeds compared to your regular harddrives. But its alot more costly. Less GBs too(those with alot of GBs cost assloads) But what I did was install Windows on my SSD and store all my games and shit on the regular harddrive.

But there is one thing the people above me did forget to mention. SSD has a way more shorter lifespan than your average harddrive. Only those not available to an average costumer are longer lasting ones. But its well worth it. SSD is really sweet stuff.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Lannistark on June 13, 2013, 09:00:30 pm
Alright, I'll try to answer as best as I can:

SSD - Otherwise known as Solid State Drive. It is basically the new form of drive. In short, compared to other common forms of storing data: optical drives were made by a stylus burning the disk through a monochromatic ray of X wavelength (the shorter the wavelength the higher capacity of the disk). Magnetic drives rotate and access information stored through magnetism. SSD has nothing of that, it uses some kind of chips and memory to store data persistently (I'm not pretty sure how these work exactly though). The thing is, these disks make no noise since they don't rotate like magnetic disks, and they work a lot faster than any other consumer form of storage.

The case - That case definitely looks like a gamer one. It is a full tower - I wouldn't be worried if I were you; there are tons of other cases out there if that doesn't convince you however.

The cooler - Intel's processors are famous for two things: For being really nice, and for bringing terrible coolers together with them. If you are getting a processor with a high TDP (A core i7k is a good example) I suggest buying a good cooler for the processor and motherboard, otherwise it'll just get fried like a potato. Cooler Master and Antec are good firms for that.

Software - Games are not really daily life. Hardcore gaming such as Crysis 3 at ultra settings is one way of stressing your hardware to its limits. If you were only to search the web, you wouldn't need any specific cooler aside from the default one. But then again you wouldn't need a 300€ Core I7 either.


EDIT:

I'd suggest just getting an overall cheaper PC. You are not going to squeeze all the potential out of that, as many more with super beasts pc. I mean, I enjoy a game at high or high-very high settings, even at medium-high. Ultra is just for the enthusiasts and barely improves the texture quality - it just tweaks some pixel shading, and handle illumination more carefully. All that at a cost of another 15 fps less.

For gaming, just gaming (no enthusiast nerding) I'd rather recommend something around this:

- Core i5 3570. More than enough to handle anything you can throw at it. Unless you mount 5 virtual machines and run a Metro 2033 test on each simultaneously while encrypting files to 256k and predicting next week's climate on your local townshall.

-An AsRock motherboard is pretty good, as Leshma said. Get one of those between 70-100€ with a couple of USB 3.0 and PCI 3.0.

- 8 GB RAM. Not really necessary, but to avoid a future upgrade. It is nowadays near to becoming the standarised RAM value.

- The graphic card you posted is really nice. You won't have any problems with that. I say go with that one.

- The case must be a full tower, so you don't have to worry about size as you said earlier. There are tons of them out there, look for a quality one like Antec, Cooler Master, Thermaltake etc.

- Get an SSD so you don't need to upgrade later on. If you can't afford one, make sure the magnetic disk is 7200 rpm though.

- PSUs are important stuff. If you don't know much about them or how they work, make sure they have some of those 80 plus bronze or silver ratings. Generally ensures reliability.

- Don't forget the dvd reader or blu ray if you are willing to waste more money, people tend to, and it comes in handy!!

Overall it shouldn't get above 800€


Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 13, 2013, 09:12:14 pm
Alright, I'll try to answer as best as I can:

SSD - Otherwise known as Solid State Drive. It is basically the new form of drive. In short, compared to other common forms of storing data: optical drives were made by a stylus burning the disk through a monochromatic ray of X wavelength (the shorter the wavelength the higher capacity of the disk). Magnetic drives rotate and access information stored through magnetism. SSD has nothing of that, it uses some kind of chips and memory to store data persistently (I'm not pretty sure how these work exactly though). The thing is, these disks make no noise since they don't rotate like magnetic disks, and they work a lot faster than any other consumer form of storage.

The case - That case definitely looks like a gamer one. It is a full tower - I wouldn't be worried if I were you; there are tons of other cases out there if that doesn't convince you however.

The cooler - Intel's processors are famous for two things: For being really nice, and for bringing terrible coolers together with them. If you are getting a processor with a high TDP (A core i7k is a good example) I suggest buying a good cooler for the processor and motherboard, otherwise it'll just get fried like a potato. Cooler Master and Antec are good firms for that.

Software - Games are not really daily life. Hardcore gaming such as Crysis 3 at ultra settings is one way of stressing your hardware to its limits. If you were only to search the web, you wouldn't need any specific cooler aside from the default one. But then again you wouldn't need a 300€ Core I7 either.

K well screw ssd. Too much money.

The cooler, do I really need it? I get good cooling from the fans on the hardware as it is, then if I get this new case with added fans wont that cover every heat need?
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Lannistark on June 13, 2013, 09:16:29 pm
The processor cooler is different from the case's. Perhaps you have water cooling and whatever bullshit that ensures all components are fresh, but if your processor cooling is weak, the processor will get too overheated.

Please see my edit post above, there is no need to buy another cooler if you don't go with the ultra fast beast processor.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tibe on June 13, 2013, 09:17:35 pm
Ahh you have no idea what you missing man. SSD is like the baws. I mean like ultraspeeds while doing shit around the PC. It makes your PC way more faster. Without it, you are definately not using its full potential nomatter how much other hardware you stick in it. Its costly yes, but its worth it. Speaking from personal experience.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 13, 2013, 09:34:56 pm

EDIT:

I'd suggest just getting an overall cheaper PC. You are not going to squeeze all the potential out of that, as many more with super beasts pc. I mean, I enjoy a game at high or high-very high settings, even at medium-high. Ultra is just for the enthusiasts and barely improves the texture quality - it just tweaks some pixel shading, and handle illumination more carefully. All that at a cost of another 15 fps less.

For gaming, just gaming (no enthusiast nerding) I'd rather recommend something around this:

- Core i5 3570. More than enough to handle anything you can throw at it. Unless you mount 5 virtual machines and run a Metro 2033 test on each simultaneously while encrypting files to 256k and predicting next week's climate on your local townshall.

-An AsRock motherboard is pretty good, as Leshma said. Get one of those between 70-100€ with a couple of USB 3.0 and PCI 3.0.

- 8 GB RAM. Not really necessary, but to avoid a future upgrade. It is nowadays near to becoming the standarised RAM value.

- The graphic card you posted is really nice. You won't have any problems with that. I say go with that one.

- The case must be a full tower, so you don't have to worry about size as you said earlier. There are tons of them out there, look for a quality one like Antec, Cooler Master, Thermaltake etc.

- Get an SSD so you don't need to upgrade later on. If you can't afford one, make sure the magnetic disk is 7200 rpm though.

- PSUs are important stuff. If you don't know much about them or how they work, make sure they have some of those 80 plus bronze or silver ratings. Generally ensures reliability.

- Don't forget the dvd reader or blu ray if you are willing to waste more money, people tend to, and it comes in handy!!

Overall it shouldn't get above 800€

Like I said. Im not an expert. Im gunna need specific parts and then I just put it together. So everything you just told me to get. Im not gunna be able to find good ones, like ssd, or PSU, motherboard, and cooler. Cause Im useless.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Christo on June 13, 2013, 10:11:58 pm
Like I said. Im not an expert. Im gunna need specific parts and then I just put it together. So everything you just told me to get. Im not gunna be able to find good ones, like ssd, or PSU, motherboard, and cooler. Cause Im useless.

Use google?
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 14, 2013, 12:13:10 am
K well screw ssd. Too much money.

Not really. Basically, SSD is a giant flash drive in form of a hard drive which you use as your system disk. Major advantage is that SSD doesn't have moving parts which results in much faster access to everything on your PC.

PC is a combination of components and its speed largely depends on its slowest part which is Hard Disk Drive. By exchanging HDD for SSD you're removing biggest bottleneck in your system and EVERYTHING will run much faster. PC will boot up faster, explorer and desktop will be way more responsive and games will load a lot faster.

You can get 120GB drive along regular HDD for about 100$ to try it out. But if you don't need more than 250GB I would recommend to just get an SSD, without HDD.

You can easily get an SSD if you choose less expensive Mobo. Better Mobo is all about marketing, no real advantages. On the other hand, you will feel huge change with SSD.

If you want to use SSD with HDD choose this one: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-120GB-internal-Solid-MZ-7TD120BW/dp/B009NHAF06/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1371161470&sr=1-1&keywords=Samsung+840+128

If you don't need more than 250GB just take this SSD: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MZ-7TD250BW-Solid-State-2-5-Inch/dp/B009NHAEXE/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1371161470&sr=1-5&keywords=Samsung+840+128
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 14, 2013, 12:19:31 am
2.Will this be big enough to hold everything so its not a tight fit?

Your case is midi tower, case I recommended and case he recommended are both full tower cases. In other words, those are quite big. You can fit an elephant in there.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: cmp on June 14, 2013, 12:20:52 am
PC will boot up faster, explorer and desktop will be way more responsive and games will load a lot faster.

Pretty much sums up why SSD are overrated for gaming. You care about performance, not loading times, and having a SSD does nothing in that regard for the vast majority of games (haven't seen an I/O bound game in quite a while).
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 14, 2013, 12:37:49 am
Pretty much sums up why SSD are overrated for gaming. You care about performance, not loading times, and having a SSD does nothing in that regard for the vast majority of games (haven't seen an I/O bound game in quite a while).

Wouldn't disk speed affect for example texture loading times ? When it's on demand of course, which implies a large world with a lot of different textures I suppose.

Besides, few people don't care at all about loading times or boot times. It's not necessarily worth the money, however small SSD are getting cheap now.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: cmp on June 14, 2013, 12:50:09 am
Wouldn't disk speed affect for example texture loading times ? When it's on demand of course, which implies a large world with a lot of different textures I suppose.

It could speed the disk loading part a bit, but that's done on a separate thread most of the time so it doesn't really affect performance.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 14, 2013, 02:34:55 am
Well I think I may have to go with current setup. Maybe an upgrade in the tower so its full (looking at the one jarold gave me http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147158) ) and maybe a cooling system.

Screw the SSD. I dont need my browsers and desktop to search and load any faster than they do already. Like I said the only thing that was really holding me back from my full potential In gaming was my processors. Couldnt handle all of the animations and such. GPU and PSU are fine. I have 8GB of RAM already. And my C: drive has 372 GB of space and my D: drive has 544. Im currently at 39.5 GB of free space on my C: drive and 202 on my D: drive.

So while Im kinda getting by with my current hardrive space, I want more.

I MUST LISTEN TO THE OVERLORD CMP!
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: cmp on June 14, 2013, 04:18:06 am
Hey, I said that SSD are overrated for gaming, not that you should avoid to get one at all costs. :D
If you're not on a super tight budget, it's a nice thing to have.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 14, 2013, 04:19:53 am
Hey, I said that SSD are overrated for gaming, not that you should avoid to get one at all costs. :D
If you're not on a super tight budget, it's a nice thing to have.

Well I said in an earlier post that Im aiming for around 700-800 USD or so. All that stuff I have up there right now is around that price and could pretty much destroy almost any game on the markey right?
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: [ptx] on June 14, 2013, 07:22:41 am
A PC i built for around 1200$ some 5+ years ago (with the exception of a newer GPU) still pretty much destroys almost any game on the market right now.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 14, 2013, 07:47:11 am
A PC i built for around 1200$ some 5+ years ago (with the exception of a newer GPU) still pretty much destroys almost any game on the market right now.

Well I asked if what I had posted up was good enough.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: [ptx] on June 14, 2013, 09:14:50 am
Well I asked if what I had posted up was good enough.
Requirements increase way more slowly nowadays, than they did 5 years ago. I don't think that a good PC built now will be strained anytime soon.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 14, 2013, 11:32:20 am
Depends. Right now most games are X360 ports. But when Xbone/PS4 ports start to arive, things might change.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 14, 2013, 01:46:48 pm
Depends. Right now most games are X360 ports. But when Xbone/PS4 ports start to arive, things might change.

I'm not so sure about that. Console ports are "frugal" not only because console hardware is limited. It's also what type of games they are.

Requirements increase way more slowly nowadays, than they did 5 years ago. I don't think that a good PC built now will be strained anytime soon.

Pretty much this. Adding cores on our CPUs doesn't do jack shit when the CPU bottleneck is a single, very heavy thread. This is also why overclocking actually is more important now, new CPUs being shipped with ridiculously low factory clock frequencies.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: cmp on June 14, 2013, 02:41:21 pm
Overclocking (the CPU) is a waste of time. A 4 year old first generation i7 can still handle current games quite fine, and applications that were once heavily CPU bound (video encoding/decoding, distributed computing, rendering...) are now being offloaded to the GPU anyway.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Zaalback on June 14, 2013, 02:54:50 pm
Anyway , as Leshma already said, you should rather go for a Seasonic PSU , and forget all the other shitty brands with their weird labels and stuff . The 80+ doesn't mean that the PSU is especially well-made, it's also about securities and capacitors' quality
About your GPU I've heard that the 4xxx series from intel are out since a few days, but still I don't really know what they worth . According to your budget , you should go for a 3570k, that is slightly cheaper and doesn't make any differences with the 3770K in video-gaming. The 3770K will help you in the case that you are a confirmed "movie-maker", it'd make the encoding times shorter, it gives also some small advantages in other domaines, but won't help you at all in video games, check the benchmarks .
Also I recommend you to get a good heat sink for your CPU, if you wanna overclock it , even if it's a bit useless with such a rig. You should go for an Antec Kühler 520 or a decent noctua heatsink. If you are obsessed by your computer you should really get a Good CPU cooler in any ways.
About your case, it's ugly and it doesn't seem to be that efficient. You should go for an Antec Case such as P280 or a good cooler master one.  OR A FRACTAL DESIGN R4, as I have , which is for me the best case ever released.
To conclude, if you take a 3570K your GPU would be perfectly fine , you can also take a look to the GTX660ti that's also a pretty cool GPU.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Jarold on June 14, 2013, 06:09:25 pm
The case that I showed you should be sufficient to fit your hardware. Just keep in mind it is a heavy beast, 30.42 lbs.

If you wanted to know the dimensions here it is...

9.14" x 22.84" x 21.89" (WxHxD) (bezel included)
9.14" x 22.84" x 20.08" (WxHxD) (bezel NOT included)


If you really want an in-depth look on the case here's a review, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eStwwZFlOoQ.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Kafein on June 14, 2013, 06:17:10 pm
Isn't the case size stuff easier to figure out than that ?

I mean, there are a few standard formats (mini-ATX, ATX...) and each mobo clearly tells you which one it belongs to.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Jarold on June 14, 2013, 07:04:54 pm
Kafien, it is an ATX Full Tower, overral this case is pretty large so it will fit very large parts inside of it. I like to see the exact dimensions.

Just as a reassuring statement for you, the case does support your motherboard you have linked, mmason94.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 14, 2013, 07:37:26 pm
Pretty much sums up why SSD are overrated for gaming. You care about performance, not loading times, and having a SSD does nothing in that regard for the vast majority of games (haven't seen an I/O bound game in quite a while).

You're right about that, but there are developers like Piranha Bytes whose Gothic 3 asked for fastest possible HDD to run decently, even on truly powerful configurations. Maybe their next game will be just like that. Also Warband's loading times can be quite significant with a slower HDD.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 15, 2013, 07:41:57 am
Sooooo with this setup now I should be good for a few years right? Im not even close to being worried about upgrading to and SSD right now if I dont have too. If I will eventually, great, but thats way downt he road.

Sooooo badass PC? 10/10 would bang again?
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Leshma on June 15, 2013, 12:52:49 pm
You'll probably have to change GPU in few years but rest is pretty good imho.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on August 30, 2013, 08:35:26 pm
BUMP

Gunna be buying all this stuff within a few weeks or months probably. Is this stuff still going to fist fuck pretty much any game out there and for a few years to come?

Notes:

1. IMO fuck SSD because I dont really need to increase loading times and browsing times. Just as long as I get good performance is all that I care about.

2. I dont really need an external cooling unit do I? I have good temp/circulation in my room, there are a shit ton of fans throughout the pc and the parts. So really how could it overheat? and yes I realize that the cooling unit is for internal cooling.

3. On my current pc I have 322gb of space, which at first I thought was 1TB. For the hard drive I have posted, it has 1TB of space to store all of my games and porn right?
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Rumblood on August 30, 2013, 10:35:17 pm
I would review the pricing and compare against what is out there now. Prices change rapidly, new tech is released and you are over 75 days since you made that list. For example, the GTX 760 is out now and is a better card for the same or less money than what you would pay for what you listed.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on August 30, 2013, 11:12:27 pm
I would review the pricing and compare against what is out there now. Prices change rapidly, new tech is released and you are over 75 days since you made that list. For example, the GTX 760 is out now and is a better card for the same or less money than what you would pay for what you listed.

Well the graphics card I have listed I already own and is already a good card. So Im not really willing to pay for another card that is only somewhat better than the current one I already have.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Cow_ on August 31, 2013, 12:22:10 am
I would have gone for:

Processor: Intel Core i5-4670(K)   $209 ($239)                                                                                                           http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898

For case: Fractal Design Define R4 $110 (Cases might be a bit personal, this is just what I like :P)                           http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020

Motherboard: ASUS Z87-PRO LGA 1150 $200                                                                                                              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131979

Harddrive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB $69 / Western Digital 1TB $89                                                                              http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

Btw: I am not that good at computers, so this might not be the best option to go for :)

Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tore on August 31, 2013, 12:24:47 am
For case: Fractal Design Define R4 $110 (Cases might be a bit personal, this is just what I like :P)                           http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020

mah nigga
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: zagibu on August 31, 2013, 04:42:45 am
Lol at $200 motherboard.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Rumblood on August 31, 2013, 06:08:16 am
Lol at $200 motherboard.

Seriously. That extra cash could definitely go somewhere more useful.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on October 19, 2013, 07:19:49 am
Update time bitches. With black friday strolling around the corner, I want to know if what I have will still butt rape pretty much any game out there, or is there something better and if not the same price or around it possibly even cheaper with a sweet black friday deal or cyber monday deal.
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: GandalfJr on October 19, 2013, 07:52:31 am
I feel immensely jealous I have a HP Pavilon, Pentium Processor, and a shit graphics card that cant show the ground in NW or the barrels and any new things in that stuff...
Title: Re: New PC help
Post by: Tom Cruise on June 27, 2014, 08:49:46 am
Awwwwwwwww yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. My fellow nerds. It is that time again to update. This time I will actually be buying a new pc soon without any other things coming in the way (hopefully). If I were to upgrade the GPU and possibly the power supply and add a cooling system, what would all of that be? By that I mean whats a good GPU and PSU and shit to go along with the motherboard, processors, etc?

Edit: Apparently the motherboard is out of stock, so I need a new one of those too :P