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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Game Balance Discussion => Topic started by: Sultan Eren on May 24, 2013, 02:19:27 am

Title: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Sultan Eren on May 24, 2013, 02:19:27 am
Buff all normal bows.
Nerf +3 bows slightly.
Nerf +3 arrows slightly.

Double archer score. Since they are not involved in combat they can not get points.

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Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Rumblood on May 24, 2013, 03:51:06 am
If you were to double archer score I would lead every single cavalry map, averaging 150 and getting over 240 points some maps.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: San on May 24, 2013, 04:45:49 am
I agree that +0 archer items should be buffed. I am not sure how to weaken +3s at all, since I've never done archer. I don't think simply nerfing +3 item stats will do much help.

Make archer score more equivalent to what melee have, or give bonus points for headshots.

Change score area from near an enemy taking damage to the area near teammates who are gaining points (incl. range). Enemies getting teamhit next to you should give you points, just for hilarity effect. People in clusters will still get points, just not as many free points as before. These have been suggested by others for a long time, and they sound like pretty good ideas that don't seem too hard to implement.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Tydeus on May 24, 2013, 04:49:30 am
there are no guaranteed points, so when you do a lot of 'chip damage' the effects add up, but your score doesn't. Everyone needs to get a minimum of 1 point for hitting an opponent, regardless of their class.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Little Lord Lollipop on May 24, 2013, 05:33:09 am
Unloomed archer gear needs a buff, loomed archer gear doesn't need a nerf.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Sultan Eren on May 24, 2013, 12:02:56 pm
Quote from: Little Lord Lollipop on May 24, 2013, 05:33:09 am
Unloomed archer gear needs a buff, loomed archer gear doesn't need a nerf.

When you buff a normal bow, +3 bow will be also buffed. I don't suggest any change for a mw archer.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: MrShine on May 24, 2013, 02:33:52 pm
I agree with everything except doubling archer scores...instead of doubling maybe increase points by 25-50%.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Necrorave on May 24, 2013, 03:30:57 pm
I mean, if it is possible.  Why not give a "Suppression bonus"?

Something like wherever their ammo lands, a small radius around the landing spot will give small amounts of points for an enemy death for a couple of seconds.  (This could cause people to shoot teammates more often though)

So to negate that, make hitting team-mates more punishable when it comes to points.  Shooting enemies in a skirmish with a team mate is a risk and should be either Very rewarding or Very damaging.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Rumblood on May 24, 2013, 06:15:44 pm
Quote from: Sultan Eren on May 24, 2013, 12:02:56 pm
When you buff a normal bow, +3 bow will be also buffed. I don't suggest any change for a mw archer.

Then what you meant to say is buff normal bow and leave MW bows at current levels instead of nerf +3 bows and arrows. The fact is, most archers playing today, and especially the HA's playing today are using +3 equipment, yet the consensus is that archers and HA's are at a good balance. While the "buff normal" part of your suggestion sounds nice, due to the overall makeup of gear actually being used, the "nerf +3" would result in a nerf for 95%+ of archer and especially HA's.

Does anyone really think that archers and HA's need yet another nerf?
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Sultan Eren on May 25, 2013, 12:54:21 am
Quote from: Rumblood on May 24, 2013, 06:15:44 pm
Then what you meant to say is buff normal bow and leave MW bows at current levels instead of nerf +3 bows and arrows. The fact is, most archers playing today, and especially the HA's playing today are using +3 equipment, yet the consensus is that archers and HA's are at a good balance. While the "buff normal" part of your suggestion sounds nice, due to the overall makeup of gear actually being used, the "nerf +3" would result in a nerf for 95%+ of archer and especially HA's.

Does anyone really think that archers and HA's need yet another nerf?

It's not a nerf I want, read properly.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Rumblood on May 25, 2013, 09:06:42 am
Quote from: Sultan Eren on May 25, 2013, 12:54:21 am
It's not a nerf I want, read properly.

Quote from: Sultan Eren on May 24, 2013, 02:19:27 am
Title: Nerf
Nerf
Nerf

Write properly.
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: OttomanSniper on May 25, 2013, 09:16:48 am
bsg
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Ronin on May 25, 2013, 12:37:03 pm
I sense little need to be a grammar chocolate chip cookie here.

What this thread means:

-Buff unloomed equipment
-Leave +3 the same
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Moncho on May 25, 2013, 12:54:06 pm
Are you sure that it is +3 equipment and not the experience of 6+ gens playing archer?
Title: Re: Buff normal bows / Nerf +3 bows and arrows
Post by: Rumblood on May 25, 2013, 05:14:25 pm
Quote from: Ronin on May 25, 2013, 12:37:03 pm
I sense little need to be a grammar chocolate chip cookie here.

What this thread means:

-Buff unloomed equipment
-Leave +3 the same

It is semantics, not grammar and if it were semantically accurate, we wouldn't need my banter or your clarification.