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Title: Heirloom Overview
Post by: Banok on January 07, 2011, 03:31:26 am
Guide to hierlooming
Once your character reaches level 31 you are given the option to retire. Retiring resets your exp but lets you keep your items and gold. It also gives you +1 generation which increase exp gained by 10% and you also can choose one item in your inventory to heirloom. Heirlooms have modifiers making them different to normal versions of the weapon, you can hierloom an item up to 3 times for different modifiers. Below is a list of each modifier for each time hierloomed. You are not able to hierloom an item unless your character retiring can wield it (unconfirmed post patch). Although heirlooms may have a higher or lower base price than normal, heirlooming does NOT effect upkeep cost of the item.

Damage bonuses seem to be depend on base damage, higher base damager = higher modifer. Check exact damage increase for specific weapons in lamix's thread (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,965.0.html).

Horse:
Heavy: hit points +10 body armor +6 horse charge +8
Spirited: hit points +5 horse charge +2 horse speed +2 horse maneuver +2
Champion: hit points +5 horse charge +4 horse speed +4 horse maneuver +4

Shield
Thick
reinforced +63 HP +4 resistance
masterpiece

WEAPONS

Sword 1h and 2h
Tempered +damage
balanced +damage +1 speed
masterwork  +damage +2 speed

Mace 1h and 2h and Polemaces
heavy +damage +0 speed +0.5 weight
powerful +damage -1 speed +0.75 wieght
Mighty +damage -1 speed +0.75 wieght

Axes 1h and 2h and Poleaxes
heavy +damage -1 speed  +0.5 Wieght
powerful +damage -1 speed +0.75 weight
mighty +damage +0 speed +0.75 wieght

Picks
Heavy +damage -1 speed +0.5 wieght
balanced +damage +1 speed +0.75 weight
deadly +damage +1 speed +0.75 weight

Xbows
well made: +1 spd rating +1 shoot speed -1 pierce +1 accuracy
Exceptional: +2 spd rating +3 shoot speed + pierce +2 accuracy
masterwork: +2 spd rating +4 shoot speed + pierce +3 accuracy

Bows
strong: +0 spd rating +1 shoot speed +1 cut +0 accuracy
fine: +1 spd rating +2 shoot speed +2 cut +1 accuracy
masterwork: +2 spd rating +3 shoot speed +3 cut +2 accuracy

Other Polearms**
balanced +damage +1 speed
Deadly  +damage +1 speed
Masterwork ??

Arrow/Bolt:
Large Bag: +2-4 ammo +0 damage
Sharp: +0 ammo +2 damage
Large Bag of Sharp: +2-4 ammo +2 damage

Throwing Axe:
Balanced: +1 spd rating +2 cut +0 ammo
Large bag: +0 spd rating +0 cut +1 ammo
Large Bag of Balanced: +1 spd rating +2 cut +1 ammo

Other Throwing Weapon:
Heavy: -1 speed +2 damage +0 ammo
Balanced: +1 speed +2 damage +0 ammo
Large Bag: +1 speed +1 damage +1-2 ammo

ARMOUR
+body/leg/hand = bonus onto each type applicable.

Cloth Armor:
Sturdy ->
Thick ->
Hardened

Maille Armor:
Thick +2 body/leg/hand armor
Reinforced ->
Lordly

Plate Armor:
Thick +2 body/leg/hand armor
Reinforced ->
Lordly

PS: the modifers in native are different, this is a list of only the ones found and confirmed in cRPG.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Spawny on January 07, 2011, 04:00:10 pm
Masterwork Long Espada Eslavona
requirement 10
spd rtng 100
weapon length 103
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 32 pierce

Makes 1h sword gen 3 modifier: +4 cut +4 pierce +1 speed +0 req

Powerful Broad One Handed Battle Axe
requirement 9
spd rtng 97
weapon length 73
swing damage 39, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce

Makes the 1h axe gen 2 modifier: +4 cut +0 pierce -1 speed +0 req

Personally, I'm hoping the gen 3 modifier for axes will be +5 cut +0 pierce +1 speed, but I'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Vexus on January 07, 2011, 04:31:35 pm
Gen 2 Heavy Crossbow

Exceptional Heavy Crossbow
weight 3.5
requirement 12
spd rtng 25
shoot speed 59
thrust damage 70 pierce
max ammo 1
accuracy 94

Normal version

Heavy Crossbow
weight 3.5
requirement 12
spd rtng 23
shoot speed 56
thrust damage 63 pierce
max ammo 1
accuracy 92

Not much improved would liked if heirloom upped a bit more speed.

+7 pierce, +2 speed rating, +3 shoot speed & +2 accuracy.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 07, 2011, 06:01:09 pm
thanks for posting guys will update it soon. spawny did you check the weight change?

that xbow looks sweet imo

I guess the extra accuracy is reduced by the extra power so its probably not more accurate afterall.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Rhaelys on January 08, 2011, 01:05:39 am
Quote from: Spawny on January 07, 2011, 04:00:10 pm
Masterwork Long Espada Eslavona
requirement 10
spd rtng 100
weapon length 103
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 32 pierce

Makes 1h sword gen 3 modifier: +4 cut +4 pierce +1 speed +0 req

Powerful Broad One Handed Battle Axe
requirement 9
spd rtng 97
weapon length 73
swing damage 39, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce

Makes the 1h axe gen 2 modifier: +4 cut +0 pierce -1 speed +0 req

Personally, I'm hoping the gen 3 modifier for axes will be +5 cut +0 pierce +1 speed, but I'll have to wait and see.

Incorrect. Masterwork is +4 cut +4 pierce +2 speed. Long Espada Eslavona went down to 98 base speed in the patch.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: ShinySpoons on January 08, 2011, 05:37:27 am
Deadly German Poleaxe
weight 3
requirement 16
spd rtng 93
weapon length 131
swing damage 51, cut
thrust damage 34 pierce

+7 swing, +5 Pierce, +1 speed.

Keep in mind that even if a weapon in the same category has the same modifier, the stat change might still be different.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Diomedes on January 08, 2011, 06:57:08 am
Do we know any more about the nature of retirement and any loomed item repair costs yet?
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: slothscott on January 08, 2011, 07:16:28 am
Deadly Elegant Poleaxe
weight 2
requirement 16
spd rtng 94
weapon length 132
swing damage 46, cut
thrust damage 30 pierce

+6 Swing +4 Pierce +1 Speed
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Mala on January 08, 2011, 12:01:59 pm
masterwork Großes Messer
+4 cut
+3 pierce
+2 speed

masterwork broad short sword (aka sword of whine)
+3 cut
+3 pierce
+2 speed

tempered Langes Messer

+2 cut
+2 pierce

reinforced steel buckler
+63 HP
+4 resistance

So, in comparison to some other weapons and their modifiers i feel a bit pranked.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Rhaelys on January 08, 2011, 12:12:55 pm
Quote from: Diomedes on January 08, 2011, 06:57:08 am
Do we know any more about the nature of retirement and any loomed item repair costs yet?

Repair costs for heirloomed items of any tier are the same as the repair costs for the normal version of the item.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Penchik on January 08, 2011, 10:05:42 pm
Sorry if it has been already asked, but when retirement will be enabled?
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 09, 2011, 06:24:40 pm
updated

not sure how useful this thread can be if damage modifers are weapon specific.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Zanthos on January 09, 2011, 06:39:28 pm
Tempered Katana:
+2 cut
+1 pierce

Tempered Two Handed Sword:
+2cut
+2 pierce

Balanced Heavy Lance:
+2 blunt
+2 pierce

Thick Brigandine:
+2 body armor
+2 leg armor

In looking at each weapon getting different stats... the katana only got a +1 to it's thrust damage but the other 2 weapons got +2.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Vexus on January 09, 2011, 06:42:32 pm
Quote from: Banok on January 09, 2011, 06:24:40 pm
updated

not sure how useful this thread can be if damage modifers are weapon specific.

But people can have an idea on what will increase just put a red line saying bonuses are different depending on damage of weapon or something like that.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Mala on January 09, 2011, 06:49:46 pm
Quote from: Zanthos on January 09, 2011, 06:39:28 pm
...
In looking at each weapon getting different stats... the katana only got a +1 to it's thrust damage but the other 2 weapons got +2.

I think that it is based on the base damage. A lower value gets a lower modifier.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 09, 2011, 07:38:17 pm
yeah I just realised it might be a % increase, which I had previously thought of suggesting ;)

I'll fiddle around with numbers later when I have time but it will probably hard to find a conclusive value, might just have to nicely ask paul/urist
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Boss_Awesome on January 10, 2011, 06:48:33 pm
Quote from: Spawny on January 07, 2011, 04:00:10 pm
Masterwork Long Espada Eslavona
requirement 10
spd rtng 100
weapon length 103
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 32 pierce

Makes 1h sword gen 3 modifier: +4 cut +4 pierce +1 speed +0 req

Powerful Broad One Handed Battle Axe
requirement 9
spd rtng 97
weapon length 73
swing damage 39, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce

Makes the 1h axe gen 2 modifier: +4 cut +0 pierce -1 speed +0 req

Personally, I'm hoping the gen 3 modifier for axes will be +5 cut +0 pierce +1 speed, but I'll have to wait and see.

Why is my Masterwork Long Espada only 32 cut and 32 pierce and this guy gets 33 cut?  Is there a random integer in the heirloom bonus?
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: LittleJustin on January 11, 2011, 12:01:54 am
Powerful Bar Mace
weight 5.25
requirement 13
spd rtng 91
weapon length 96
swing damage 40, blunt
thrust damage 0 blunt
Crushtrhough
Unbalanced
Knockdown

This is 2nd heirloom for the bar mace
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Liveon on January 11, 2011, 02:34:59 pm
Masterwork Strong Bow

13160 ! g(drop cost)
weight 1.25
requirement 5
spd rtng 65
shoot speed 62
thrust damage 27 cut
accuracy 98

Quick like Khergit Bow, strong like War Bow, acurracy like... Masterwork.
Simple: Ladies &Gentelmens, this is  the King of Bows;).

PS That's all, what I have after 8 modifiers, nice...
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 02:56:09 pm
Tempered Nordic Champion's Sword   
11763 (holy shit it's expensive!)   
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 34, cut
thrust damage 23 pierce

+3000 cost for +2 damage seems a bit too much for me...
   
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Tholgar on January 11, 2011, 02:58:23 pm
Balanced Nordic Champion's Swords: 14116g

weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 98
weapon length 102
swing damage 35, cut
thrust damage 23 pierce
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Freland on January 11, 2011, 03:05:02 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 02:56:09 pm
+3000 cost for +2 damage seems a bit too much for me...

Heirloom upkeep is dependant on the price of the base (=unheirloomed) item.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Azathoth on January 11, 2011, 03:23:53 pm
Heavy Mallet
weight 7.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 83
weapon length 71
swing damage 42, blunt

next can be:

Scary Mallet
weight 7
difficulty 18
spd rtng 82
weapon length 71
swing damage 44, blunt
thrust damage 0 pierce

why Scary Mallet is lighter then heavy, but have difficulty 18 and spd rtng 82???
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Zoidberg on January 11, 2011, 03:44:05 pm
hehe :lol:
Heavy Stones   2   
weight 4
requirement 0
spd rtng 96
shoot speed 20
thrust damage 13 blunt
max ammo 12
weapon length 7
accuracy 100
Secondary Mode
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Chagan_Arslan on January 11, 2011, 03:53:58 pm
Balanced Long Espada Eslavona   
price 14447
weight 1.25
requirement 10
spd rtng 99
weapon length 103
swing damage 32, cut
thrust damage 31 pierce
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Sellefis on January 11, 2011, 04:01:28 pm
Postpatch 210

Strong Khergit Bow
weight 1.25
requirement 4
spd rtng 65
shoot speed 58
thrust damage 23 cut
accuracy 95
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lady_Quilba on January 11, 2011, 04:10:01 pm
Quote from: Azathoth on January 11, 2011, 03:23:53 pm
Heavy Mallet
weight 7.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 83
weapon length 71
swing damage 42, blunt

next can be:

Scary Mallet
weight 7
difficulty 18
spd rtng 82
weapon length 71
swing damage 44, blunt
thrust damage 0 pierce

why Scary Mallet is lighter then heavy, but have difficulty 18 and spd rtng 82???

Yep, i do not understand why one handed hammers get slower and slower

There is simply no reason to heirloom it, as long as they get slower. At least let them stay at original speed..
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Mala on January 11, 2011, 04:22:20 pm
Now i have a mini steel shield  aka a masterpiece steel buckler.
It has +95 hp and +6 resistance compared to the standard version.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Tholgar on January 11, 2011, 04:59:41 pm
Quote from: Freland on January 11, 2011, 03:05:02 pm
Heirloom upkeep is dependant on the price of the base (=unheirloomed) item.
Yes, so far it seems so.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Moofed on January 11, 2011, 05:06:38 pm
Heavy Rouncey
price 16023   
hit points 105 (+10)
body armor 22 (+6)
requirement 3
horse speed 43
horse maneuver 42
horse charge 28 (+8)
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Kafein on January 11, 2011, 05:45:14 pm
Original :

Knightly Arming Sword   6880   
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 31, cut
thrust damage 24 pierce

+1 :

Tempered Knightly Arming Sword   
price 10320   
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 33, cut
thrust damage 26 pierce
   
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Boss_Awesome on January 11, 2011, 07:15:41 pm
Balanced Sarranid Cavalry Sword 9554 weight 1.35
requirement 8
spd rtng 96
weapon length 105
swing damage 36, cut
thrust damage 21 pierce
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Leshma on January 11, 2011, 07:28:08 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 02:56:09 pm
Tempered Nordic Champion's Sword   
11763 (holy shit it's expensive!)   
weight 1.35
requirement 7
spd rtng 97
weapon length 102
swing damage 34, cut
thrust damage 23 pierce

+3000 cost for +2 damage seems a bit too much for me...

Ishar, don't be a noob. Upkeep is the same and I sincerely hope that's a feature and not a bug. If they change it heirlooming will become obsolete.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Joxer on January 11, 2011, 08:08:37 pm
Why is the heirloomed one cheaper? :D

Strong Bow   6580   
weight 1.25
requirement 5
spd rtng 63
shoot speed 59
thrust damage 24 cut
accuracy 96

Very Strong Bow   4277   
weight 1.25
requirement 5
spd rtng 63
shoot speed 60
thrust damage 25 cut
accuracy 96
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Diomedes on January 11, 2011, 08:59:48 pm
So if I loom my 1h warhammer (I have only 1 heirloom point) it will become slower but more powerful and heavy?  Does heaviness increase the chance of knockdown?  If it does become heavier and slower I don't think I'll have any chance against scimitars anymore.


This optional hierloom seems like a great opportunity that I don't want to squander  :D
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Freland on January 11, 2011, 09:48:20 pm
Normal War Cleaver
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 120
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced

Tempered War Cleaver (+3 Cut)
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 92
weapon length 120
swing damage 46, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced

Balanced War Cleaver(+4 Cut +1 Speed)
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 93
weapon length 120
swing damage 47, cut
thrust damage 0 cut
Can't use on horseback
Unbalanced
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 09:50:04 pm
Quote from: Leshma on January 11, 2011, 07:28:08 pm
Ishar, don't be a noob. Upkeep is the same and I sincerely hope that's a feature and not a bug. If they change it heirlooming will become obsolete.

Well afaik, upkeep is 5% of the base price. If the base price is up, upkeep is up as well. I assumed this is the case, is it not?
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Freland on January 11, 2011, 10:03:57 pm
Quote from: Ishar on January 11, 2011, 09:50:04 pm
Well afaik, upkeep is 5% of the base price. If the base price is up, upkeep is up as well. I assumed this is the case, is it not?

Base price of the unheirloomed item. I just paid 252 for my Balanced War Cleaver (5046 normal base price)
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Quamara on January 12, 2011, 01:02:18 am
once heirloomed


Bodkin Arrows
weight 3
weapon length 91
thrust damage 8,pierce
max ammo 18

Large Bag of Bodkin Arrows
weight 3
weapon length 91
thrust damage 8,pierce
max ammo 21
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Moscher on January 12, 2011, 02:51:06 am
GIVE ME ALL INFORMATION ABOUT HEIRLOOMING:-)

I will build it in crpg guide
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Diomedes on January 12, 2011, 05:49:50 am
Why can't an administrator just give out this information?
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Beans on January 12, 2011, 06:25:38 am
Fuck.

Just used my two heirloom refunds on my Poleax and this is what I got.

Powerful Poleaxe
Cost 6027
weight 4
requirement 17
spd rtng 88
weapon length 141
swing damage 44, cut
thrust damage 35 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield


The information on the first page is incorrect. I don't know about all polearms but this one went to Heavy -> Powerful. It lost speed in the first heirloom, and remained the same for the second. The cost also went down for some reason. The weight also increased by the same amount if it was a 2h blunt.

I think the stats on hierloom upgrades are fucked up because I don't think anyone would ever do this on purpose.

I would not recommend anyone heirloom the Poleax at the moment. Hopefully they can fix it :( I might have well bought a german poleax instead of blowing my heirlooms on this garbage.


edit: looks like it is bugged, I can't even use it in a battle. I can't select it from the item list in game, and if I set it as part of my default on the website it just doesn't show up.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: BD_SUPERBEAST on January 12, 2011, 07:11:51 am
Happened exactly the same to my german poleaxe,heirloomed it twice today and doesnt show.I posted it on another topic.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: EponiCo on January 12, 2011, 07:27:44 am
So are this the actual heirlooms how they are supposed to be or are they changed further?
Some way to check stats would be nice too.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: danrex on January 12, 2011, 09:01:23 am
Blunt polearm

-1 speed
+3 dmg

(Sucks a bit, when I herloomed my bec in prepatch it gained damage and speed... become balanced, not heavy)

Original Long Hafted Spiked Mace
weight 3
requirement 13
spd rtng 94
weapon length 138
swing damage 34, blunt
thrust damage 20 blunt
Knockdown

Heavy Long Hafted Spiked Mace   
weight 3.5
requirement 13
spd rtng 93
weapon length 138
swing damage 37, blunt
thrust damage 22 blunt
Knockdown
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Helrekkr on January 12, 2011, 09:23:45 am
Quote
Nodachi   10589   
weight 3.5
requirement 11
spd rtng 92
weapon length 125
swing damage 43, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback

Quote
Tempered Nodachi   7942   
weight 3.5
requirement 11
spd rtng 92
weapon length 125
swing damage 46, cut
thrust damage 0 pierce
Can't use on horseback

Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: NuberT on January 12, 2011, 11:57:10 am
Yeah the info shown on the heirloom page is wrong atleast for some polearms...

correct +3 modifier

Mighty German Poleaxe   10585   
weight 3.75
requirement 16
spd rtng 90
weapon length 131
swing damage 48, cut
thrust damage 33 pierce
Can't use on horseback
Bonus against Shield

so mighty +6 swing; +4 thrust; +-0 speed :(
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 12, 2011, 04:26:49 pm
ok it seems that poleaxes use axe modifers and polemaces use mace modifers.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lamix on January 12, 2011, 05:41:47 pm
You said you wanted another way to make the thread more useful could do it for every item using spoilers. feel free to use this however you want.

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If you think its useful I can write up more thats just example, thats if theres no simpler way of doing it and all items are different.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: ShinySpoons on January 12, 2011, 10:22:47 pm
Deadly Heavy Lance
weight 1.8
requirement 10
spd rtng 76
weapon length 190
swing damage 19, blunt
thrust damage 30 pierce

+3 thrust, +2 swing, +1 speed

In game its 31 pierce, so +4 thrust. While on website its only +3. Not sure which one is "real"
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Engine on January 12, 2011, 10:24:08 pm
I'm absolutely terrified of heirlooming anything until all this 'balancing' settles down.

Plus, without knowing what the 2nd gen of picks is, there's no way I'm taking a chance.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 13, 2011, 01:17:17 am
Quote from: Lamix on January 12, 2011, 05:41:47 pm
You said you wanted another way to make the thread more useful could do it for every item using spoilers. feel free to use this however you want.


definitely dont have time to do all that typing atm, got exams. but if someone else wants to make a better thread then we can just get my one locked.

imo its still useful to know roughly what the modifer does ie +/- speed/requirement/wieght, even if the exact amount of +damage is vague or unknown.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lamix on January 13, 2011, 02:56:30 pm
Well i can write them all up for you and stick it in a code tag and you can just post from there, i don't have a lot of time all the time to keep on top of it, i can however make it for all weps and then you just need to update it when new info comes in and can have another part with rough guide, better then having no idea at all.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Spawny on January 13, 2011, 03:35:34 pm
Can't you just open some txt file in the module and find it there for every single item?
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Helrekkr on January 13, 2011, 03:37:00 pm
If you're going to make a collection of all heirlooms you might as well use something like open office and make it a spreadsheet; much easier to keep track of and check.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lamix on January 13, 2011, 04:18:20 pm
Please if people could double check these figures with any you have, post ingame and webby details if there different please. will help a lot.
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Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 13, 2011, 04:29:44 pm
well gen 1 on flamberge and german are correct.

yeah you prolly can get info from game files if you can decipher this stuff, guessing thats what u did lamix.
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I guessing 88 is the speed, 18 the req, 54 the cut,, not sure where you got 27 pierce
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lamix on January 13, 2011, 04:38:46 pm
if i get chance this weekend i'll work on a list not sure it will be 100% accurate thats why i want people to double check with ingame and site versions.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 13, 2011, 04:41:53 pm
I looked in this file before thought I'd have to translate all these number but actually seems like you can just compare them just dont get somethings like I can see damage for below xbow. plus how did u get stab from that flamberge?

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itm_sniper_crossbow Siege_Crossbow Siege_Crossbow 1  crossbow_c 0  7405577 5637160960 17477gold 131082 3.750000 weight 100 0 0 93 15requirement 0 18 speed rating60shoot speed 0 1 326 0
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itm_imodbits_masterwork_sniper_crossbow Masterwork_Siege_Crossbow Masterwork_Siege_Crossbow 1  crossbow_c 0  7405577 5637160960 38449 131082 3.750000 100 0 0 96 15 0 21 64 0 1 337 0
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Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lamix on January 13, 2011, 05:16:45 pm
Check you're pm
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Thomas Dixon on January 13, 2011, 05:19:28 pm
Thick Gothic Plate with Bevor   21368   
weight 28
head armor 10
body armor 58
leg armor 22
requirement 16
      
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Beans on January 13, 2011, 06:17:39 pm
Quote from: Thomas Dixon on January 13, 2011, 05:19:28 pm
Thick Gothic Plate with Bevor   21368   
weight 28
head armor 10
body armor 58
leg armor 22
requirement 16

Holy shit that's like 10 grand cheaper
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Ardent on January 14, 2011, 02:46:37 am
Anyone know what balanced does for throwing weapons? I'd like to heirloom my snowflakes but im not sure what they do. I "think" they increase the projectile speed which is what im wanting.

Also, do you get to pick the modifier of the heirloom weapon or is it random.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Spawny on January 14, 2011, 10:00:03 am
Quote from: Ardent on January 14, 2011, 02:46:37 am
Anyone know what balanced does for throwing weapons? I'd like to heirloom my snowflakes but im not sure what they do. I "think" they increase the projectile speed which is what im wanting.

Also, do you get to pick the modifier of the heirloom weapon or is it random.

Random.

Balanced increases damage a bit for sure. I'd have to check for projectile speed though.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Phazey on January 14, 2011, 11:21:57 am
Spirited Steppe Horse   11065 (-1580  :lol:)
hit points 90  (+5)
body armor 14
requirement 3
horse speed 40 (+2)
horse maneuver 51 (+2)
horse charge 16 (+2)

Can't wait to see if the Champion Steppe Horsey is worthwhile.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Lamix on January 14, 2011, 03:25:49 pm
Quote from: Phazey on January 14, 2011, 11:21:57 am
Spirited Steppe Horse   11065 (-1580  :lol:)
hit points 90  (+5)
body armor 14
requirement 3
horse speed 40 (+2)
horse maneuver 51 (+2)
horse charge 16 (+2)

Can't wait to see if the Champion Steppe Horsey is worthwhile.
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,965.msg12268.html#msg12268
Check there i missed out the steppe somehow i've updated it now.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Engine on January 14, 2011, 05:41:00 pm
I heirloomed my Khergit Elite armor; it got the standard 2 pts. and also dropped about 6k in price.
Title: Re: The Heirloom Info Thread. (Post patch info needed)
Post by: Banok on January 16, 2011, 01:57:29 am
Quote from: Banok on January 07, 2011, 03:31:26 am
2. Heirlooming does NOT effect upkeep cost

edited OP to make this clearer, you guys seemed to not understand. if the hierloom is more or less base price, who cares?

anyway I asked paul/urist for heirloom info and he said: "Heirloom modifiers will probably change."

but after looking at game files I think what damage it says an item is ingame or onsite might be fairly innaccurate anyway.  :?
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: WSC_Sorokopud on January 18, 2011, 01:34:45 pm
So, repairing cost wont change after heirlooming an item?
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 18, 2011, 01:46:22 pm
yeap
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: Camaris on January 18, 2011, 06:05:51 pm
Maul -> Heavy Maul

Speed +-0
Damage +3 Blunt
Weight + 0.5

=> It seems Speed-Penalty has gone with actual patch.
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: Banok on January 19, 2011, 08:56:30 am
Quote from: Camaris on January 18, 2011, 06:05:51 pm
Maul -> Heavy Maul

Speed +-0
Damage +3 Blunt
Weight + 0.5

=> It seems Speed-Penalty has gone with actual patch.

yeah your right
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 19, 2011, 06:58:27 pm
Does anybody have information about heirloomed pikes?
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: Lamix on January 19, 2011, 10:06:34 pm
Quote from: ViiK on January 19, 2011, 06:58:27 pm
Does anybody have information about heirloomed pikes?
I'll be starting Polearms tomorrow on my thread, i will make sure pike is done.
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: ViiKOLD on January 19, 2011, 11:07:56 pm
Thanks man! There are was some info about balanced one, but somewhere in posts.
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: Engine on January 27, 2011, 10:37:25 pm
Removing the speed penalty for "Heavy" was one of the best things to happen to heirlooms!

I'm enjoying my Heavy Steel Pick very much. 36 pierce, baby!

EDIT: Banok, you might want to update the 1st page, as Heavy no longer carries the speed penalty. Also, I can confirm that a Heavy Steel Pick does +3 more damage.
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: McCart on January 29, 2011, 11:38:28 am
no more powerful maces?
Gen2 modifier is now scary , not powerful. (-0,5 weight)
Title: Re: Heirloom Overview
Post by: Belmont on January 29, 2011, 12:19:48 pm
Quote from: McCart on January 29, 2011, 11:38:28 am
no more powerful maces?
Gen2 modifier is now scary , not powerful. (-0,5 weight)

The website is still not completely updated so it shows wrong modifiers for a lot of weapons.