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Title: "simpel Question"
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 22, 2013, 11:56:11 pm
Well since i cant find a satisfiyng answer in the interwebz i just ask here since we got so many Islamic educated peopel in here..

Why excatly Moslems arent allowed too eat pork?

I heard that many peopel in the arabaic world(countrys) not even follow this "rule".
But since someone asked this question too me and i couldnt find an answer and decided too stop eating meat i got an interest in what is so special about pigs.
I know the DNA is quite close too the DNA of Humans and they ment too be intellegent Animals if they not got too live in the western Industrial Meat machine.
Also their are some Legends? about pigs were humans once upon a time.(like Odysseus  Saga for exampel)

any worthfull Input that is not stupid Spam?

Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Torost on May 23, 2013, 12:24:26 am
I am not a muslim, this is me guessing.

Pigs are considered "haram" (forbidden/dirty), it says so in islamic texts koran or haddith.
Since its in the book, well then its a rule if you follow the book.

Why? not sure.

It might have been practical, undercooked pigsmeat might contain a  parasitic disease Trichinosis, nasty stuff.
unlike other sources of meat that was available.
(might argue that there was not many pigs/boars roaming around in the desert)

Pigs anatomy and inner workings resembles humans close enough to swap some parts with.
But the DNA is not that much closer to humans than a snail or a bird. we share 99% .. with some interesting parts in the 1% differing.


Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Moncho on May 23, 2013, 12:32:28 am
I am not sure either, but I thought it had to do with the fact that pigs will eat anything they can find, and in desertic areas, where food is scarce, they might feed on whatever they can find, which might be in advanced states of decomposition or maybe even human corpses.

Also, don't they require quite a bit of water? This would be a problem where water is scarce.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Kafein on May 23, 2013, 02:59:31 am
I think I read somewhere there was a very practical healthcare reason. Pig meat could easily give you nasty diseases in hot weather.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: zagibu on May 23, 2013, 08:47:42 pm
They have no wood in the desert to make fires, so they can't cook meat. This means pig meat is out of the question. Only camel and goat meat matches their own DNA enough to be consumed raw.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Herkkutatti666 on May 23, 2013, 09:00:07 pm
PIG MEAT IS BEST AND BACON!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: donib on May 23, 2013, 09:13:36 pm
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But you will find lots of muslims ignoring a great deal of rules.

Consumption of alcohol, use of intoxicants.
Regarding alcohol, its has been made unlawfully in stages. Because we believe that the Qur'an was revealed and the prophethood of the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) also lasted 23 years.
So in the early years you would still find muslims drinking alcohol and pray while intoxicated, off course thats unheard of today.

You would also find muslims who do this and ignore that and appear a hypocrit, like people holding themselve above some one else. Or people who read the Qur'an, read a certain verse and go kill people in broad daylight in the streets of London. Ofcourse that isnt justified, they just have a lack of proper knowledge, imo.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Kafein on May 23, 2013, 10:12:55 pm
Is pork really that much more "dangerous" than other meats ? It has the best taste anyway.


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But even if we did not know about the harmful effects of eating pork, this would not change our belief that it is haraam in the slightest, or weaken our resolve to abstain from it. You know that when Adam (peace be upon him) was expelled from the Garden, it was because he ate from the tree from which Allaah forbade him to eat. We do not know anything about that tree, and Adam did not need to enquire into the reason why it was forbidden to eat from it. Rather it was sufficient for him, as it is sufficient for us and for every believer, to know that Allaah has forbidden it.

Then you go around talking about having an open mind
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: donib on May 23, 2013, 10:28:43 pm
Well the point is eventually that we hear and we obey.

But that goes all back to believing in 1; God 2; His revelations 3;His messengers.
These 3 are part of the 6 articles of faith. But then you might as well just ask why you believe in God, well those stories are long and everyone has his own personal reasons.
My reason, i dont think it is actually that crazy that there is an ultimate something behind everything, and there are a lot of agnostic people or people who do believe in some ultimate creator something.

Once you start reading the Qur'an, it seems very unlikely that it is man made, because of its style and it would never fit to the motives of a man. Once you truly believe that this is the truth and it actually is a message from the ultimate creator thing to its subjects, then you choose from free will to submit to it, and that is islam, that is definition of muslim. So you dont question why not to eat pork.

Everyone is free to believe in what he wants eventually.

I remember this video, explains islam in one hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjkCRlWTSzw
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: zagibu on May 23, 2013, 10:58:22 pm
Cholesterol is not per se harmful, it's an old myth, it's only a problem for people with heart diseases.

Pigs are only a carrier of the diseases you mentioned. If you have a clean pigsty and don't feed them crap, they aren't "unclean" and their meat can be eaten without problems. Of course, it's not really possible to meet the hygiene standards that are necessary for this in most countries where Islam is the dominant religion.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 24, 2013, 12:51:40 am
thx for the replys
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: SixThumbs on May 24, 2013, 09:34:09 pm
I just read that worms thing and I ate a piece of slightly undercooked baby back ribs yesterday, I'm wishing I hadn't read that now.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 24, 2013, 09:42:11 pm
Yeah Pork is a nasty thing if not cooked correctly.

I personally love me some ribs, bacon and sausage, but as a "cut" of meat that you cook over a flame, pork is pretty far down on the list for me.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Leesin on May 24, 2013, 09:50:18 pm
I thought it was just because they considered pigs as dirty animals that devour anything, including dead people.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: NuberT on May 24, 2013, 09:50:27 pm
You probably need to find out why jews don't eat pork, as the islam(same for christianity) is heavily influenced by judaism. Early christians didn't eat pork as well.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Son Of Odin on May 24, 2013, 10:09:48 pm
Hmm I remember that pig meat can contain trichina. This parasite is mostly common among carnivores like bears for example and that's why bear meat has to be checked before you can sell it or eat it. It's a nasty little thing that lives inside muscle tissue and spreads when someone eats the infected meat.

The stuff with religions don't have anything to do with the knowledge about pig meat we have today. This parasite thingy and pig DNA shit is obviously not related to why Jewish and Muslim people don't eat bacon. It's just one of these silly cultural things and superstitions.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on May 24, 2013, 10:50:16 pm
I'd rather be Jewish or Muslim and give up pork, than be Hindi and give up beef...

But then again I wouldn't have survived this long if it wasn't for alcohol, drugs and pre-marital sex.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Leshma on May 24, 2013, 11:00:22 pm
Hinduism promotes vegetarianism.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: zagibu on May 25, 2013, 03:16:04 am
Any form of religion promotes fluffyness and wambling. For thou must fluff thy wambling, ere doom striketh ye down.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 25, 2013, 04:14:26 am
well i choosed too be vegi because the Industrys are just discusting.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: the real god emperor on May 25, 2013, 05:31:25 am
Your Turkish aid is here!

We dont eat pork because in Islam, pigs are considered as dirty animals, they re swimming in their on poop.Seashells, snails are included in this rule.
But i ate pork, was so delicious :P
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: zagibu on May 25, 2013, 03:12:09 pm
Actually, pigs don't even like to shit in front of other pigs. Pigs are very clever animals, and they are easily bored in their small cages. Also, they have complex social structures, but they can't really live them out, because they usually have no retreating options. It is sad, but they literally go insane if they are held in large groups that are forced into small cages.

Pigs need a lot of space and freedom to move in groups of their own choosing. Something like this prevents them from attacking each other and living in constant stress: http://www.bioschwein.at/Bioschweine-Bauern.67.0.html
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Tigero on May 25, 2013, 03:15:14 pm
Religious people are a lower form of life, that's why...
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Araxiel on May 25, 2013, 03:43:58 pm
Your Turkish aid is here!

We dont eat pork because in Islam, pigs are considered as dirty animals, they re swimming in their on poop.Seashells, snails are included in this rule.
But i ate pork, was so delicious :P
You gonna burn in Hell.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 25, 2013, 03:55:31 pm
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Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 25, 2013, 04:27:00 pm
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Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Rumblood on May 25, 2013, 05:31:20 pm
You probably need to find out why jews don't eat pork, as the islam(same for christianity) is heavily influenced by judaism. Early christians didn't eat pork as well.

Because Jews, Christians, and Muslims all follow the God of Abraham. It is in the Old Testament. Only reason Christians say you can now eat because of the New Testament, which the Muslims and Jews don't believe in.

Leviticus 11:3 - Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.

Pigs don't chew their cud.

Read Acts 10 to understand why Christians say it is okay. That's on Peter's vision, but there is also another verse concerning burnt offerings that is also used, but I don't have time to find it.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Lars on May 25, 2013, 05:33:49 pm
well i choosed too be vegi because the Industrys are just discusting.


You can  chose to eat only meat/eggs of animals that are bred in free-range farms.

Actually, pigs don't even like to shit in front of other pigs. Pigs are very clever animals, and they are easily bored in their small cages. Also, they have complex social structures, but they can't really live them out, because they usually have no retreating options. It is sad, but they literally go insane if they are held in large groups that are forced into small cages.

Pigs need a lot of space and freedom to move in groups of their own choosing. Something like this prevents them from attacking each other and living in constant stress: http://www.bioschwein.at/Bioschweine-Bauern.67.0.html


I think  that eating pork is accepted in our society, probably also because pigs, despite being quite complex and smart beasts, they do not possess particular skills, unlike dogs and cats, that can be useful for humans .     
For example cats in the past  were considered  very useful (and still are imo) because of their natural skills in hunting rats/mice, which were the cause of many dangerous diseases, back in the days Venetians merchants used to carry some cats on their ships, to prevent that  rats could eat/infect/ruin the cargo and   spread diseases to the  ship's crew.

 




Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Count_Curtis on May 25, 2013, 05:36:34 pm
allahu akbar up in this shit
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: B3RS3RK on May 25, 2013, 05:47:16 pm
Religious people are a lower form of life, that's why...

And in calling them a lower form of life, how are you any better than fanatics?

I´d rather have a million more religious people on this planet than one more of your sorts.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Miwiw on May 25, 2013, 05:51:46 pm
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We really need a big war soon.. Otherwise future human get real food problems. :)
Not that we would care about that though.
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: SoA_Sir_ODHarry on May 25, 2013, 07:13:49 pm
and the peopel that believe in this Lie will hide like Rats in their bunkers.
I guess i need too get me some cats....
Title: Re: "simpel Question"
Post by: Henry_Broodsonson on May 25, 2013, 07:36:17 pm